(02-17-2018 12:30 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:16 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:06 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 11:39 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 11:03 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Dude, most everyone knows about the payout.

You sound like a millennial. All THEY have to do is pay someone $1.6 million per year for the next 6 years. Easy to spend other people’s money.

Exactly right, 1987. 1998 demonstrates the millennial mind, the kind of financial savvy that has their generation over $1 Trillion in student loan debt.

And Tubby has staff control, since some can't seem to remember he moved Keelon off the staff.

This demonstrates your mind which doesn't understand simple math. We can hire someone for $1.5 million and it won't cost us a dollar more. Furthermore, Tubby will get some kind of job in the next year or two and that will reduce our obligation.

Yes, in my mid 40s I am far from a millennial. I also showed how they could pay Tubby buyout, pay Forbes 4x what he makes now and save the boosters 400k a year. Maybe I should make them some Pastner style flash cards

There are only 4 or 5 of them left. Too dumb or stubborn to understand. Mind boggling the nonsense that comes out of them making every excuse in the book for Tubby. A few posters pm'd me telling me that 3 of them are friends, which I guess explains it.

Interesting

(02-17-2018 12:26 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 09:11 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 08:53 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  One step:

Come up with $10 million.

I assumed that Tubby's salary is a sunk cost that can be paid out over six years and thus allow part one of step 5. If my assumption is wrong, then it certainly limits our options.

You guys talk about "sunk cost" like it's not real money. It is very real. Someone has to actually write a check and give to Tubby and probably assistants for severance. It is just money that you are obligated to pay; in other words: DEBT.

Tell me if this is real money...

2016
12,028 tickets sold per game
20 home games
240,560 tickets sold
$60/ticket (conservative, includes donations)
$14,433,600 revenue

2019
5,500 tickets sold per game (6,208 so far, with 2 crap home games left + Cincinnati freebies)
19 home games
104,500 tickets sold
$50/ticket (no way fans will pay as much as this year)
$5,225,000 revenue

2016 - 2019
$14,433,600 - $5,225,000
- $9,208,600

12,028 was the bottom of the barrel for Pastner who averaged 15,550 for his 7 years at Memphis. IF Tubby is given another season he will end up costing us around $25 million in lost ticket revenue compared to Pastner's LAST season, Pastner's worst season.

If you want to compare this to Pastner's glory years, 2012 - 2014, when we were averaging over 16,000 and probably getting $100/ticket; in those seasons ticket revenues were probably between $25-30 million per season.

Quite a big difference between $25-30 million and the $5-6 million we will get next season if Rudd and Bowen don't find a way to sack Tubby RIGHT EFFING NOW.

So answer this. Real money? Yes or no?

(02-17-2018 12:44 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:30 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:16 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:06 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 11:39 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Exactly right, 1987. 1998 demonstrates the millennial mind, the kind of financial savvy that has their generation over $1 Trillion in student loan debt.

And Tubby has staff control, since some can't seem to remember he moved Keelon off the staff.

This demonstrates blah blah blah

Yes, in my mid 40s I am far from a millennial. I also showed how they could pay Tubby buyout, pay Forbes 4x what he makes now and save the boosters 400k a year. Maybe I should make them some Pastner style flash cards

A few posters pm'd me telling me that 3 of them are friends, which I guess explains it.

Interesting

No, stupid. Nobody pm'd him, he's making it up.

(02-17-2018 12:43 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  Without wading too far into this, I think one stop gap is forcing him to fire the assistants who are not (at least visibly) pulling their weight.

I think changing out Saul and Pooh for two better recruiters would make Tubby uncomfortable enough to start thinking buyout. It also might actually get us enough players that Tubby (who by all accounts actually is a decent bench / practice coach) could actually win enough to serve his three years in disappointing, but passing, fashion while still giving us enough oxygen to keep the program relevant enough that the next guy has a chance.

I'm still stuck on why Penny won't agree to be 1st assistant (if indeed he won't, the man himself hasn't publicly spoke). Penny on the bench to replace Pooh or Saul is a no brainer:

1. Better recruiting - helps us and Tubby
2. If we start winning, tubby retires happy and our next coach is (hey!) Penny.
3. If we start losing, Tubby is fired, we need a guy with experience with the program (hey!), Penny.

I am probably missing something, but if Penny wants the HC job, the simplest way might be to replace Saul.

And yes, I am almost certainly missing something.

A few posters here have intimated that Esposito is leaving on his own no matter what. At that point, all you have to do is force Tubby to fire Saul. If you do that, NOBODY in the national media, any media or with any common sense is going to blame us; they know that Saul is ******* useless.

Esposito leaves, Saul is fired and Tubby is left with Pooh and has to convince two assistants to take on a job where Tubby himself probably won't last more than a year. Firing Saul will do the trick.

(02-17-2018 12:47 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:44 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:30 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:16 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:06 PM)Stammers Wrote:  This demonstrates blah blah blah

Yes, in my mid 40s I am far from a millennial. I also showed how they could pay Tubby buyout, pay Forbes 4x what he makes now and save the boosters 400k a year. Maybe I should make them some Pastner style flash cards

A few posters pm'd me telling me that 3 of them are friends, which I guess explains it.

Interesting

No, stupid. Nobody pm'd him, he's making it up.

Sheeple 1 of 3 has spoken.

my favorite option is to let the professionals and the financiers come up with a plan, and I will support their efforts with patience and gratitude.

(02-17-2018 12:50 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:47 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:44 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:30 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:16 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Yes, in my mid 40s I am far from a millennial. I also showed how they could pay Tubby buyout, pay Forbes 4x what he makes now and save the boosters 400k a year. Maybe I should make them some Pastner style flash cards

A few posters pm'd me telling me that 3 of them are friends, which I guess explains it.

Interesting

No, stupid. Nobody pm'd him, he's making it up.

blah blah blah

Stammers, the few times I read your drivel it's like Charlie Brown's teacher. mwah mwah mwah.

Notice how you didn't deny you made up the pm BS. Joshie down 14 at half at home, too bad.

(02-17-2018 12:51 PM)Cotten Wrote:  my favorite option is to let the professionals and the financiers come up with a plan, and I will support their efforts with patience and gratitude.

Common sense in a sea of financial illiteracy. Well done Cotten. +3.

(02-17-2018 12:53 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:50 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:47 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:44 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:30 PM)Stammers Wrote:  A few posters pm'd me telling me that 3 of them are friends, which I guess explains it.

Interesting

No, stupid. Nobody pm'd him, he's making it up.

blah blah blah

Stammers, the few times I read your drivel it's like Charlie Brown's teacher. mwah mwah mwah.

Notice how you didn't deny you made up the pm BS. Joshie down 14 at half at home, too bad.

Joshie will have a losing season.

(02-17-2018 12:43 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  Without wading too far into this, I think one stop gap is forcing him to fire the assistants who are not (at least visibly) pulling their weight.

I think changing out Saul and Pooh for two better recruiters would make Tubby uncomfortable enough to start thinking buyout. It also might actually get us enough players that Tubby (who by all accounts actually is a decent bench / practice coach) could actually win enough to serve his three years in disappointing, but passing, fashion while still giving us enough oxygen to keep the program relevant enough that the next guy has a chance.

I'm still stuck on why Penny won't agree to be 1st assistant (if indeed he won't, the man himself hasn't publicly spoke). Penny on the bench to replace Pooh or Saul is a no brainer:

1. Better recruiting - helps us and Tubby
2. If we start winning, tubby retires happy and our next coach is (hey!) Penny.
3. If we start losing, Tubby is fired, we need a guy with experience with the program (hey!), Penny.

I am probably missing something, but if Penny wants the HC job, the simplest way might be to replace Saul.

And yes, I am almost certainly missing something.

From a common sense perspective, this seems the WTG and a gr8 scenario....However, first problem, there's certain types of players (4-5* player's ie Lawson's) that Tubbs does NOT want to coach...obvious by their exodus to Kansas. These are THE players that Penny would bring in. Huge conflict.

Also, could Penny bring in his type players with Tubbs as coach?

So, although logically, a seemingly perfect scenario...Tubbs has pinned himself into a situation that has exposed a glaring weakness,STUBBORNESS.

Because of this, We are limited as the ONLY option is his removal....Even though hiring Penny would be ideal for EVERYONE. WIN WIN WIN WIN.

So, I feel that Penny as head, although a little premature, is the best immediate and longterm solution to resuscitate Memphis BB

(02-17-2018 12:50 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:43 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  Without wading too far into this, I think one stop gap is forcing him to fire the assistants who are not (at least visibly) pulling their weight.

I think changing out Saul and Pooh for two better recruiters would make Tubby uncomfortable enough to start thinking buyout. It also might actually get us enough players that Tubby (who by all accounts actually is a decent bench / practice coach) could actually win enough to serve his three years in disappointing, but passing, fashion while still giving us enough oxygen to keep the program relevant enough that the next guy has a chance.

I'm still stuck on why Penny won't agree to be 1st assistant (if indeed he won't, the man himself hasn't publicly spoke). Penny on the bench to replace Pooh or Saul is a no brainer:

1. Better recruiting - helps us and Tubby
2. If we start winning, tubby retires happy and our next coach is (hey!) Penny.
3. If we start losing, Tubby is fired, we need a guy with experience with the program (hey!), Penny.

I am probably missing something, but if Penny wants the HC job, the simplest way might be to replace Saul.

And yes, I am almost certainly missing something.

A few posters here have intimated that Esposito is leaving on his own no matter what. At that point, all you have to do is force Tubby to fire Saul. If you do that, NOBODY in the national media, any media or with any common sense is going to blame us; they know that Saul is ******* useless.

Esposito leaves, Saul is fired and Tubby is left with Pooh and has to convince two assistants to take on a job where Tubby himself probably won't last more than a year. Firing Saul will do the trick.

Can they fire Saul or do they have to insist Tubby do it?

(02-17-2018 12:58 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:53 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:50 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:47 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:44 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Interesting

No, stupid. Nobody pm'd him, he's making it up.

blah blah blah

Stammers, the few times I read your drivel it's like Charlie Brown's teacher. mwah mwah mwah.

Notice how you didn't deny you made up the pm BS. Joshie down 14 at half at home, too bad.

Joshie will have a losing season.

Yes he will. And Georgia Tech gave him a 6 year contract when they bailed us out, and then a 1 year extension before this season started. My brother is a Georgia Tech grad, you can imagine his reaction.

My input is it’s going to happen. Only because I can feel the heat from my living room.

(02-17-2018 12:50 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:43 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  Without wading too far into this, I think one stop gap is forcing him to fire the assistants who are not (at least visibly) pulling their weight.

I think changing out Saul and Pooh for two better recruiters would make Tubby uncomfortable enough to start thinking buyout. It also might actually get us enough players that Tubby (who by all accounts actually is a decent bench / practice coach) could actually win enough to serve his three years in disappointing, but passing, fashion while still giving us enough oxygen to keep the program relevant enough that the next guy has a chance.

I'm still stuck on why Penny won't agree to be 1st assistant (if indeed he won't, the man himself hasn't publicly spoke). Penny on the bench to replace Pooh or Saul is a no brainer:

1. Better recruiting - helps us and Tubby
2. If we start winning, tubby retires happy and our next coach is (hey!) Penny.
3. If we start losing, Tubby is fired, we need a guy with experience with the program (hey!), Penny.

I am probably missing something, but if Penny wants the HC job, the simplest way might be to replace Saul.

And yes, I am almost certainly missing something.

A few posters here have intimated that Esposito is leaving on his own no matter what. At that point, all you have to do is force Tubby to fire Saul. If you do that, NOBODY in the national media, any media or with any common sense is going to blame us; they know that Saul is ******* useless.

Esposito leaves, Saul is fired and Tubby is left with Pooh and has to convince two assistants to take on a job where Tubby himself probably won't last more than a year. Firing Saul will do the trick.

And Tubby has staff control, since some can't seem to remember he moved Keelon off the staff. FACT. Over Bowen's objection who verbally promised Keelon a bench asst position. Think that through and you ain't doing jack with Tubby's permission.

Why would you want to fire Tubby when he is on the cusp of taking this team to the NCAA?

(02-17-2018 01:10 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:50 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:43 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  Without wading too far into this, I think one stop gap is forcing him to fire the assistants who are not (at least visibly) pulling their weight.

I think changing out Saul and Pooh for two better recruiters would make Tubby uncomfortable enough to start thinking buyout. It also might actually get us enough players that Tubby (who by all accounts actually is a decent bench / practice coach) could actually win enough to serve his three years in disappointing, but passing, fashion while still giving us enough oxygen to keep the program relevant enough that the next guy has a chance.

I'm still stuck on why Penny won't agree to be 1st assistant (if indeed he won't, the man himself hasn't publicly spoke). Penny on the bench to replace Pooh or Saul is a no brainer:

1. Better recruiting - helps us and Tubby
2. If we start winning, tubby retires happy and our next coach is (hey!) Penny.
3. If we start losing, Tubby is fired, we need a guy with experience with the program (hey!), Penny.

I am probably missing something, but if Penny wants the HC job, the simplest way might be to replace Saul.

And yes, I am almost certainly missing something.

A few posters here have intimated that Esposito is leaving on his own no matter what. At that point, all you have to do is force Tubby to fire Saul. If you do that, NOBODY in the national media, any media or with any common sense is going to blame us; they know that Saul is ******* useless.

Esposito leaves, Saul is fired and Tubby is left with Pooh and has to convince two assistants to take on a job where Tubby himself probably won't last more than a year. Firing Saul will do the trick.

And Tubby has staff control, since some can't seem to remember he moved Keelon off the staff. FACT. Over Bowen's objection who verbally promised Keelon a bench asst position. Think that through and you ain't doing jack with Tubby's permission.

You for real seriously think that the school has the power to fire Tubby but they don't have the power to fire an assistant? They can fire anyone for any reason they want. Where do people come up with this stuff?

(02-17-2018 12:58 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:53 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:50 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:47 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:44 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  Interesting

No, stupid. Nobody pm'd him, he's making it up.

blah blah blah

Stammers, the few times I read your drivel it's like Charlie Brown's teacher. mwah mwah mwah.

Notice how you didn't deny you made up the pm BS. Joshie down 14 at half at home, too bad.

Joshie will have a losing season.

Joshie now down 32 at home to Virginia Tech. Memories - no discernible offense being run, no strategy adjustments at halftime. All that's left is to hear him say players have to make shots in the postgame presser.

Don't worry, Stams. They will score some meaningless points down the stretch to make is look better.

(02-17-2018 01:28 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:58 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:53 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:50 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:47 PM)Tigx Wrote:  No, stupid. Nobody pm'd him, he's making it up.

blah blah blah

Stammers, the few times I read your drivel it's like Charlie Brown's teacher. mwah mwah mwah.

Notice how you didn't deny you made up the pm BS. Joshie down 14 at half at home, too bad.

Joshie will have a losing season.

Joshie now down 32 at home to Virginia Tech. Memories - no discernible offense being run, no strategy adjustments at halftime. All that's left is to hear him say players have to make shots in the postgame presser.

Don't worry, Stams. They will score some meaningless points down the stretch to make is look better.

Keep the updates on the GT game and my ignore status coming. The whole board is laughing at you and the sheeple.

(02-17-2018 01:17 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 01:10 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:50 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 12:43 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  Without wading too far into this, I think one stop gap is forcing him to fire the assistants who are not (at least visibly) pulling their weight.

I think changing out Saul and Pooh for two better recruiters would make Tubby uncomfortable enough to start thinking buyout. It also might actually get us enough players that Tubby (who by all accounts actually is a decent bench / practice coach) could actually win enough to serve his three years in disappointing, but passing, fashion while still giving us enough oxygen to keep the program relevant enough that the next guy has a chance.

I'm still stuck on why Penny won't agree to be 1st assistant (if indeed he won't, the man himself hasn't publicly spoke). Penny on the bench to replace Pooh or Saul is a no brainer:

1. Better recruiting - helps us and Tubby
2. If we start winning, tubby retires happy and our next coach is (hey!) Penny.
3. If we start losing, Tubby is fired, we need a guy with experience with the program (hey!), Penny.

I am probably missing something, but if Penny wants the HC job, the simplest way might be to replace Saul.

And yes, I am almost certainly missing something.

A few posters here have intimated that Esposito is leaving on his own no matter what. At that point, all you have to do is force Tubby to fire Saul. If you do that, NOBODY in the national media, any media or with any common sense is going to blame us; they know that Saul is ******* useless.

Esposito leaves, Saul is fired and Tubby is left with Pooh and has to convince two assistants to take on a job where Tubby himself probably won't last more than a year. Firing Saul will do the trick.

And Tubby has staff control, since some can't seem to remember he moved Keelon off the staff. FACT. Over Bowen's objection who verbally promised Keelon a bench asst position. Think that through and you ain't doing jack with Tubby's permission.

You for real seriously think that the school has the power to fire Tubby but they don't have the power to fire an assistant? They can fire anyone for any reason they want. Where do people come up with this stuff?

At Tubby's level, I would be shocked if he doesn't have contractual authority over his staff. My guess is that, lacking "cause," the school can't fire the staff, it's likely that the best they can threaten to fire Tubby if he doesn't make staff changes.