The problem is that John Kelly screwed up on the Porter issue. Even Kellyanne Conway and others have said it was a mistake to even keep him on.

(02-13-2018 03:40 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The problem is that John Kelly screwed up on the Porter issue. Even Kellyanne Conway and others have said it was a mistake to even keep him on.

the worst aspect of this is the shameless use of alleged victims to forward a political agenda. The accusers are now abused and used. None of this is about justice or healing. Abused and used.

Anyone hear from Roy Moore any more

(02-13-2018 03:51 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Anyone hear from Roy Moore any more

Last I heard, there is an investigation going to be opened up about him in Alabama to look into the accusations against him. Too many people victims and none victims said so much about him.

(02-13-2018 03:12 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 03:09 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 02:53 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Let me clarify. The president can declassify and let people read. He cannot grant clearances. Typically people in a presidential administration have been in DC already and the clearances take 6 weeks. Problem is most of the staff never worked politics.

And the WH agency granting clearances =/= Trump granting clearances. F'n amature hour with RWT.

You're arguing semantics. The president has the authority allow anyone he wants clearance to read classified intel. It's just normal to have them be cleared by the agencies. However, the WH itself is the one who grants the clearance.

And by trump allowing him to read the material, he has in effect cleared him. The clearance is just normally gotten...in a normal White House that is.

See Executive Order #12968

Because most people have worked in politics. Do you not read or choose to be this obtuse?

I suppose you mean "not" worked in politics? So what does that have to do with the fact that they can't even pass a simple check? Not every administration used people who were exclusively in politics. I have no wife beating issues in my background, do you?

And what does it have to do with Kelly and Sanders lying their asses off...continually?

(02-13-2018 04:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 03:12 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 03:09 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 02:53 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Let me clarify. The president can declassify and let people read. He cannot grant clearances. Typically people in a presidential administration have been in DC already and the clearances take 6 weeks. Problem is most of the staff never worked politics.

And the WH agency granting clearances =/= Trump granting clearances. F'n amature hour with RWT.

You're arguing semantics. The president has the authority allow anyone he wants clearance to read classified intel. It's just normal to have them be cleared by the agencies. However, the WH itself is the one who grants the clearance.

And by trump allowing him to read the material, he has in effect cleared him. The clearance is just normally gotten...in a normal White House that is.

See Executive Order #12968

Because most people have worked in politics. Do you not read or choose to be this obtuse?

I suppose you mean "not" worked in politics? So what does that have to do with the fact that they can't even pass a simple check? Not every administration used people who were exclusively in politics. I have no wife beating issues in my background, do you?

And what does it have to do with Kelly and Sanders lying their asses off...continually?

No if they've worked in politics in DC, usually takes 6 weeks. Right now the number of people waiting on full clearances is about 700k.

Honestly Tom for you it would probably take about 3-4 months to get an interim and maybe another 4-5 to get full past that. Just rough guesses. That's been about the frame here.

(02-13-2018 04:23 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Honestly Tom for you it would probably take about 3-4 months to get an interim and maybe another 4-5 to get full past that. Just rough guesses. That's been about the frame here.

And these guys (Kushner, Porter, etc.) are going on what, 13-14 months now? And the WH was basically told back in mid-2017 that Porter was never going to get cleared...yet they continued to let him handle classified intel and then lie about it. Do you agree with the WH handling of Porter here? If so, that's troubling.

(02-13-2018 03:51 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Anyone hear from Roy Moore any more

Rumor has it he rode off into the forest on his horse, Sassy, never to be seen again...

...Some say they can still whispers coming out of the forest...

"....but she looked 18...."

"...but our attorney is a jew..."

(02-13-2018 04:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 04:23 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Honestly Tom for you it would probably take about 3-4 months to get an interim and maybe another 4-5 to get full past that. Just rough guesses. That's been about the frame here.

And these guys (Kushner, Porter, etc.) are going on what, 13-14 months now? And the WH was basically told back in mid-2017 that Porter was never going to get cleared...yet they continued to let him handle classified intel and then lie about it. Do you agree with the WH handling of Porter here? If so, that's troubling.

My understanding is he had an interim. Depending on the information he was handling, if he had an interim and his clearance had not been revoked there's no issue. If his clearance was revoked and he had just classified material he was handling, yes I have a problem with it.

Everyone seems to think that all info in the White House is Classified and above and I don't think that is the case. I could be wrong.

(02-13-2018 01:20 PM)Tulanefan32 Wrote:  The White House lies about everything. Doesn’t surprise me at all.

Even in a slanted rag like Yahoot "news", where is this lie? Silly article, tells us exactly nothing new.

(02-13-2018 04:45 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 04:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 04:23 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Honestly Tom for you it would probably take about 3-4 months to get an interim and maybe another 4-5 to get full past that. Just rough guesses. That's been about the frame here.

And these guys (Kushner, Porter, etc.) are going on what, 13-14 months now? And the WH was basically told back in mid-2017 that Porter was never going to get cleared...yet they continued to let him handle classified intel and then lie about it. Do you agree with the WH handling of Porter here? If so, that's troubling.

My understanding is he had an interim. Depending on the information he was handling, if he had an interim and his clearance had not been revoked there's no issue. If his clearance was revoked and he had just classified material he was handling, yes I have a problem with it.

Everyone seems to think that all info in the White House is Classified and above and I don't think that is the case. I could be wrong.

It's not. But in hearing from others who have held that position, they pretty much see every piece of classified information the president sees. The name of the position is not really indicative of the role. It's more of the top assistant to the chief of staff...basically one rung below Kelly. But someone who handles all the stuff for Kelly (and trump).

(02-13-2018 04:45 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 04:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 04:23 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Honestly Tom for you it would probably take about 3-4 months to get an interim and maybe another 4-5 to get full past that. Just rough guesses. That's been about the frame here.

And these guys (Kushner, Porter, etc.) are going on what, 13-14 months now? And the WH was basically told back in mid-2017 that Porter was never going to get cleared...yet they continued to let him handle classified intel and then lie about it. Do you agree with the WH handling of Porter here? If so, that's troubling.

My understanding is he had an interim. Depending on the information he was handling, if he had an interim and his clearance had not been revoked there's no issue. If his clearance was revoked and he had just classified material he was handling, yes I have a problem with it.
Everyone seems to think that all info in the White House is Classified and above and I don't think that is the case. I could be wrong.

This is one more symptom of the problem I've written about before. In the military, if you need a clearance, they do it by the numbers. You get an interim based on a quick records review, and you get your final when the full background investigation is done. The problem for politicians is that you get elected, and then yu take office shortly thereafter, not enough time for a background check to be completed. Perhaps more importantly, in many cases not enough time for you to be trained in the proper handling of classified material. And the same goes for your staff, many of whom are no hired until after the election. I would guess this was a big part of the problem with Hillary's State Department staff. I don't know of a solution, but this is a problem inherent in our process.

I remember we had a guy on my third class mid cruise from OU who was of German descent, family had escaped East Germany to Brazil, he was born there, then came to the US and was naturalized. He had gotten the full Navy scholarship and had an interim while his background check was being competed. Great guy. Next summer, second class cruise, he wasn't there. We asked the OU guys where he was, and they said his background check turned up too many relatives still living in East Germany, so his clearance was denied. His BI had obviously taken well over a year to process. And it was obvious early on in that process that there were problems. But he kept the interim until the BI results came back.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/14/politics/...index.html

It is about more than a now-departed White House aide, and has expanded to undermine the credibility of top officials, including Kelly, White House counsel Don McGahn, press secretary Sarah Sanders and her deputy, Raj Shah.

(02-14-2018 09:56 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/14/politics/...index.html

It is about more than a now-departed White House aide, and has expanded to undermine the credibility of top officials, including Kelly, White House counsel Don McGahn, press secretary Sarah Sanders and her deputy, Raj Shah.

The fact that the media and democrats are still focusing on this is just one more symptom of their mental illness.

(02-13-2018 02:07 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  They were basically told by the FBI months ago that he would not be able to get a clearance. Yet trump never gave him a clearance (which he could have) and he continued to be able to handle classified top secret information.

Remember when you guys cared about that when it concerned democrats and Hillary?

Remember when you didnt care about that when it concerned democrats and Hillary?

(02-14-2018 07:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 04:45 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 04:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 04:23 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Honestly Tom for you it would probably take about 3-4 months to get an interim and maybe another 4-5 to get full past that. Just rough guesses. That's been about the frame here.

And these guys (Kushner, Porter, etc.) are going on what, 13-14 months now? And the WH was basically told back in mid-2017 that Porter was never going to get cleared...yet they continued to let him handle classified intel and then lie about it. Do you agree with the WH handling of Porter here? If so, that's troubling.

My understanding is he had an interim. Depending on the information he was handling, if he had an interim and his clearance had not been revoked there's no issue. If his clearance was revoked and he had just classified material he was handling, yes I have a problem with it.

Everyone seems to think that all info in the White House is Classified and above and I don't think that is the case. I could be wrong.

It's not. But in hearing from others who have held that position, they pretty much see every piece of classified information the president sees. The name of the position is not really indicative of the role. It's more of the top assistant to the chief of staff...basically one rung below Kelly. But someone who handles all the stuff for Kelly (and trump).

You can view classified material with an interim. I believe you can view secret. Just nothing above that.

(02-14-2018 10:08 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 04:45 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 04:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 04:23 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Honestly Tom for you it would probably take about 3-4 months to get an interim and maybe another 4-5 to get full past that. Just rough guesses. That's been about the frame here.

And these guys (Kushner, Porter, etc.) are going on what, 13-14 months now? And the WH was basically told back in mid-2017 that Porter was never going to get cleared...yet they continued to let him handle classified intel and then lie about it. Do you agree with the WH handling of Porter here? If so, that's troubling.

My understanding is he had an interim. Depending on the information he was handling, if he had an interim and his clearance had not been revoked there's no issue. If his clearance was revoked and he had just classified material he was handling, yes I have a problem with it.

Everyone seems to think that all info in the White House is Classified and above and I don't think that is the case. I could be wrong.

It's not. But in hearing from others who have held that position, they pretty much see every piece of classified information the president sees. The name of the position is not really indicative of the role. It's more of the top assistant to the chief of staff...basically one rung below Kelly. But someone who handles all the stuff for Kelly (and trump).

You can view classified material with an interim. I believe you can view secret. Just nothing above that.

Hillary's maid got to see everything. Funny how the libturds dont have a problem with that.

Quote:White House lied about Porter.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman." Bill Clinton
"If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period." Barack Obama

♩ ♪ ♫ ♬ One of these things is not like the other ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬

(02-14-2018 10:29 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 10:08 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:53 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 04:45 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-13-2018 04:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  And these guys (Kushner, Porter, etc.) are going on what, 13-14 months now? And the WH was basically told back in mid-2017 that Porter was never going to get cleared...yet they continued to let him handle classified intel and then lie about it. Do you agree with the WH handling of Porter here? If so, that's troubling.

My understanding is he had an interim. Depending on the information he was handling, if he had an interim and his clearance had not been revoked there's no issue. If his clearance was revoked and he had just classified material he was handling, yes I have a problem with it.

Everyone seems to think that all info in the White House is Classified and above and I don't think that is the case. I could be wrong.

It's not. But in hearing from others who have held that position, they pretty much see every piece of classified information the president sees. The name of the position is not really indicative of the role. It's more of the top assistant to the chief of staff...basically one rung below Kelly. But someone who handles all the stuff for Kelly (and trump).

You can view classified material with an interim. I believe you can view secret. Just nothing above that.

Hillary's maid got to see everything. Funny how the libturds dont have a problem with that.

Got any proof of that?