tribeintexas
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RE: CAA Schools: Basketball vs. Football
The question is will Coach Shaver dramatically improve the team if the program is given more budget?
I would say no because our academic requirements limit who we can recruit. I think the team will get better if we build a multi-sport practice facility and give more recruiting/travel budget.
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RE: CAA Schools: Basketball vs. Football
(02-21-2018 10:09 AM)tribeintexas Wrote: The question is will Coach Shaver dramatically improve the team if the program is given more budget?
I would say no because our academic requirements limit who we can recruit. I think the team will get better if we build a multi-sport practice facility and give more recruiting/travel budget.
I agree that the tangible benefits would be facilities improvements, increased recruiting budgets, and retention of high level assistant coaches. Don't get me wrong. I like our assistants and think they do an admirable job. But, the name of the game in college sports is recruiting. Top level assistants that are top recruiters command big $$. Top level recruiters build relationships and sometimes get upper tier guys to choose their program. I know that they are Ivy's and play by different rules, but both Harvard and Princeton have scored some 4* prospects in the last few years. We should be in on those same kids. Identify upper tier academically able talent and compete with the big boys. It will be a tough sell, but if relationships are made, it is doable. None of this is possible overnight, but I'd love the recruiting to take a more aggressive stance.
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RE: CAA Schools: Basketball vs. Football
It's not just the academics. We are a fairly small school, no engineering, no med school, etc. It is a tough place to recruit for unless the recruit wants either a liberal arts education or a business degree. Most people either fall in love right away or they don't
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RE: CAA Schools: Basketball vs. Football
(02-21-2018 06:23 AM)Tribal Wrote: Going back to my point: ODU, GMU, UD, JMU all spend more than us on MBB (all top 115) and we're better than all 4. You can't buy success unless you start dropping major cash...the kind of money that would get you and top level coach when Shaver moves on....something in the neighborhood of $950,000. Jamion Christian makes somewhere around $200,000 at MSM but we couldn't get him for that.
Keatts made $500,000 at UNCW and he couldn't jump ship fast enough. VCU pays their guy $1.5 mil but there's always a U of Texas willing to pay a lot more. So, shelling out a lot of cash doesn't mean we'd retain a program-changing coach.
I'm not thumbing my nose at a few hundred thousand a year, especially if it went to coaches salaries and improving facilities, but that won't buy us a ticket at the dance.
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Agreed. This is what always scares me about when Shaver decides to leave. VCU had a pretty good thing going with finding P5-to-be coaches, but that train ended with Smart. It's a risky place to be, especially when it seems like a really bad year or two could erase all the building that we've done.
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RE: CAA Schools: Basketball vs. Football
(02-21-2018 07:41 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote: Agreed. This is what always scares me about when Shaver decides to leave. VCU had a pretty good thing going with finding P5-to-be coaches, but that train ended with Smart. It's a risky place to be, especially when it seems like a really bad year or two could erase all the building that we've done.
I don't want to defend VCU because I hate them but Will Wade also got picked up by a P5 and they're 5th in the A10 this year without him. That's not so bad...
I think Mason is a far more cautionary tale. They've fallen off a cliff.
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RE: CAA Schools: Basketball vs. Football
And Miami has become relevant. Texas is rising as well. Mason is kind of like Duke. They are Coach L and Duke is coach K. Without them they fall back to where they were before those regimes which wasnt very good. Duke is in trouble once K leaves, they have struggled even when he has disappeared for medical reasons. Sometimes it truly is remarkable just how impactful a coach can be
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RE: CAA Schools: Basketball vs. Football
(02-22-2018 02:05 PM)dan10 Wrote: And Miami has become relevant. Texas is rising as well. Mason is kind of like Duke. They are Coach L and Duke is coach K. Without them they fall back to where they were before those regimes which wasnt very good. Duke is in trouble once K leaves, they have struggled even when he has disappeared for medical reasons. Sometimes it truly is remarkable just how impactful a coach can be
Well, if Duke can't hire a top coach to replace K -- then nobody can. I would assume that Duke could have the pick of the litter. Anybody who isn't already at about only 5 other schools would leap at the chance to go to Duke.
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RE: CAA Schools: Basketball vs. Football
(02-22-2018 06:21 PM)Zorch Wrote: (02-22-2018 02:05 PM)dan10 Wrote: And Miami has become relevant. Texas is rising as well. Mason is kind of like Duke. They are Coach L and Duke is coach K. Without them they fall back to where they were before those regimes which wasnt very good. Duke is in trouble once K leaves, they have struggled even when he has disappeared for medical reasons. Sometimes it truly is remarkable just how impactful a coach can be
Well, if Duke can't hire a top coach to replace K -- then nobody can. I would assume that Duke could have the pick of the litter. Anybody who isn't already at about only 5 other schools would leap at the chance to go to Duke.
You would have said the same about UCLA and Indiana once upon a time. Remember what happened to UNC until they brought Roy Williams back? Who would you even get that might be able to replace Coach K or Izzo or a few other of the best?
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RE: CAA Schools: Basketball vs. Football
Duke eventually would get a decent coach in and right the ship. Even if there were struggles, Duke/Michigan St. would still attract 5 star talent. Not to mention that coach K is starting to build a coaching tree of successful former players that have proven to be very good recruiters. And as we know, recruiting is the lifeblood of a program.
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RE: CAA Schools: Basketball vs. Football
(02-18-2018 08:09 PM)Sitting bull Wrote: Here we go again looking for a problem where none exists.
If there is a better option for W&M sports out there, make your case.
The CAA:
1) in football, arguably the top - or 2nd to MVC - conference playing football at the level we compete.
2) in basketball, the CAA is ranked #11 of 30+ conferences.
We should be spending more time championing the CAA to continue improving it than looking around all the time for half ass options.
Can concur improving CAA has appeal. Cited strengths should provide catalysts for same that would benefit W&M.
Stoutness of strap on football affiliates should result in next seven win football campaign netting a playoff berth in expanded format. Maybe league can help finesse using same affiliates to help with non-conference basketball scheduling to reduce Milligan’s and Savannah States on future schedules.
League plans to leverage basketball strength to migrate beyond present one bid/no tv contract status will be popular. Better officiating may be a bridge too far, but league office could at least point out that one team should be whistled every time out for having six participants on the court...seems like this should be an easy fix to implement before the tournament.
Another CAA strength is that it’s a league without compliance issues. As the FBI’s nuclear Baby Ruth bar approaches impact in the Power 5 swimming pool, should be easy to lobby for better NCAA treatment going forward...things to champion.
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