Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Trump Wants To Change SNAP
Author Message
hawghiggs Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,792
Joined: May 2008
Reputation: 124
I Root For: Arkansas
Location:
Post: #21
RE: Trump Wants To Change SNAP
UBI or Negative Income tax and just stop the shell game.
02-13-2018 01:24 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
miko33 Offline
Defender of Honesty and Integrity
*

Posts: 13,117
Joined: Mar 2010
Reputation: 848
I Root For: Alma Mater
Location:
Post: #22
RE: Trump Wants To Change SNAP
(02-13-2018 12:58 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 12:52 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 12:36 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I understand some abused the benefit, but I'd rather see Trump continue to focus on incentivising people to get off these things by working than making changes that further restrict those who really depend on the program.

People in genuine need of the program should not be forced to jump through a bunch more hoops to use it. If you need the program you are already very limited in funds, transportation and other areas. And the government has NO BUSINESS dictating what food choices people make just because they are poor.

So..It is OK for someone that gets $90 per month to spend all of it on a whole prime rib? I have no problem with them buying healthy value cuts of meat and seafood along with fresh vegetables and fruits. I do have a problem with the prime rib....that I don't even buy because it is too expensive. Should they not be forced if necessary..to use OUR money in a responsible manner?

I fully agree with your initial assertion BTW. We need to get people working and off assistance first.


This is big brother territory imo. If you are going to give them some funds each month then give it to them. Hovering over every item they purchase in an Orwellian fashion is going way too far. Surely there are much better ways we can go about it.

No it's not. The big brother territory is offering the safety net in the first place. If you need me to subsidize you, then I should have a say in what you do.
02-13-2018 01:29 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
hawghiggs Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,792
Joined: May 2008
Reputation: 124
I Root For: Arkansas
Location:
Post: #23
RE: Trump Wants To Change SNAP
How about the government stop paying farmers to not plant crops or force them to dump crops. So they can keep cherry prices up.
02-13-2018 01:32 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ericsrevenge76 Away
Jesus is coming soon
*

Posts: 21,606
Joined: Mar 2011
Reputation: 3293
I Root For: The Kingdom
Location: The Body of Christ
Post: #24
RE: Trump Wants To Change SNAP
(02-13-2018 01:29 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 12:58 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  This is big brother territory imo.


No it's not.

I should have a say in what you do.


Bless your heart.
02-13-2018 01:39 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Kaplony Offline
Palmetto State Deplorable

Posts: 25,393
Joined: Apr 2013
I Root For: Newberry
Location: SC
Post: #25
RE: Trump Wants To Change SNAP
If I'm the one footing the bill I'm the one deciding what's on the menu.
02-13-2018 01:58 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
miko33 Offline
Defender of Honesty and Integrity
*

Posts: 13,117
Joined: Mar 2010
Reputation: 848
I Root For: Alma Mater
Location:
Post: #26
RE: Trump Wants To Change SNAP
(02-13-2018 01:39 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 01:29 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 12:58 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  This is big brother territory imo.


No it's not.

I should have a say in what you do.


Bless your heart.

Nice of you to change the context of my post. Typical...
02-13-2018 02:07 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ECUGrad07 Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 12,200
Joined: Feb 2011
Reputation: 1261
I Root For: ECU
Location: Lafayette, LA
Post: #27
RE: Trump Wants To Change SNAP
1) Obesity is the biggest health concern in our country. Eating cheap, processed foods are a leading cause. It is an epidemic, and our healthcare costs are outrageous as a result.

2) Nobody seemed to be outraged for the past 8 years that our government tried to dictate to us what we could or couldn’t eat or drink.

3) It wouldn’t completely replace food stamps. It would replace a percentage of benefits. It also wouldnt affect all food stamp recipients - only those who receive more than $90.

4) Since it would be “American made” food, it would create jobs and get more people off of food stamps.

5) It could save the country $129 BILLION dollars over the course of a decade.

I don’t see anything wrong with people getting healthier, having more job opportunities, reducing people’s dependency on government programs, and saving the country billions upon billions of dollars that could be used elsewhere, or in the pockets of its citizens.


And before the libs come scrambling in and say "I thought Republicans didn't like the government telling people what to do?!?!?! Hypocrites!!!"
...

I don’t think the government should EVER force ANYONE on things such as the foods they eat, churches they attend, schools they go to, etc. People should be allowed to have a choice, make their own decisions, and live with the consequences.

The only thing about food stamps is - you’re getting money from the government. They are providing the money, they get a say in what you get.
02-13-2018 02:48 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
arkstfan Away
Sorry folks
*

Posts: 25,818
Joined: Feb 2004
Reputation: 967
I Root For: Fresh Starts
Location:
Post: #28
Trump Wants To Change SNAP
(02-13-2018 12:41 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 12:36 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I understand some abused the benefit, but I'd rather see Trump continue to focus on incentivising people to get off these things by working than making changes that further restrict those who really depend on the program.

Those that really need it will still get what they need. The lazy that don't want to deal with any increased inconvenience will find another way. I see the increased inconvenience as an incentive to get people off the govt dole.


If you have a permanent residence this is actually more convenient. Many poor people in rural areas have to rely on a friend or family to get a ride to the store.
Urban America it’s not going to be an issue of inconvenience it will be that your package disappears while you are at work or at the doctor


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
02-13-2018 02:52 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Kaplony Offline
Palmetto State Deplorable

Posts: 25,393
Joined: Apr 2013
I Root For: Newberry
Location: SC
Post: #29
RE: Trump Wants To Change SNAP
(02-13-2018 02:48 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  And before the libs come scrambling in and say "I thought Republicans didn't like the government telling people what to do?!?!?! Hypocrites!!!"
...

I don’t think the government should EVER force ANYONE on things such as the foods they eat, churches they attend, schools they go to, etc. People should be allowed to have a choice, make their own decisions, and live with the consequences.

The only thing about food stamps is - you’re getting money from the government. They are providing the money, they get a say in what you get.

I look at it like this: When we received a grant from the federal government there were often times requirements that we buy specific products unless we could legitimately justify buying another. Food Stamps should be no different. If they can legitimately justify deviation so be it, but if Uncle Sam is paying the fiddler Uncle Sam gets to pick the jigs that are played.
02-13-2018 02:55 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
JMUDunk Offline
Rootin' fer Dukes, bud
*

Posts: 29,498
Joined: Jan 2013
Reputation: 1721
I Root For: Freedom
Location: Shmocation
Post: #30
Trump Wants To Change SNAP
(02-13-2018 12:36 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  I understand some abused the benefit, but I'd rather see Trump continue to focus on incentivising people to get off these things by working than making changes that further restrict those who really depend on the program.

People in genuine need of the program should not be forced to jump through a bunch more hoops to use it. If you need the program you are already very limited in funds, transportation and other areas. And the government has NO BUSINESS dictating what food choices people make just because they are poor.


Then don’t accept the charity. Folks can always say no.
02-13-2018 02:58 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
WKUYG Away
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 14,148
Joined: Oct 2012
Reputation: 1644
I Root For: WKU
Location:
Post: #31
RE: Trump Wants To Change SNAP
Before foodstamps there was a program where you go to a government building twice a month to pick up your commodities. Depending on family size you got 1,2, 3 or 4 of the below

5lb box of cheese
gal can of Turkey
gal can of chicken
gal can of peanut butter
gal can of carrots
gal can of corn
I believe you got 2 dozen eggs

The problem with this is keeping it fresh once it was open. While the problem of a person not being able to eat one of these items was not a big deal back then. Food allergies are today. They went to foodstamp because of the abuse among other things (freshness).

I've said a few times on here that a couple times as a small child my mother had to get on government asst. It lasted a few months each of those times. Till my mother found a 2nd job. I believe the last time I was around 10 years old. To this day I still remember walking with my mother down to the green building on state and 8th street to help carry this back.

A long line of cars would be lined up around the block and you had a 2 hour wait to get your box. Now this wasn't bad food, actually, it was very good. It was so good that behind the building on college St you could sell that cheese, turkey, chicken and peanut butter. At times while walking pass it on the way home, all the parking spaces were filled as far up the street as you could see. Usually these were not used much. A wino could walk out with bottles of Wild Irish Rose, or kessler whiskey...2,3,4 depending on which items they sold. The rest a couple dollars a can for the chicken or turkey and I believe it was $4 for the 5lb block of cheese.

The commodities was the same food the army cooked and as I said it was very good tasting, But anything different would have tasted very good at that point....well at the end of the month. By then it was fried bologna or mustard and crackers sandwiches for the last few days. Back then you ran credit at the mom & pop store closest to where you live. But your bill had to paid up by the end of the month. Other than rent (tell you the truth...just as important) this bill got paid even if the heat got cutoff. Hell we still had a wood/coal burning stove just in case. Hell most people (at least those around us) still cooked by a wood stove.

Anyways, if someone wants to abuse the system....it will happen. While I agree with a lot of things this President has done, a few I disagree with his stance (drugs/forfeitures laws). This is something I think is 100% a mistake and will end up biting him and anyone that votes for it in the ass. For all of the abuse...there's many times more that use this program to feed their family and does right by what they receive. Only those huge families that abuse the system are getting the amount to abuse the system. Or those addicts that need their fix.

A family of 1, that old lady down the street, or around the block living off her $848 a month SS check is getting less than $150 a month in foodstamps. Now if her husband is still alive and the woman is drawing off her husband that total income goes up to $1272 dollars each month..as a couple they are getting $168 on foodstamps. That family of 3 with both parents working $10 a hour job is not getting stamps. Now one of them lose their job for a few months and that family of 3 is getting close to $300 a month in stamps....$10 a day to feed a family on. I doubt if they are buying steak or high end cuts.

I'm not going to do the research and find out but I would say the above makes up well over 50% of those drawing foodstamps. I believe the abusive use of foodstamps is less than 20%. With that I mean people getting them that sell them or buys high end items. The abuse will still be that high with any program that replaces foodstamps.

Also if we are going to do this to Americans, then there should not be $1 dollar sent to any place else in the world for food. You can bet your ass 50% of every dollar sent out of this country for to feed others is gone in the pocket of someone with in 24 hours.
(This post was last modified: 02-13-2018 03:03 PM by WKUYG.)
02-13-2018 03:03 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
VA49er Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 28,996
Joined: Dec 2004
Reputation: 949
I Root For: Charlotte
Location:
Post: #32
RE: Trump Wants To Change SNAP
(02-13-2018 01:39 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 01:29 PM)miko33 Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 12:58 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  This is big brother territory imo.


No it's not.

I should have a say in what you do.


Bless your heart.

He's right. Of course, the folks could refuse to take the charity, but that seldom happens. I'm not saying everything should be forbidden; however, there is nothing wrong with limits. These limits are already in place by the govt in the WIC program. I see no difference in doing the same with SNAP.
02-13-2018 03:04 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
JMUDunk Offline
Rootin' fer Dukes, bud
*

Posts: 29,498
Joined: Jan 2013
Reputation: 1721
I Root For: Freedom
Location: Shmocation
Post: #33
Trump Wants To Change SNAP
(02-13-2018 12:49 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  There is an argument to be made that...yes...those who give charity do indeed have a right to dictate what that charity is.

You are poor. I feel bad. I give you a pizza. You get mad and claim that you want a steak and that I have no RIGHT to dictate your food choices. Uh, sorry buddy.

That said, you also have a danger of government choosing people's diets, their exercise programs, and exchanging food for "proper" political behavior. Creating two-classes of rights. Food as a means of control.





Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk


Yea, that’s known as North Korea.

I don’t think that’s what’s being suggested here.

Sounds like once a month, twice a month a box of dry goods arrives. Probably include minute rice, breads, peanut butter, cheese slices, maybe milk, cereals etc. near everyone has refrigeration of some sort, and most products have a couple weeks shelf life.

This then frees up the other welfare credits or monies for other items the people would like. If they are otherwise responsible and stretch that dollar, then a steak or pot roast here and there I have no problem with.

It’s a floor, not necessarily a ceiling.
(This post was last modified: 02-13-2018 03:18 PM by JMUDunk.)
02-13-2018 03:05 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ericsrevenge76 Away
Jesus is coming soon
*

Posts: 21,606
Joined: Mar 2011
Reputation: 3293
I Root For: The Kingdom
Location: The Body of Christ
Post: #34
RE: Trump Wants To Change SNAP
(02-13-2018 02:55 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 02:48 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  And before the libs come scrambling in and say "I thought Republicans didn't like the government telling people what to do?!?!?! Hypocrites!!!"
...

I don’t think the government should EVER force ANYONE on things such as the foods they eat, churches they attend, schools they go to, etc. People should be allowed to have a choice, make their own decisions, and live with the consequences.

The only thing about food stamps is - you’re getting money from the government. They are providing the money, they get a say in what you get.

I look at it like this: When we received a grant from the federal government there were often times requirements that we buy specific products unless we could legitimately justify buying another. Food Stamps should be no different. If they can legitimately justify deviation so be it, but if Uncle Sam is paying the fiddler Uncle Sam gets to pick the jigs that are played.


I think buying a steak once and a while instead of 100 boxes of Roman noodles still qualifies as spending the money on food.

People hear a few stories of extremely stupid cases and then project that out to everyone, then get outraged and decide its better to strip ALL these people of all choice within in the program. Now the government has the power over what these people eat specifically simply because they are the poorest Americans.

Its also a straw man because its not the only way to improve the program, its just the most restrictive and controlling via big government.
(This post was last modified: 02-13-2018 03:09 PM by ericsrevenge76.)
02-13-2018 03:06 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
VA49er Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 28,996
Joined: Dec 2004
Reputation: 949
I Root For: Charlotte
Location:
Post: #35
RE: Trump Wants To Change SNAP
(02-13-2018 03:06 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 02:55 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 02:48 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  And before the libs come scrambling in and say "I thought Republicans didn't like the government telling people what to do?!?!?! Hypocrites!!!"
...

I don’t think the government should EVER force ANYONE on things such as the foods they eat, churches they attend, schools they go to, etc. People should be allowed to have a choice, make their own decisions, and live with the consequences.

The only thing about food stamps is - you’re getting money from the government. They are providing the money, they get a say in what you get.

I look at it like this: When we received a grant from the federal government there were often times requirements that we buy specific products unless we could legitimately justify buying another. Food Stamps should be no different. If they can legitimately justify deviation so be it, but if Uncle Sam is paying the fiddler Uncle Sam gets to pick the jigs that are played.


I think buying a steak once and a while instead of 100 boxes of Roman noodles still qualifies as spending the money on food.

People hear a few stories of extremely stupid cases and then project that out to everyone, then get outraged and decide its better to strip ALL these people of all choice within in the program.

It's not a few cases. I worked in a grocery store through high school and most of college and saw it multiple times a week. No need to think it still does not happen. I won't even get into all the folks that bought $300 worth of food with food stamps and then pulled out $100 for their cigarettes and booze.
02-13-2018 03:09 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
miko33 Offline
Defender of Honesty and Integrity
*

Posts: 13,117
Joined: Mar 2010
Reputation: 848
I Root For: Alma Mater
Location:
Post: #36
RE: Trump Wants To Change SNAP
(02-13-2018 03:06 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 02:55 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 02:48 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  And before the libs come scrambling in and say "I thought Republicans didn't like the government telling people what to do?!?!?! Hypocrites!!!"
...

I don’t think the government should EVER force ANYONE on things such as the foods they eat, churches they attend, schools they go to, etc. People should be allowed to have a choice, make their own decisions, and live with the consequences.

The only thing about food stamps is - you’re getting money from the government. They are providing the money, they get a say in what you get.

I look at it like this: When we received a grant from the federal government there were often times requirements that we buy specific products unless we could legitimately justify buying another. Food Stamps should be no different. If they can legitimately justify deviation so be it, but if Uncle Sam is paying the fiddler Uncle Sam gets to pick the jigs that are played.


I think buying a steak once and a while instead of 100 boxes of Roman noodles still qualifies as spending the money on food.

People hear a few stories of extremely stupid cases and then project that out to everyone, then get outraged and decide its better to strip ALL these people of all choice within in the program. Now the government has the power over what these people eat specifically simply because they are the poorest Americans.

Its also a straw man because its not the only way to improve the program, its just the most restrictive and controlling via big government.

No, that would not be why. The gov't would have control over people who CHOOSE to take gov't handouts. No one is forcing anyone to take WIC and/or SNAP assistance.
02-13-2018 03:13 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
UofMstateU Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 39,077
Joined: Dec 2009
Reputation: 3548
I Root For: Memphis
Location:
Post: #37
RE: Trump Wants To Change SNAP
If you dont think EBT abuse is rampant, I'll gladly give you the location of a kroger store in mid-town Memphis where you will likely get an EBT offer in the parking lot, 2 or 3 in the store, then another in the parking lot when you leave.

EBT's are atms for drugs.

Cutting back on the amount loaded on an EBT, and sending proper food, is the way to go.
02-13-2018 03:13 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
arkstfan Away
Sorry folks
*

Posts: 25,818
Joined: Feb 2004
Reputation: 967
I Root For: Fresh Starts
Location:
Post: #38
Trump Wants To Change SNAP
(02-13-2018 01:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  Well its only half that is coming in the package, not all of it. And because it is coming in a package, naturally, it doesn't include perishable items, which could be purchased with the rest of their funds. I think the evidence shows that these people are very weak at budgeting. If we are going to tell them what to do, maybe that could be one thing-a course on budgeting.

One of the ideas is that they are buying wholesale in bulk instead of the individuals buying at retail in grocery stores, so you can do the same with less $.

Still, I prefer the government do less, not more. Let the people make their own choices and live with them. But I do think a budgeting course may be a good compulsory thing in order to get assistance.

I’ve done home chef. They manage to ship perishable goods.
For all the I once saw someone buy a steak the fact is people on SNAP recipients buy less fresh meat, fresh vegetables, and fresh fruit than non-SNAP households. Presumably because the cost per serving is higher.
It’s easy to ship a five pound bag of rice but a five pound bag of rice is less than $2.50 retail.
The food pantry out our church is open one day per week about 25% is regulars year in and out. About 60% we see no more than six months and the rest no more than four times.
We are super popular when we have squash in late spring, fresh tomatoes mid-summer and corn in late summer.
We don’t get fresh meat often but it’s a big deal when we do.

I highly recommend anyone spend some time working a food pantry. Some people will confirm your worst fears and others you really hurt for.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
02-13-2018 03:15 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ericsrevenge76 Away
Jesus is coming soon
*

Posts: 21,606
Joined: Mar 2011
Reputation: 3293
I Root For: The Kingdom
Location: The Body of Christ
Post: #39
RE: Trump Wants To Change SNAP
(02-13-2018 03:09 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 03:06 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 02:55 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 02:48 PM)ECUGrad07 Wrote:  And before the libs come scrambling in and say "I thought Republicans didn't like the government telling people what to do?!?!?! Hypocrites!!!"
...

I don’t think the government should EVER force ANYONE on things such as the foods they eat, churches they attend, schools they go to, etc. People should be allowed to have a choice, make their own decisions, and live with the consequences.

The only thing about food stamps is - you’re getting money from the government. They are providing the money, they get a say in what you get.

I look at it like this: When we received a grant from the federal government there were often times requirements that we buy specific products unless we could legitimately justify buying another. Food Stamps should be no different. If they can legitimately justify deviation so be it, but if Uncle Sam is paying the fiddler Uncle Sam gets to pick the jigs that are played.


I think buying a steak once and a while instead of 100 boxes of Roman noodles still qualifies as spending the money on food.

People hear a few stories of extremely stupid cases and then project that out to everyone, then get outraged and decide its better to strip ALL these people of all choice within in the program.

It's not a few cases. I worked in a grocery store through high school and most of college and saw it multiple times a week. No need to think it still does not happen. I won't even get into all the folks that bought $300 worth of food with food stamps and then pulled out $100 for their cigarettes and booze.


And I stand in long lines at the store every single week and see countless people using a snap card and I don't see hardly any of these extreme cases. I see people trying to squeeze as much possible out of the card. I can see with my own 2 eyes the items in their basket and how they are paying.
(This post was last modified: 02-13-2018 03:17 PM by ericsrevenge76.)
02-13-2018 03:16 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
WKUYG Away
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 14,148
Joined: Oct 2012
Reputation: 1644
I Root For: WKU
Location:
Post: #40
RE: Trump Wants To Change SNAP
(02-13-2018 03:05 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 12:49 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  There is an argument to be made that...yes...those who give charity do indeed have a right to dictate what that charity is.

You are poor. I feel bad. I give you a pizza. You get mad and claim that you want a steak and that I have no RIGHT to dictate your food choices. Uh, sorry buddy.

That said, you also have a danger of government choosing people's diets, their exercise programs, and exchanging food for "proper" political behavior. Creating two-classes of rights. Food as a means of control.





Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk


Yea, that’s known as North Korea.

I don’t think that’s what’s being suggested here.

Sounds like once a month, twice a month a box of dry stalled arrives. Probably include minute rice, breads, peanut butter, cheese slices, maybe milk, cereals etc. near everyone has refrigeration of some sort, and most products have a couple weeks shelf life.

This then frees up the other welfare credits or monies for other items the people would like. If they are otherwise responsible and stretch that dollar, then a steak or pot roast here and there I have no problem with.

It’s a floor, not necessarily a ceiling.

Here's the problem with that list of food or any list....

the government is going to end up spending twice to three times as much for a can of corn as you get at discount market. They should be paying 1/3 of the cost because of the amount they buy. But we all know that's not going to be the case.

NOTHING the government buys, even in large qualities, are cheaper. Add in the cost of shipping and packaging and you will easily spend more money. The amount of people processing the people is not going down. Add in those taking off the top in the huge warehouses and the jobs to do this work....

it's costing more

If the government does this any labor job should have to be offered to a person getting this before anyone else. But in the end we are going to add another government program with tens of thousands, if not hundreds of government jobs
(This post was last modified: 02-13-2018 03:20 PM by WKUYG.)
02-13-2018 03:19 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.