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RE: Vehicle Death rates not improving despite safety additions to autos
(02-16-2018 03:26 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Back to the original post, I've noticed a larger number of people driving too close behind me, mostly seems like a lot of women doing that lately. If I had to brake fast they'd hit me for sure. I also had one of them tailgating me on a curved highway entrance ramp with lots of snow on the ground, and I wasn't even going slow. Seems like people just think they're impervious to harm.

I also think even hands-free talking on a phone while driving is too much of a distraction in some cases.

The rudest drivers these days seem to be young women. They are acting like young men. Too much Katniss, etc.?
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RE: Vehicle Death rates not improving despite safety additions to autos
(02-15-2018 03:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 10:36 AM)miko33 Wrote:  IMHO, this is linked to the uptick in school shootings and mass shootings in general - social media and smart phones.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/death-rates...1518692401

Quote:U.S. motor-vehicle deaths remained near decade-high levels in 2017, an indication U.S. roadways aren’t getting any safer, even as auto makers equip cars with more safety gear and many other developed countries make notable strides in reducing highway fatalities.

The National Safety Council said Thursday traffic-related fatalities hit 40,100 last year, the second year in a row the 40,000 mark was surpassed.

Motor-vehicle deaths had steadily declined in the decade leading to 2016. But a surge in driver distraction, increased miles driven and other factors have driven the closely watched number up at an alarming rate.

The data, which differs from figures set to be released later this year by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, comes as cars themselves appear to be getting safer. More than 20% of the 17.5 million vehicles produced for the 2017 model year were equipped with so-called Advanced Driver Assistance Systems, or ADAS, a suite of technology that includes adaptive cruise control, lane-keeping steering aides and autonomous braking that helps avoid collisions, according to WardsAuto.com.

Just two years ago, fewer than 8% of vehicles were equipped with those features, WardsAuto.com says.

Quote:Many automotive executives have recently pointed to the role of drivers' increased use of smartphones in making roads less safe. While analysts and government agencies have trouble tracking the specific impact that in-cabin distractions play in rising fatality rates, car companies are increasingly adding features such as better voice commands and blue-tooth connectivity aimed at encouraging drivers to put their hands on the wheel and keep their eyes on the road.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehi...S._by_year
There was a noticeable decline in 1981 with the increase in the drinking age. There was a steady additional decline from around 1990 to 2010. The uptick ( or at least the end of the decline) since coincides with a rise in the number of young people (the number of whom were in decline from the 80s). Of course, it also coincides with the usage of cellular phones.

When Dad was born the death rate was about 14 per million miles driven. When he was 20 it was around 7. When I was born it was just over 5, and was about 2.5 when I hit 20, when my son was born it was about 2.1. When he turned 20 it was just under 1.2.

We may be at the limit of existing safety technology to address human mistakes because a lot of those changes were engineering. Collapsible steering columns, crumple zones, seat belts (safety belts when I was a kid, my dad paid extra to get safety belts), airbags, ABS, etc.
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RE: Vehicle Death rates not improving despite safety additions to autos
I'll say this: I would hate to see what the fatality rate would be without the safety measures. Just in my career there's been a noticeable difference in wrecks where people were killed and maybe minor injuries. I recall one where a car went nose first down a sheer 15' embankment and they walked away.

The flip side is you also see that when it's your time it's your time. Had a double fatality one night in a car that did a low speed roll onto it's side after striking a light tower pillar in a KMart parking lot. SCHP investigation team judged the speed at 15mph at impact and both were wearing seat belts. Basal skull fractures in both, same thing that killed Dale Earnhardt.
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RE: Vehicle Death rates not improving despite safety additions to autos
(02-16-2018 06:02 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 05:16 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 03:26 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Back to the original post, I've noticed a larger number of people driving too close behind me, mostly seems like a lot of women doing that lately. If I had to brake fast they'd hit me for sure. I also had one of them tailgating me on a curved highway entrance ramp with lots of snow on the ground, and I wasn't even going slow. Seems like people just think they're impervious to harm.

I also think even hands-free talking on a phone while driving is too much of a distraction in some cases.

Some people aren't distracted, they are just stupid. Stupid should hurt. If anyone is tailgating me I just keep on keeping on and don't care about them. It's their choice to get mad and none of my concern.

If both of you would scoot your granny asses over into the right lane. No one would be close to you. 03-old


007, I understand you were on a ramp but come on admit it....you drive in that left lane going 65 in a 65 just to show those behind you who's the boss. VA49er basically said he does.

In a lot of states you do that **** you getting a ticket. In most states the left lane is used to pass. It's not the "fast lane to do the speed limit" like some people think.

Even if you are doing the limit or a few miles over....the law in these states state. You do not have ANY right to slow impending traffic. Not even if you are doing the speed limit.

Let me guess the red truck is one of you


https://www.yahoo.com/news/blame-tense-c...01983.html



Assume much? The left lane is for passing only. I was referring to when driving in the right lane. Anyway, the person going 95 down the left lane on the interstate is also stupid, but for other reasons. 04-cheers
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(02-16-2018 03:00 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 02:44 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 01:58 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 12:07 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 11:49 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Can't you apply this argument to Trump's travel ban then too? There has been no foreign born terrorist attacks on US soil from the countries Trump listed on the ban since 1975. The attacks that do happen usually come from people radicalized here while in the US. Even so, the vast majority of immigrants from the majority muslim countries listed will live their lives in peace without ever committing a serious crime. I've even heard that immigrants are much less likely to commit a crime than native citizens.

You mean the ban President Obama wanted? But to answer you question...no, there's a huge difference between taking away or limiting the rights of a US Citizen. Vs safety concerns from non US Citizens. One has constitutional protection. The other doesn't. Of course we are talking a few different things and not all 3 are constitutional rights

One other thing...the President was given this constitutional right to limit foreign travel. It has zero to do with past acts and everything to do with future. But again, did you have the same opinion when President Obama was for it this ban?

What EXACT ban did Obama want, and why did it not pass? Did he want to ban certain states and exclude other states which, based on history, are at least as dangerous, if not more dangerous (e.g. Saudi Arabia?)

Obama listed the same seven countries partly because two Iraqi men who lied their way past U.S. immigration officials and continued their terrorist-related activities after being admitted as refugees. They were making bombs to target American troops in Iraq. They were living in my home town, Bowling Green Ky when they got caught.

I'm not talking the time to look it up but I know all 7 countries were target by Obama. As for passing...nothing needed passing because....

"The exclusion of aliens is a fundamental act of sovereignty … inherent in the executive power," the Supreme Court said in 1950. And lest there be doubt, Congress adopted a provision in 1952 saying the president "may by proclamation and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens and any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrants" whenever he thinks it "would be detrimental to the interests of the United States."

Still doesn't make too much sense to target just those countries. I mean, if you want it to be effectual. It seems pretty similar to enacting gun laws.


So, you wanna expend the list?

Fire away! All in!
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A Massachusetts woman allegedly shot a driver for cutting her off — and bragged that she’d warned her victim, “don’t make me spank you,” on Facebook, according to local reports.

Graciela Paulino, 20, was nabbed in Lowell Thursday for killing 34-year-old construction worker Mark Devoe, who may have cut her off as he was coming back from his lunch break, the Boston Globe reported.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/18/woman-fata...-off-cops/

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I drive fast, sometimes too fast. The highest recorded speed my GPS logged was 129 and I think I was safe doing it...

flat, straight 2 to 3 mile of interstate that no one other than one car around and she passed me like I was doing 55 in a 70, I was doing 90 at the time. I could not gain on her doing the 129 and I broke it off because a hill was about 1/2 mile away.

I average around 50,000 a year just for vacations and WKU sports...

When someone passes me it's Women about 90% of the time and they are way more aggressive than men. From around Round Rock Tx to 15 miles past Austin is the worst drivers in the world. You have huge pickup trucks being driven by middle aged men and they are blocking the left land white knuckles doing 5 under the speed limit. I do believe those drives are why I've seen 1 to 3 wrecks in that section every time I drive it.
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RE: Vehicle Death rates not improving despite safety additions to autos
(02-18-2018 04:39 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  A Massachusetts woman allegedly shot a driver for cutting her off — and bragged that she’d warned her victim, “don’t make me spank you,” on Facebook, according to local reports.
Graciela Paulino, 20, was nabbed in Lowell Thursday for killing 34-year-old construction worker Mark Devoe, who may have cut her off as he was coming back from his lunch break, the Boston Globe reported.
https://nypost.com/2018/02/18/woman-fata...-off-cops/
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I drive fast, sometimes too fast. The highest recorded speed my GPS logged was 129 and I think I was safe doing it...
flat, straight 2 to 3 mile of interstate that no one other than one car around and she passed me like I was doing 55 in a 70, I was doing 90 at the time. I could not gain on her doing the 129 and I broke it off because a hill was about 1/2 mile away.
I average around 50,000 a year just for vacations and WKU sports...

It occurred to me when I was in China several years ago that their driving habits would be much more civil and less aggressive if they always had the thought in the back of their mind that one of the drivers next to them might have a gun. That thought seems to be something that generally tends to restore moderation to people's driving habits... all of that is not to excuse the idiots that actually pull out a gun over traffic issues.

(02-18-2018 04:39 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  When someone passes me it's Women about 90% of the time and they are way more aggressive than men. From around Round Rock Tx to 15 miles past Austin is the worst drivers in the world. You have huge pickup trucks being driven by middle aged men and they are blocking the left land white knuckles doing 5 under the speed limit. I do believe those drives are why I've seen 1 to 3 wrecks in that section every time I drive it.

The reason that I hate Austin-area Traffic is that you can count on drivers in all two or three lanes going at exactly the same speed, regardless of the need to do so. My brother used to complain about Houston traffic, but you'd have drivers in one lane going 50, in the other lane going 60 and in a third going 70. There was some order there and it was possible to go at the speed that you wanted to without really pissing folks off. I just can't drive in Austin without getting pissed off at someone.
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Yes, humans behind the wheel cause all sorts of traffic problems.
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(02-16-2018 06:02 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 05:16 PM)VA49er Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 03:26 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Back to the original post, I've noticed a larger number of people driving too close behind me, mostly seems like a lot of women doing that lately. If I had to brake fast they'd hit me for sure. I also had one of them tailgating me on a curved highway entrance ramp with lots of snow on the ground, and I wasn't even going slow. Seems like people just think they're impervious to harm.

I also think even hands-free talking on a phone while driving is too much of a distraction in some cases.

Some people aren't distracted, they are just stupid. Stupid should hurt. If anyone is tailgating me I just keep on keeping on and don't care about them. It's their choice to get mad and none of my concern.

If both of you would scoot your granny asses over into the right lane. No one would be close to you. 03-old


007, I understand you were on a ramp but come on admit it....you drive in that left lane going 65 in a 65 just to show those behind you who's the boss. VA49er basically said he does.

In a lot of states you do that **** you getting a ticket. In most states the left lane is used to pass. It's not the "fast lane to do the speed limit" like some people think.

Even if you are doing the limit or a few miles over....the law in these states state. You do not have ANY right to slow impending traffic. Not even if you are doing the speed limit.

Let me guess the red truck is one of you


https://www.yahoo.com/news/blame-tense-c...01983.html



Wrong. I go as fast as I think I can get away with. Usually that's about 10 mph over. If I'm on a highway and others are going faster than that, then I figure I can go a little faster. People I work with already claim that I drive fast. And no, I don't sit in the left lane - I get as annoyed as the next person by someone sitting in the left lane. It happens a lot in Illinois - I get the impression, when driving in Wisconsin, that more Wisconsin drivers will move over to the right lane rather than block traffic in the left lane.

I will say though, that if I'm passing in the left lane, and someone flies up to me and starts tailgating me right away, I WILL slow down to piss him off. But I also don't pass anyone going 1/4 mph faster than the other car, like I've seen some do.
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(02-17-2018 11:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 03:03 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 10:36 AM)miko33 Wrote:  IMHO, this is linked to the uptick in school shootings and mass shootings in general - social media and smart phones.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/death-rates...1518692401

Quote:U.S. motor-vehicle deaths remained near decade-high levels in 2017, an indication U.S. roadways aren’t getting any safer, even as auto makers equip cars with more safety gear and many other developed countries make notable strides in reducing highway fatalities.

The National Safety Council said Thursday traffic-related fatalities hit 40,100 last year, the second year in a row the 40,000 mark was surpassed.

Motor-vehicle deaths had steadily declined in the decade leading to 2016. But a surge in driver distraction, increased miles driven and other factors have driven the closely watched number up at an alarming rate.

The data, which differs from figures set to be released later this year by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, comes as cars themselves appear to be getting safer. More than 20% of the 17.5 million vehicles produced for the 2017 model year were equipped with so-called Advanced Driver Assistance Systems, or ADAS, a suite of technology that includes adaptive cruise control, lane-keeping steering aides and autonomous braking that helps avoid collisions, according to WardsAuto.com.

Just two years ago, fewer than 8% of vehicles were equipped with those features, WardsAuto.com says.

Quote:Many automotive executives have recently pointed to the role of drivers' increased use of smartphones in making roads less safe. While analysts and government agencies have trouble tracking the specific impact that in-cabin distractions play in rising fatality rates, car companies are increasingly adding features such as better voice commands and blue-tooth connectivity aimed at encouraging drivers to put their hands on the wheel and keep their eyes on the road.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehi...S._by_year
There was a noticeable decline in 1981 with the increase in the drinking age. There was a steady additional decline from around 1990 to 2010. The uptick ( or at least the end of the decline) since coincides with a rise in the number of young people (the number of whom were in decline from the 80s). Of course, it also coincides with the usage of cellular phones.

When Dad was born the death rate was about 14 per million miles driven. When he was 20 it was around 7. When I was born it was just over 5, and was about 2.5 when I hit 20, when my son was born it was about 2.1. When he turned 20 it was just under 1.2.

We may be at the limit of existing safety technology to address human mistakes because a lot of those changes were engineering. Collapsible steering columns, crumple zones, seat belts (safety belts when I was a kid, my dad paid extra to get safety belts), airbags, ABS, etc.

The flip side to this that a lot of people never understood about these features is that cars today "aren't like they used to be". You'll hear this all the time about the flimsy cars and how it's much easier to total a car in accident today that would have been a "fender bender back in the day". There has been a significant disconnect between the engineering that went into reducing fatalities and the "junk cars" that are built today.
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