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Vehicle Death rates not improving despite safety additions to autos
IMHO, this is linked to the uptick in school shootings and mass shootings in general - social media and smart phones.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/death-rates...1518692401

Quote:U.S. motor-vehicle deaths remained near decade-high levels in 2017, an indication U.S. roadways aren’t getting any safer, even as auto makers equip cars with more safety gear and many other developed countries make notable strides in reducing highway fatalities.

The National Safety Council said Thursday traffic-related fatalities hit 40,100 last year, the second year in a row the 40,000 mark was surpassed.

Motor-vehicle deaths had steadily declined in the decade leading to 2016. But a surge in driver distraction, increased miles driven and other factors have driven the closely watched number up at an alarming rate.

The data, which differs from figures set to be released later this year by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, comes as cars themselves appear to be getting safer. More than 20% of the 17.5 million vehicles produced for the 2017 model year were equipped with so-called Advanced Driver Assistance Systems, or ADAS, a suite of technology that includes adaptive cruise control, lane-keeping steering aides and autonomous braking that helps avoid collisions, according to WardsAuto.com.

Just two years ago, fewer than 8% of vehicles were equipped with those features, WardsAuto.com says.

Quote:Many automotive executives have recently pointed to the role of drivers' increased use of smartphones in making roads less safe. While analysts and government agencies have trouble tracking the specific impact that in-cabin distractions play in rising fatality rates, car companies are increasingly adding features such as better voice commands and blue-tooth connectivity aimed at encouraging drivers to put their hands on the wheel and keep their eyes on the road.
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Why did Andy always take Barney Fife’s bullet away. Dude couldn’t even keep it in his front pocket safely.
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Quote:But a surge in driver distraction, increased miles driven and other factors have driven the closely watched number up at an alarming rate.

While I agree that distracted driving is a contributing factor the bolded part above is why there has been an increase.

Plus the fact that with the economy struggling for as long as it did people tended to hold on to legacy vehicles longer than they would have in a better economy. You can add all the new safety features in the world to a car and they don't do any good if people aren't buying the vehicle.
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(02-15-2018 10:50 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
Quote:But a surge in driver distraction, increased miles driven and other factors have driven the closely watched number up at an alarming rate.

While I agree that distracted driving is a contributing factor the bolded part above is why there has been an increase.

Plus the fact that with the economy struggling for as long as it did people tended to hold on to legacy vehicles longer than they would have in a better economy. You can add all the new safety features in the world to a car and they don't do any good if people aren't buying the vehicle.

Legacy technology isn’t the issue. The percentage of cars with new technology is RISING, which means deaths should be falling. They are not. My guess is smart phone technology is likely a major culprit. Also, I suspect the number of drivers is also continuing to rise—which means—stable deaths is an indicator of increasing safety on a percentage basis. Thus, things actually are improving—though at a very slow rate. With GPS technology you can build phones that turn off the screen function when GPS indicates the car is moving making the phone essentially just an old fashion telephone. The problem is, I don’t know how you make it so the phone knows if you are the car’s driver and not simply a car’s passenger. My guess is autonomous driving is the next big leap forward in moving these safety numbers. That will also eliminate all DWI deaths—which remains a huge contributor to drivings deaths,
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I wonder if it will ever get to the point where cell phones are automatically temporarily disabled when the car is turned on and in gear?
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it seems that every driver I see on the road is staring down at their phone. distracted driving is a killer.
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(02-15-2018 11:24 AM)VA49er Wrote:  I wonder if it will ever get to the point where cell phones are automatically temporarily disabled when the car is turned on and in gear?

I think they'd have to find a way to distinguish between the driver and the passengers.

You could ramp up the fine for using cell phones while driving. Make it like $1000, and that might discourage people from pulling out their phones.
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(02-15-2018 11:24 AM)VA49er Wrote:  I wonder if it will ever get to the point where cell phones are automatically temporarily disabled when the car is turned on and in gear?

IMHO, it should get to that point. Exceptions would be to make a call via hands free calling and access to the navigation system on the smart phone. However, both can only be accessed via a touch screen.

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So it surged the same year my daughter got her permit... hmmm... Sorry folks.
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Cars used to be rare. Most families had one now most have 3-4. Oops my bad! Not families but “households”.
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(02-15-2018 10:36 AM)miko33 Wrote:  IMHO, this is linked to the uptick in school shootings and mass shootings in general - social media and smart phones.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/death-rates...1518692401

Quote:U.S. motor-vehicle deaths remained near decade-high levels in 2017, an indication U.S. roadways aren’t getting any safer, even as auto makers equip cars with more safety gear and many other developed countries make notable strides in reducing highway fatalities.

The National Safety Council said Thursday traffic-related fatalities hit 40,100 last year, the second year in a row the 40,000 mark was surpassed.

Motor-vehicle deaths had steadily declined in the decade leading to 2016. But a surge in driver distraction, increased miles driven and other factors have driven the closely watched number up at an alarming rate.

The data, which differs from figures set to be released later this year by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, comes as cars themselves appear to be getting safer. More than 20% of the 17.5 million vehicles produced for the 2017 model year were equipped with so-called Advanced Driver Assistance Systems, or ADAS, a suite of technology that includes adaptive cruise control, lane-keeping steering aides and autonomous braking that helps avoid collisions, according to WardsAuto.com.

Just two years ago, fewer than 8% of vehicles were equipped with those features, WardsAuto.com says.

Quote:Many automotive executives have recently pointed to the role of drivers' increased use of smartphones in making roads less safe. While analysts and government agencies have trouble tracking the specific impact that in-cabin distractions play in rising fatality rates, car companies are increasingly adding features such as better voice commands and blue-tooth connectivity aimed at encouraging drivers to put their hands on the wheel and keep their eyes on the road.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehi...S._by_year
There was a noticeable decline in 1981 with the increase in the drinking age. There was a steady additional decline from around 1990 to 2010. The uptick ( or at least the end of the decline) since coincides with a rise in the number of young people (the number of whom were in decline from the 80s). Of course, it also coincides with the usage of cellular phones.
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Autonomous vehicles are the answer.
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(02-15-2018 11:18 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 10:50 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
Quote:But a surge in driver distraction, increased miles driven and other factors have driven the closely watched number up at an alarming rate.

While I agree that distracted driving is a contributing factor the bolded part above is why there has been an increase.

Plus the fact that with the economy struggling for as long as it did people tended to hold on to legacy vehicles longer than they would have in a better economy. You can add all the new safety features in the world to a car and they don't do any good if people aren't buying the vehicle.

Legacy technology isn’t the issue. The percentage of cars with new technology is RISING, which means deaths should be falling. They are not. My guess is smart phone technology is likely a major culprit. Also, I suspect the number of drivers is also continuing to rise—which means—stable deaths is an indicator of increasing safety on a percentage basis. Thus, things actually are improving—though at a very slow rate. With GPS technology you can build phones that turn off the screen function when GPS indicates the car is moving making the phone essentially just an old fashion telephone. The problem is, I don’t know how you make it so the phone knows if you are the car’s driver and not simply a car’s passenger. My guess is autonomous driving is the next big leap forward is moving these safety numbers. That will also eliminate all DWI deaths—which remains a huge contributor to drivings deaths,

My wife's car's oxygen sensors have been replaced 6 times in 12 years, including the first within 6 months. The Mass Airflow Sensor as also been replaced several times and there are constant electrical issues due to corrosion. My current vehicle need the knock sensors replaced. What happens when a side collision prevention sensor goes out or a wire snaps after going over a pothole at 60 mph. No way this is the future and no way in hell will I ever get in one of those death traps. I'd rather get in the car with a drunk driver.
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(02-15-2018 03:19 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Autonomous vehicles are the answer.

I listened to a Radiolab podcast a few months ago that brought up an interesting problem with autonomous vehicles. They began by discussing the trolley problem, a thought experiment in which there's a runaway trolley going down a track towards a group of five people standing on the track. You're standing next to a lever that can divert the trolley down another path that only has one person standing on it. So you can A) Do nothing and five people die; or B) Pull the lever diverting the trolley and one person dies. Most people would choose to pull the lever to save the five people at the expense of the one.

Another thought experiment imagines a scenario where, once again, there's a runaway trolley going down a track headed toward five people standing on the track. Except this time you're standing on a bridge above the track and there's a very large man standing at the edge of the bridge. You can either A) Do nothing and five people die; or B) Push the large man causing him to fall to his death, stopping the trolley but saving the five people. People have a much more difficult time answering this question, as it requires you to kill that person yourself.

Now applying this dilemma to driver-less vehicles, someone will have to program these vehicles to make certain hard decisions. For instance, say a cyclist loses control of his bike and veers out in front of your autonomous car. The car can either A) continue along its path and have a 95% chance at hitting the cyclist; or B) veer out of the way but have a 25% chance at hitting a family of four walking along the sidewalk.

I think automation will end up saving millions of lives, but there will be some interesting ethical aspects involved in programming the cars that I don't think a lot of people consider.
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(02-15-2018 03:37 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 11:18 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 10:50 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
Quote:But a surge in driver distraction, increased miles driven and other factors have driven the closely watched number up at an alarming rate.

While I agree that distracted driving is a contributing factor the bolded part above is why there has been an increase.

Plus the fact that with the economy struggling for as long as it did people tended to hold on to legacy vehicles longer than they would have in a better economy. You can add all the new safety features in the world to a car and they don't do any good if people aren't buying the vehicle.

Legacy technology isn’t the issue. The percentage of cars with new technology is RISING, which means deaths should be falling. They are not. My guess is smart phone technology is likely a major culprit. Also, I suspect the number of drivers is also continuing to rise—which means—stable deaths is an indicator of increasing safety on a percentage basis. Thus, things actually are improving—though at a very slow rate. With GPS technology you can build phones that turn off the screen function when GPS indicates the car is moving making the phone essentially just an old fashion telephone. The problem is, I don’t know how you make it so the phone knows if you are the car’s driver and not simply a car’s passenger. My guess is autonomous driving is the next big leap forward is moving these safety numbers. That will also eliminate all DWI deaths—which remains a huge contributor to drivings deaths,

My wife's car's oxygen sensors have been replaced 6 times in 12 years, including the first within 6 months. The Mass Airflow Sensor as also been replaced several times and there are constant electrical issues due to corrosion. My current vehicle need the knock sensors replaced. What happens when a side collision prevention sensor goes out or a wire snaps after going over a pothole at 60 mph. No way this is the future and no way in hell will I ever get in one of those death traps. I'd rather get in the car with a drunk driver.

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(02-15-2018 07:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 03:37 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 11:18 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 10:50 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
Quote:But a surge in driver distraction, increased miles driven and other factors have driven the closely watched number up at an alarming rate.

While I agree that distracted driving is a contributing factor the bolded part above is why there has been an increase.

Plus the fact that with the economy struggling for as long as it did people tended to hold on to legacy vehicles longer than they would have in a better economy. You can add all the new safety features in the world to a car and they don't do any good if people aren't buying the vehicle.

Legacy technology isn’t the issue. The percentage of cars with new technology is RISING, which means deaths should be falling. They are not. My guess is smart phone technology is likely a major culprit. Also, I suspect the number of drivers is also continuing to rise—which means—stable deaths is an indicator of increasing safety on a percentage basis. Thus, things actually are improving—though at a very slow rate. With GPS technology you can build phones that turn off the screen function when GPS indicates the car is moving making the phone essentially just an old fashion telephone. The problem is, I don’t know how you make it so the phone knows if you are the car’s driver and not simply a car’s passenger. My guess is autonomous driving is the next big leap forward is moving these safety numbers. That will also eliminate all DWI deaths—which remains a huge contributor to drivings deaths,

My wife's car's oxygen sensors have been replaced 6 times in 12 years, including the first within 6 months. The Mass Airflow Sensor as also been replaced several times and there are constant electrical issues due to corrosion. My current vehicle need the knock sensors replaced. What happens when a side collision prevention sensor goes out or a wire snaps after going over a pothole at 60 mph. No way this is the future and no way in hell will I ever get in one of those death traps. I'd rather get in the car with a drunk driver.

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(02-15-2018 07:39 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 07:36 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 03:37 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 11:18 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 10:50 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  While I agree that distracted driving is a contributing factor the bolded part above is why there has been an increase.

Plus the fact that with the economy struggling for as long as it did people tended to hold on to legacy vehicles longer than they would have in a better economy. You can add all the new safety features in the world to a car and they don't do any good if people aren't buying the vehicle.

Legacy technology isn’t the issue. The percentage of cars with new technology is RISING, which means deaths should be falling. They are not. My guess is smart phone technology is likely a major culprit. Also, I suspect the number of drivers is also continuing to rise—which means—stable deaths is an indicator of increasing safety on a percentage basis. Thus, things actually are improving—though at a very slow rate. With GPS technology you can build phones that turn off the screen function when GPS indicates the car is moving making the phone essentially just an old fashion telephone. The problem is, I don’t know how you make it so the phone knows if you are the car’s driver and not simply a car’s passenger. My guess is autonomous driving is the next big leap forward is moving these safety numbers. That will also eliminate all DWI deaths—which remains a huge contributor to drivings deaths,

My wife's car's oxygen sensors have been replaced 6 times in 12 years, including the first within 6 months. The Mass Airflow Sensor as also been replaced several times and there are constant electrical issues due to corrosion. My current vehicle need the knock sensors replaced. What happens when a side collision prevention sensor goes out or a wire snaps after going over a pothole at 60 mph. No way this is the future and no way in hell will I ever get in one of those death traps. I'd rather get in the car with a drunk driver.

I'm more concerned about hacking
At least then OJ could have killed Nicole and blamed the Russians.

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More likely the Chinese. They'd be the ones building spare fenders and other parts.
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Vehicles are also a lot faster and more powerful.

And, let’s face it, tires are little changed in the last 20 years with the exception of performance tires.

Today’s more efficient and powerful cars are rolling around on the same low wear rocks they were in 2000 for the most part. The OEMs just cheap out on tires.

Today’s vehicles also have a lot more in the way of distractions.
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(02-15-2018 11:24 AM)VA49er Wrote:  I wonder if it will ever get to the point where cell phones are automatically temporarily disabled when the car is turned on and in gear?

I believe in negative reinforcement. We have breath monitoring devices for blood alcohol levels. Now we just need to install a taser in the drivers back rest so that when a cell phone is activated the engine switches off, the emergency flashers switch on, and the driver is tased and an automatic sensor steers the vehicle to the side of the road. Then all the police have to do is stop and pick up the driver.

It punishes the guilty and gives a perverse pleasure to the more alert motorists. 04-cheers
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What's the big deal? This is about like drug overdose deaths. When you consider the amount of drivers and miles drove and the amount of drugs and people taking them.....

it's such a tiny tiny %

Those that do die is tragic to their family and friends but again...part of life and considering the total people driving. It's about as common as reaching into a gallon jar of jelly beans and picking out the 1 red jellybean. Or maybe a 5 gallon bucket and 1 red jellybean

Part of life and to be honest without people dying of other causes but old age. This planet would correct it with just as many deaths...in other ways.

Now maybe I'm wrong on this but I believe safety features are put on cars to limit cost of injuries and not so much death.
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