Yes, of course, they are just stupid.

It couldn’t possibly be that the political class never really understood their real priorities.

(02-17-2018 11:03 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Yes, of course, they are just stupid.

It couldn’t possibly be that the political class never really understood their real priorities.

No kidding.

What a surprise that the political elites - you know, the pigs that are more equal than the others - don't know what's important to the little people.

What a surprise.........

(02-16-2018 11:09 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 11:05 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I would argue they knew exactly who he is and what he is. They shook hands with the devil because he agreed to promote several of their pet agenda items (anti abortion, conservative Supreme court justice). The supreme court justice in particular was/is important because with one more on board they can control the "political activism" they so despise in liberals and turn it to their favor. It's part of a more long range plan and Trump is only a piece of the puzzle.

Seems to me the larger question still to be answered is what if any price evangelicals will pay for this pragmatic association with a man so obviously morally bankrupt.

Paraphrase: What profitith a man to gain the world if he loses his soul? Religion that becomes to closely involved in politics is ultimately a losing hand.

This is easy.

It's more a matter of people weighing choices with an understanding that no one gets everything they want. Those folks looked at the choices and decided to live with some things they didn't like because they determined that another choice was even less palatable....

They had umpteen choices for a ® nominee and chose the most morally bankrupt one. No way Jesus would cast a vote for the man.

(02-18-2018 07:31 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 11:09 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 11:05 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I would argue they knew exactly who he is and what he is. They shook hands with the devil because he agreed to promote several of their pet agenda items (anti abortion, conservative Supreme court justice). The supreme court justice in particular was/is important because with one more on board they can control the "political activism" they so despise in liberals and turn it to their favor. It's part of a more long range plan and Trump is only a piece of the puzzle.

Seems to me the larger question still to be answered is what if any price evangelicals will pay for this pragmatic association with a man so obviously morally bankrupt.

Paraphrase: What profitith a man to gain the world if he loses his soul? Religion that becomes to closely involved in politics is ultimately a losing hand.

This is easy.

It's more a matter of people weighing choices with an understanding that no one gets everything they want. Those folks looked at the choices and decided to live with some things they didn't like because they determined that another choice was even less palatable....

They had umpteen choices for a ® nominee and chose the most morally bankrupt one. No way Jesus would cast a vote for the man.

So now you speak for Jesus...

Wow. The bloated ego.


May wanna "step back". jus' sayin'.

They chose morally dubious Trump over that "wicked woman" Hillary. Seems like an easy choice.

(02-18-2018 07:31 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 11:09 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 11:05 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I would argue they knew exactly who he is and what he is. They shook hands with the devil because he agreed to promote several of their pet agenda items (anti abortion, conservative Supreme court justice). The supreme court justice in particular was/is important because with one more on board they can control the "political activism" they so despise in liberals and turn it to their favor. It's part of a more long range plan and Trump is only a piece of the puzzle.

Seems to me the larger question still to be answered is what if any price evangelicals will pay for this pragmatic association with a man so obviously morally bankrupt.

Paraphrase: What profitith a man to gain the world if he loses his soul? Religion that becomes to closely involved in politics is ultimately a losing hand.

This is easy.

It's more a matter of people weighing choices with an understanding that no one gets everything they want. Those folks looked at the choices and decided to live with some things they didn't like because they determined that another choice was even less palatable....

They had umpteen choices for a ® nominee and chose the most morally bankrupt one. No way Jesus would cast a vote for the man.

If you go and look at the Republican primary voting results, you will see that Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio had strong results in states considered part of the Bible Belt. That indicates that for evangelicals, Trump likely wasn't their top choice.

It wasn't until he eventually won and the Democrats coronated crooked Hillary that the evangelicals chose Trump.

He wouldn't choose Hillary either.

(02-18-2018 07:31 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  They had umpteen choices for a ® nominee and chose the most morally bankrupt one. No way Jesus would cast a vote for the man.

When they had umpteen choices, they voted for one of the others. When it came down to Trump or Hillary, they voted for what they believed to be the lesser evil.

(02-18-2018 08:04 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 07:31 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  They had umpteen choices for a ® nominee and chose the most morally bankrupt one. No way Jesus would cast a vote for the man.

When they had umpteen choices, they voted for one of the others. When it came down to Trump or Hillary, they voted for what they believed to be the lesser evil.

Yup.

which interestingly will be studied for decades as to how a vast and varied field of career or semi-career pols all fell short to an outsider, newcomer.

I've been arguing politics (politely for the most part) since around 3rd grade, 1974, then Ford/Carter, I guess, with my friend Tom. Got a pretty good schooling on the topics and foundations after 7 years of "Higher Ed" as well.

Worked in, on, outside many campaigns since then, including Bubba's, W's and varied others, local and national.

NEVER seen this coming, til I watched a confluence of what took place.

First road sign was the Brexit vote. WHAT?!? They voted for what? Soon as I heard/read that, early Summer '16 I think, I thought damn. This may well be Ross Perot writ large.

This rather crazy, gold leafed, orange-haired orangutan may have a real shot. Ann Coulter called it right out of the box. Bully on her.

I've got no "love" (OP) for the guy, but he's a DAMN choice cut above what we were otherwise offered.

Vote for him over Her> again tomorrow...

(02-18-2018 08:34 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 08:04 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 07:31 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  They had umpteen choices for a ® nominee and chose the most morally bankrupt one. No way Jesus would cast a vote for the man.

When they had umpteen choices, they voted for one of the others. When it came down to Trump or Hillary, they voted for what they believed to be the lesser evil.

Yup.

which interestingly will be studied for decades as to how a vast and varied field of career or semi-career pols all fell short to an outsider, newcomer.

I've been arguing politics (politely for the most part) since around 3rd grade, 1974, then Ford/Carter, I guess, with my friend Tom. Got a pretty good schooling on the topics and foundations after 7 years of "Higher Ed" as well.

Worked in, on, outside many campaigns since then, including Bubba's, W's and varied others, local and national.

NEVER seen this coming, til I watched a confluence of what took place.

First road sign was the Brexit vote. WHAT?!? They voted for what? Soon as I heard/read that, early Summer '16 I think, I thought damn. This may well be Ross Perot writ large.

This rather crazy, gold leafed, orange-haired orangutan may have a real shot. Ann Coulter called it right out of the box. Bully on her.

I've got no "love" (OP) for the guy, but he's a DAMN choice cut above what we were otherwise offered.

Vote for him over Her> again tomorrow...

Yep. I'd choose Trump over Hillary all over again and twice on Sunday.

What the Democrats seem still unable to realize is that Trump being president is easily as much their fault as the Republicans. I mean, THEY chose to all but coronate about the most unlikeable, sleazy candidate they could........and then throw a fit when the American people reject their sh!tty choice. Duh.

(02-18-2018 08:45 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 08:34 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 08:04 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 07:31 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  They had umpteen choices for a ® nominee and chose the most morally bankrupt one. No way Jesus would cast a vote for the man.

When they had umpteen choices, they voted for one of the others. When it came down to Trump or Hillary, they voted for what they believed to be the lesser evil.

Yup.

which interestingly will be studied for decades as to how a vast and varied field of career or semi-career pols all fell short to an outsider, newcomer.

I've been arguing politics (politely for the most part) since around 3rd grade, 1974, then Ford/Carter, I guess, with my friend Tom. Got a pretty good schooling on the topics and foundations after 7 years of "Higher Ed" as well.

Worked in, on, outside many campaigns since then, including Bubba's, W's and varied others, local and national.

NEVER seen this coming, til I watched a confluence of what took place.

First road sign was the Brexit vote. WHAT?!? They voted for what? Soon as I heard/read that, early Summer '16 I think, I thought damn. This may well be Ross Perot writ large.

This rather crazy, gold leafed, orange-haired orangutan may have a real shot. Ann Coulter called it right out of the box. Bully on her.

I've got no "love" (OP) for the guy, but he's a DAMN choice cut above what we were otherwise offered.

Vote for him over Her> again tomorrow...

Yep. I'd choose Trump over Hillary all over again and twice on Sunday.

What the Democrats seem still unable to realize is that Trump being president is easily as much their fault as the Republicans. I mean, THEY chose to all but coronate about the most unlikeable, sleazy candidate they could........and then throw a fit when the American people reject their sh!tty choice. Duh.

Perhaps.

I blame the Macedonian twitter mills...

(02-18-2018 08:45 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 08:34 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 08:04 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 07:31 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  They had umpteen choices for a ® nominee and chose the most morally bankrupt one. No way Jesus would cast a vote for the man.

When they had umpteen choices, they voted for one of the others. When it came down to Trump or Hillary, they voted for what they believed to be the lesser evil.

Yup.

which interestingly will be studied for decades as to how a vast and varied field of career or semi-career pols all fell short to an outsider, newcomer.

I've been arguing politics (politely for the most part) since around 3rd grade, 1974, then Ford/Carter, I guess, with my friend Tom. Got a pretty good schooling on the topics and foundations after 7 years of "Higher Ed" as well.

Worked in, on, outside many campaigns since then, including Bubba's, W's and varied others, local and national.

NEVER seen this coming, til I watched a confluence of what took place.

First road sign was the Brexit vote. WHAT?!? They voted for what? Soon as I heard/read that, early Summer '16 I think, I thought damn. This may well be Ross Perot writ large.

This rather crazy, gold leafed, orange-haired orangutan may have a real shot. Ann Coulter called it right out of the box. Bully on her.

I've got no "love" (OP) for the guy, but he's a DAMN choice cut above what we were otherwise offered.

Vote for him over Her> again tomorrow...

Yep. I'd choose Trump over Hillary all over again and twice on Sunday.

What the Democrats seem still unable to realize is that Trump being president is easily as much their fault as the Republicans. I mean, THEY chose to all but coronate about the most unlikeable, sleazy candidate they could........and then throw a fit when the American people reject their sh!tty choice. Duh.

Yeah, I don't think they'll make that mistake again, but who knows? Mistakes are what politicians do.

As JMUDunk said, I never saw Trump winning the nomination, much less the general election. Then I looked at the weakness of the Republican field, plus the populist nature of Trump's campaign and thought he had a shot. Figuring HRC would win the Democratic nomination, I assumed Trump's weaknesses, combined with the natural demographic disadvantage Republicans start with, should provide an easy win for Hillary.

But make no mistake, it took a strange set of circumstances to elect Trump last time -- a monumentally bad Democrat, a less than stellar Republican primary field and a voting public ready to oust almost all of Washington. In spite of what you may read on political message boards, Trump is incredibly unpopular, even among populations that voted for him over HRC. I can tell you that Trump carried my area of Mississippi in a landslide, but there is no love for the man himself, and any competent alternative is likely to beat him in a reelection effort.

(02-18-2018 09:11 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 08:45 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 08:34 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 08:04 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 07:31 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  They had umpteen choices for a ® nominee and chose the most morally bankrupt one. No way Jesus would cast a vote for the man.

When they had umpteen choices, they voted for one of the others. When it came down to Trump or Hillary, they voted for what they believed to be the lesser evil.

Yup.

which interestingly will be studied for decades as to how a vast and varied field of career or semi-career pols all fell short to an outsider, newcomer.

I've been arguing politics (politely for the most part) since around 3rd grade, 1974, then Ford/Carter, I guess, with my friend Tom. Got a pretty good schooling on the topics and foundations after 7 years of "Higher Ed" as well.

Worked in, on, outside many campaigns since then, including Bubba's, W's and varied others, local and national.

NEVER seen this coming, til I watched a confluence of what took place.

First road sign was the Brexit vote. WHAT?!? They voted for what? Soon as I heard/read that, early Summer '16 I think, I thought damn. This may well be Ross Perot writ large.

This rather crazy, gold leafed, orange-haired orangutan may have a real shot. Ann Coulter called it right out of the box. Bully on her.

I've got no "love" (OP) for the guy, but he's a DAMN choice cut above what we were otherwise offered.

Vote for him over Her> again tomorrow...

Yep. I'd choose Trump over Hillary all over again and twice on Sunday.

What the Democrats seem still unable to realize is that Trump being president is easily as much their fault as the Republicans. I mean, THEY chose to all but coronate about the most unlikeable, sleazy candidate they could........and then throw a fit when the American people reject their sh!tty choice. Duh.

Yeah, I don't think they'll make that mistake again, but who knows? Mistakes are what politicians do.

As JMUDunk said, I never saw Trump winning the nomination, much less the general election. Then I looked at the weakness of the Republican field, plus the populist nature of Trump's campaign and thought he had a shot. Figuring HRC would win the Democratic nomination, I assumed Trump's weaknesses, combined with the natural demographic disadvantage Republicans start with, should provide an easy win for Hillary.

But make no mistake, it took a strange set of circumstances to elect Trump last time -- a monumentally bad Democrat, a less than stellar Republican primary field and a voting public ready to oust almost all of Washington. In spite of what you may read on political message boards, Trump is incredibly unpopular, even among populations that voted for him over HRC. I can tell you that Trump carried my area of Mississippi in a landslide, but there is no love for the man himself, and any competent alternative is likely to beat him in a reelection effort.

I think a lot may depend on if regular folks have the feeling that Washington is still filled with sleazy politicians more interested in enriching themselves than doing what is right for the country. As well, if it seems as if Trump has made inroads to exposing the cesspool, he may still get backing. Who knows, 2020 is still a ways off....

Impossible to have a realistic conversation about this at this point in time. Since we don't have an obvious democratic candidate to judge Trump against.
Keep in mind, despite some revisionists on here, Trump lost to the sleaziest democratic opponent imaginable in the popular vote. That can't be ignored. 2 million more people in this country voted for Hillary! Had the dems fielded almost anyone in the country other than Hillary we'd have a dem in the oval office right now.
The dems are the only ones who can beat the dems. If next election plays out as sleazily as the last, even I might vote for the repub.

(02-16-2018 01:18 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  obama had his religious leaders. The difference was he had to hide the fact he knew them.

I’ll take the light over the dark. My God has used many ‘bad’ people through history to get good results. You don’t know Gods plan and neither do I.

Cyrus, who didn't believe in God, brought the Jews back to Jerusalem.

Lots of interesting comments in this thread about why people voted for Trump and if they'll vote for him again if he runs for president in the next election.

All I will say is, it's the economy, stupid.

(02-18-2018 07:31 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 11:09 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(02-16-2018 11:05 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I would argue they knew exactly who he is and what he is. They shook hands with the devil because he agreed to promote several of their pet agenda items (anti abortion, conservative Supreme court justice). The supreme court justice in particular was/is important because with one more on board they can control the "political activism" they so despise in liberals and turn it to their favor. It's part of a more long range plan and Trump is only a piece of the puzzle.

Seems to me the larger question still to be answered is what if any price evangelicals will pay for this pragmatic association with a man so obviously morally bankrupt.

Paraphrase: What profitith a man to gain the world if he loses his soul? Religion that becomes to closely involved in politics is ultimately a losing hand.

This is easy.

It's more a matter of people weighing choices with an understanding that no one gets everything they want. Those folks looked at the choices and decided to live with some things they didn't like because they determined that another choice was even less palatable....

They had umpteen choices for a ® nominee and chose the most morally bankrupt one. No way Jesus would cast a vote for the man.

The Evangelicals were heavily behind Ben Carson while he was in the race. Huckabee, Santorum and Carson were the ones courting the evangelicals.

(02-18-2018 08:34 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 08:04 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 07:31 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  They had umpteen choices for a ® nominee and chose the most morally bankrupt one. No way Jesus would cast a vote for the man.

When they had umpteen choices, they voted for one of the others. When it came down to Trump or Hillary, they voted for what they believed to be the lesser evil.

Yup.

which interestingly will be studied for decades as to how a vast and varied field of career or semi-career pols all fell short to an outsider, newcomer.

I've been arguing politics (politely for the most part) since around 3rd grade, 1974, then Ford/Carter, I guess, with my friend Tom. Got a pretty good schooling on the topics and foundations after 7 years of "Higher Ed" as well.

Worked in, on, outside many campaigns since then, including Bubba's, W's and varied others, local and national.

NEVER seen this coming, til I watched a confluence of what took place.

First road sign was the Brexit vote. WHAT?!? They voted for what? Soon as I heard/read that, early Summer '16 I think, I thought damn. This may well be Ross Perot writ large.

This rather crazy, gold leafed, orange-haired orangutan may have a real shot. Ann Coulter called it right out of the box. Bully on her.

I've got no "love" (OP) for the guy, but he's a DAMN choice cut above what we were otherwise offered.

Vote for him over Her> again tomorrow...

I didn't get him either at first. But when he kept getting votes and I saw who was voting for him, then it was obvious what was going on. At least to normal people, not media people in their bubble. It was the Reagan Democrats, the blue collar workers, who were strongly backing him. The other 21 candidates mostly ignored them as had both parties for 30 years.

(02-18-2018 10:00 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Impossible to have a realistic conversation about this at this point in time. Since we don't have an obvious democratic candidate to judge Trump against.
Keep in mind, despite some revisionists on here, Trump lost to the sleaziest democratic opponent imaginable in the popular vote. That can't be ignored. 2 million more people in this country voted for Hillary! Had the dems fielded almost anyone in the country other than Hillary we'd have a dem in the oval office right now.
The dems are the only ones who can beat the dems. If next election plays out as sleazily as the last, even I might vote for the repub.

The majority of American voters now fall into the group of those who want free stuff. Fortunately, as the numbers showed, they're concentrated in states that, while giving any donk candidate a pile of electoral votes, they're still not enough to win the presidency. Hillary ignored the rust belt at her own risk and it came back to bite her is her wide ass.

If Trump delivers on making the lives of rust belt voters better, particularly those who traditionally held well-paying manufacturing jobs, he'll mop the floor at the electoral college and win going away as he knocks down that once solid blue wall.

It was actually a very strong Republican field. It was just too divided. Trump had a strong core and the rest split up the other voters. If simply had Kasich not run or dropped out after South Carolina as he should have, I don't think Trump would have won the Republican nomination. But he split the vote on Super Tuesday and so Trump won the vast majority of primaries, giving him huge momentum and killing off Rubio. Everybody was working on their own campaign and fighting each other while thinking they were using Trump to stop other candidates.

Cruz, Rubio or Bush would have won without Kasich in the field. If he never ran it would have been Rubio or Bush. If he dropped out after South Carolina, it would probably have been Cruz, but possibly Rubio.

(02-18-2018 10:00 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Impossible to have a realistic conversation about this at this point in time. Since we don't have an obvious democratic candidate to judge Trump against.
Keep in mind, despite some revisionists on here, Trump lost to the sleaziest democratic opponent imaginable in the popular vote. That can't be ignored. 2 million more people in this country voted for Hillary! Had the dems fielded almost anyone in the country other than Hillary we'd have a dem in the oval office right now.
The dems are the only ones who can beat the dems. If next election plays out as sleazily as the last, even I might vote for the repub.

Don't forget - the presidential election is a series of 50 state elections. The candidates knew that. Trump didn't even bother campaigning in New York or California because he went to places he could win.

Remove Cali and New York and Hillary's popular vote advantage disappears.......and margin of victory in a given state doesn't matter.

Maybe she should have gone to states in the upper mindwest that she lost instead of spending her time in LA hobknobing with her celebrity crowd......