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RE: After testy call Mexican president shelves plan to visit White House
(02-26-2018 10:33 AM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  Ohhh nooooo! The Mexican president doesn't like Trump?

Cancun is CLOSED.

No more Senor Frogs for ANYBODY.

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(02-25-2018 09:51 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 09:45 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 08:58 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Serious question -- do you guys really believe that spending over $25 billion to construct a partial wall along the southern border of the US is the best means of dealing with illegal immigration from Mexico (and Central America)? Do you believe that the best solution to the undocumented non-citizens among us is to "deport them all?" And to those claiming to be conservatives, do you feel those solutions best represent the principles of conservatism?
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.

Anything else?

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Thanks. I now feel enlightened. You can go back to watching cartoons now. :D

so you are trying not to come off as snappy on your previous post but take a shot at 200 for answering your questions? Hmmm interesting... 07-coffee3
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RE: After testy call Mexican president shelves plan to visit White House
(02-26-2018 12:29 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 11:15 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 11:08 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Since when does M,exico get to decide US policy. I thought the liberals were wetting thier pants because the feared Russia was attempting to influence our government. Now they are cool with Mexico telling us we must take thier citizenss “like it or not”? Odd.

You think libs want to stem the flow of their future voters?

It's not only that. There is a rather large financial reason for the Mexicans not supporting the Wall. Mexicans in the US send back to Mexico approximately $28 Billion in remittances each year. From what I've read that's basically the second largest US export to Mexico, behind only machinery. So, it's easy to see why the Mexican govt does not want anything limiting illegal immigration between the two nations. As always, follow the money.

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02-26-2018 05:20 PM
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(02-26-2018 08:55 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 10:29 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 09:45 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 08:58 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Serious question -- do you guys really believe that spending over $25 billion to construct a partial wall along the southern border of the US is the best means of dealing with illegal immigration from Mexico (and Central America)? Do you believe that the best solution to the undocumented non-citizens among us is to "deport them all?" And to those claiming to be conservatives, do you feel those solutions best represent the principles of conservatism?
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.

Before you spout off about what you consider a principle of conservatism, understand that when a patient in the ER is bleeding out, first and foremost is stop the bleeding and deal with any consequences of that afterwards.

Spend the money on the wall and deportation. Spend money to enforce US immigration law.

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Since I rarely spout, I will just say that your suggestion that as a nation we should act without consideration for long term consequences is very much not a conservative attitude. To be clear, I also believe that we should enforce US immigration law, but it makes little sense to me that for the better part of the last 30 years we have done a very poor job of it, but today we will draw a line in the sand and apply the law like a hammer to squash an ant in some cases. IMHO, there should be an intelligent response to the porous border to the south, the rampant overstaying of people on HB-1 visas and we need a long term plan for dealing with the 14-25 million undocumented people who are already here, including deportations and a rational permanent resident/citizenship path.

I have never suggested that we act without consideration for long term consequences. Acting without consideration for long term consequences is exactly what has been taking place since the amnesty granted in 1986. We've seen first hand what happens when upwards of 3 million people were granted amnesty without cracking down on illegal immigration and securing the border.

How can any intelligent response to a 'porous border to the south' not include securing said border? The Obama admin handicapped ICE, sent ambiguous messaging regarding illegal immigrants, and illegally enacted DACA knowing that once it was in effect it would be nearly impossible to do away with. Liberals everywhere that supported amnesty nearly wet themselves with excitement knowing that "Deferred Action" would most certainly become "No Action". Most simple solution to a "porous border"? Build a wall, increase patrols, increase penalties for illegals caught in the US and their employers. Amnesty, 'deferred action', or any other liberal policy that lets those that broke the law stay here is directly contradictory of any Conservative approach to border security and immigration.

Build a wall and it doesn't matter if Mexico becomes a failed state. The only reason they aren't a failed state right now is the 12-15 million illegals in the US.

HB-1 Visas should be a relatively easy fix. We know who those people are. We know where they are supposed to be, and know what business they were tending to in the US. Overstay a HB-1 and get deported in 24-36 hours and become ineligible for another HB-1 for themselves or family members for the next 10 years.

Lastly and most importantly, there can be NO CITIZENSHIP PATH for those that broke the law to come here. IF and ONLY IF they complete a lengthy application process with pre-defined and concrete criteria, can they attain some sort of resident status, but under no circumstance should they be allowed to receive the ability to vote, or receive full access to welfare programs. In cases where it's possible to verify that a kid came here under the age of 12, let's figure out a way to create a path to citizenship for them. A zero tolerance policy for criminal behavior, mandatory completion of high school or GED program, graduation from a trade school or apprenticeship program, proficient in english, and/or 6-10 years of mandatory military or civil service.

Thank you for expounding on what you think on the subject. There is much that I agree with in your post and I appreciate your efforts to give your thoughts on the issues. There are a few items in there in which we would have a different approach, but we are not as far apart on this as you may believe.

One area where we are in disagreement is your insistence that those who are currently in this country can have no path to citizenship (with the exception of those brought in who were under 12 at the time). Since those crafting policy for this group are certainly going to be at odds on more than this issue, I don't believe it is the place where I would draw a line in the sand and say "there can be no compromise." It is my belief that any policy likely to hold up through multiple administrations and have any lasting effect will necessarily be arrived at through compromise. It is fine to have a desired outcome as a starting point, while realizing that if a bill is going to be passed, you might not get the exact plan you want. No one should see how laws or sausages are made.
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(02-26-2018 09:12 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  I actually think he's one of the highest IQ liberals yet to post......

he sometimes asks decent questions while also trolling within the context.....

the boy's got chops with some fair questions littered within.....

While I appreciate the IQ comment, you couldn't be more incorrect in attempting to categorize me as a liberal. Like Thomas Sowell, I believe that liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face. I am a conservative in the truest sense.

This "boy" is over 60 years old and for all of my adult life have been a conservative Republican. Having lived all over the country in 11 states, I settled in Mississippi. At that time, the only Republicans I knew of here was a car dealer in Meridian, who kept running for governor every year and losing badly, and a local attorney, who would later be appointed to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals by George W. Bush, but withdrew his name after a slanderous filibuster by the Democrats. I have been elected to office myself, as a Republican.

While I have questioned the direction of the party over the years, I have never been more concerned than in the current political climate. Conservatism as I have believed it all of my life hardly resembles the thinking of today's group who claim to be conservative.

So while you might think of me as a liberal, I have to laugh and wonder if many who call themselves conservatives actually understand the underlying concepts of conservatism. It is not holding certain positions on an issue of the day or an allegiance to a particular person who is temporarily in charge. It is, however, an attitude about valuing the relationship between property and freedom, as well as moral order (a strong sense of right and wrong, justice and honor). It is a set of principles that recognizes that change is inevitable, but recommends that change be approached with measured caution. Conservatism is not militaristic or isolationist, but values restraint, prudence and diplomacy in foreign affairs. As a conservative, I don't hate the liberal or the progressive or the libertarian; I simply believe that his ideas are normally contrary to the good of our nation. Treating him as an enemy is likely to guarantee one and does nothing for his education.

I prefer to participate in discussions where there are exchanges of ideas, rather than what I see dominating this board. When I test my own beliefs while I engage others about theirs, I can still learn something.
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No Citizenship for Democrat illegals.
Lawsuit: 100,000 noncitizens registered to vote in Pennsylvania
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201...d-vote-pa/
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(02-27-2018 06:24 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  No Citizenship for Democrat illegals.
Lawsuit: 100,000 noncitizens registered to vote in Pennsylvania
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201...d-vote-pa/


Wait!

But we’ve been told repeatedly, this never happens! Least not in any meaningful way.

I mean, what could 100 grand illegal votes have changed in Pennsyltucky?!?

This is one of the worst kept secrets, since JFK, out there.

Round ‘em up, send em out.

Rawhiiiiiiiide!!!!!
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(02-27-2018 06:53 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 06:24 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  No Citizenship for Democrat illegals.
Lawsuit: 100,000 noncitizens registered to vote in Pennsylvania
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201...d-vote-pa/


Wait!

But we’ve been told repeatedly, this never happens! Least not in any meaningful way.

I mean, what could 100 grand illegal votes have changed in Pennsyltucky?!?

This is one of the worst kept secrets, since JFK, out there.

Round ‘em up, send em out.

Rawhiiiiiiiide!!!!!

And once again, Trump was right.
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(02-27-2018 08:15 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 06:53 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 06:24 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  No Citizenship for Democrat illegals.
Lawsuit: 100,000 noncitizens registered to vote in Pennsylvania
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201...d-vote-pa/


Wait!

But we’ve been told repeatedly, this never happens! Least not in any meaningful way.

I mean, what could 100 grand illegal votes have changed in Pennsyltucky?!?

This is one of the worst kept secrets, since JFK, out there.

Round ‘em up, send em out.

Rawhiiiiiiiide!!!!!

And once again, Trump was right.
That was Obama's first job out of college, registering illegals and dead people.
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(02-27-2018 01:56 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 09:12 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  I actually think he's one of the highest IQ liberals yet to post......

he sometimes asks decent questions while also trolling within the context.....

the boy's got chops with some fair questions littered within.....

While I appreciate the IQ comment, you couldn't be more incorrect in attempting to categorize me as a liberal. Like Thomas Sowell, I believe that liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face. I am a conservative in the truest sense.

This "boy" is over 60 years old and for all of my adult life have been a conservative Republican. Having lived all over the country in 11 states, I settled in Mississippi. At that time, the only Republicans I knew of here was a car dealer in Meridian, who kept running for governor every year and losing badly, and a local attorney, who would later be appointed to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals by George W. Bush, but withdrew his name after a slanderous filibuster by the Democrats. I have been elected to office myself, as a Republican.

While I have questioned the direction of the party over the years, I have never been more concerned than in the current political climate. Conservatism as I have believed it all of my life hardly resembles the thinking of today's group who claim to be conservative.

So while you might think of me as a liberal, I have to laugh and wonder if many who call themselves conservatives actually understand the underlying concepts of conservatism. It is not holding certain positions on an issue of the day or an allegiance to a particular person who is temporarily in charge. It is, however, an attitude about valuing the relationship between property and freedom, as well as moral order (a strong sense of right and wrong, justice and honor). It is a set of principles that recognizes that change is inevitable, but recommends that change be approached with measured caution. Conservatism is not militaristic or isolationist, but values restraint, prudence and diplomacy in foreign affairs. As a conservative, I don't hate the liberal or the progressive or the libertarian; I simply believe that his ideas are normally contrary to the good of our nation. Treating him as an enemy is likely to guarantee one and does nothing for his education.

I prefer to participate in discussions where there are exchanges of ideas, rather than what I see dominating this board. When I test my own beliefs while I engage others about theirs, I can still learn something.

Your principles of conservatism are well thought out and expressed.
Mine are much simpler. Less government, enforcement of borders and a strong defense. Basically what the founders spelled out in the constitution.
In this day and age it is accepting the lesser evil.
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