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Women’s games on ESPN networks
Do these games (outside UConn & Tennessee) get good ratings?

Have to ask, as I can’t be the only one annoyed this season by the flood of women’s games on the likes of espn2 while men’s games are simultaneously on espnu, espn3, etc (or missing the start of the following men’s game). Most of these women’s games have only a few hundred in the arena.
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(02-18-2018 04:04 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Do these games (outside UConn & Tennessee) get good ratings?

Have to ask, as I can’t be the only one annoyed this season by the flood of women’s games on the likes of espn2 while men’s games are simultaneously on espnu, espn3, etc (or missing the start of the following men’s game). Most of these women’s games have only a few hundred in the arena.

To answer your question in a round about way. Women's basketball even for UConn was in the red last year. Tennessee's was as well although both in the past have eeked out a small profit.

But their ratings might notch if they are in the Women's final four. Other than that not so much.

In the Southeast there is only 1 sport for women where schools are turning a profit, Softball. And even there it doesn't mean that all of the schools are in the black, but there are probably more than half of the SEC programs where softball operates in the black, but even there the profit is minimal at best.
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(02-19-2018 07:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 04:04 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Do these games (outside UConn & Tennessee) get good ratings?

Have to ask, as I can’t be the only one annoyed this season by the flood of women’s games on the likes of espn2 while men’s games are simultaneously on espnu, espn3, etc (or missing the start of the following men’s game). Most of these women’s games have only a few hundred in the arena.

To answer your question in a round about way. Women's basketball even for UConn was in the red last year. Tennessee's was as well although both in the past have eeked out a small profit.

But their ratings might notch if they are in the Women's final four. Other than that not so much.

In the Southeast there is only 1 sport for women where schools are turning a profit, Softball. And even there it doesn't mean that all of the schools are in the black, but there are probably more than half of the SEC programs where softball operates in the black, but even there the profit is minimal at best.

Softball is a surprisingly expensive sport for teams in large metro areas.

A softball stadium needs 3-5 acres. That's no big deal if you're in a college town - you just buy the next corn field for $20,000 per acre.

But where is an urban school like Cincinnati or Vanderbilt going to find 3-4 flat acres? Cincy only has 194 acres for 44,000 students and 16,000 employees.

The last time UC bought land, it cost $24 million to acquire 4.5 acres (although much of that was in court costs for an eminent domain fight). I've told the athletic department to allocate all of my donations to start a softball team, but my donations don't come close to that ballpark.
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(02-19-2018 07:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 04:04 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Do these games (outside UConn & Tennessee) get good ratings?

Have to ask, as I can’t be the only one annoyed this season by the flood of women’s games on the likes of espn2 while men’s games are simultaneously on espnu, espn3, etc (or missing the start of the following men’s game). Most of these women’s games have only a few hundred in the arena.

To answer your question in a round about way. Women's basketball even for UConn was in the red last year. Tennessee's was as well although both in the past have eeked out a small profit.

But their ratings might notch if they are in the Women's final four. Other than that not so much.

In the Southeast there is only 1 sport for women where schools are turning a profit, Softball. And even there it doesn't mean that all of the schools are in the black, but there are probably more than half of the SEC programs where softball operates in the black, but even there the profit is minimal at best.

I believe Gymnastics is profitable for some SEC programs like UGA and LSU.
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I'm at a bar. And both games are women's games on ESPN networks. Yesterday was the same. I don't like it. Sorry, I'm not that interested in basketball let alone women's hoops. Again, sorry to the snowflakes offended by that
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(02-19-2018 07:48 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-19-2018 07:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 04:04 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Do these games (outside UConn & Tennessee) get good ratings?

Have to ask, as I can’t be the only one annoyed this season by the flood of women’s games on the likes of espn2 while men’s games are simultaneously on espnu, espn3, etc (or missing the start of the following men’s game). Most of these women’s games have only a few hundred in the arena.

To answer your question in a round about way. Women's basketball even for UConn was in the red last year. Tennessee's was as well although both in the past have eeked out a small profit.

But their ratings might notch if they are in the Women's final four. Other than that not so much.

In the Southeast there is only 1 sport for women where schools are turning a profit, Softball. And even there it doesn't mean that all of the schools are in the black, but there are probably more than half of the SEC programs where softball operates in the black, but even there the profit is minimal at best.

Softball is a surprisingly expensive sport for teams in large metro areas.

A softball stadium needs 3-5 acres. That's no big deal if you're in a college town - you just buy the next corn field for $20,000 per acre.

But where is an urban school like Cincinnati or Vanderbilt going to find 3-4 flat acres? Cincy only has 194 acres for 44,000 students and 16,000 employees.

The last time UC bought land, it cost $24 million to acquire 4.5 acres (although much of that was in court costs for an eminent domain fight). I've told the athletic department to allocate all of my donations to start a softball team, but my donations don't come close to that ballpark.

It wasn't my intent to hype the few economic virtues of women's softball, but rather to highlight how nationwide women's sports don't, can't, and won't, cover their overhead.
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(02-18-2018 04:04 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Do these games (outside UConn & Tennessee) get good ratings?

Have to ask, as I can’t be the only one annoyed this season by the flood of women’s games on the likes of espn2 while men’s games are simultaneously on espnu, espn3, etc (or missing the start of the following men’s game). Most of these women’s games have only a few hundred in the arena.

They get really good ratings in my home. If womens hoops is on and my wife spots it on the guide, that where she stops.
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(02-19-2018 07:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 04:04 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Do these games (outside UConn & Tennessee) get good ratings?

Have to ask, as I can’t be the only one annoyed this season by the flood of women’s games on the likes of espn2 while men’s games are simultaneously on espnu, espn3, etc (or missing the start of the following men’s game). Most of these women’s games have only a few hundred in the arena.

To answer your question in a round about way. Women's basketball even for UConn was in the red last year. Tennessee's was as well although both in the past have eeked out a small profit.

But their ratings might notch if they are in the Women's final four. Other than that not so much.

In the Southeast there is only 1 sport for women where schools are turning a profit, Softball. And even there it doesn't mean that all of the schools are in the black, but there are probably more than half of the SEC programs where softball operates in the black, but even there the profit is minimal at best.

Not volleyball?
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I can't beleive Conn WBB does not make money
not only for themselfs, also for conf & nonconf opponents
TV contract has money allocated for them
SNY has contract which is mostly WBB
there filling buildings
what are WBB Tourn credits worth ?
that does not count brand name & money state makes
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(02-19-2018 10:19 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I can't beleive Conn WBB does not make money
not only for themselfs, also for conf & nonconf opponents
TV contract has money allocated for them
SNY has contract which is mostly WBB
there filling buildings
what are WBB Tourn credits worth ?
that does not count brand name & money state makes
I read something a few years back about Tennessee losing 1.5 mill that year on womens ball. Pat was getting paid over 2.5 mill.
Same year uconn lost 1 million. Geno makes about that now. Not hard to see how you lose money with that salary to pay.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...t/2026593/
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(02-18-2018 04:04 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Do these games (outside UConn & Tennessee) get good ratings?

Have to ask, as I can’t be the only one annoyed this season by the flood of women’s games on the likes of espn2 while men’s games are simultaneously on espnu, espn3, etc (or missing the start of the following men’s game). Most of these women’s games have only a few hundred in the arena.

Usually these games do from 100,000-300,000, depending on when the game is. On a weeknight, they sometimes draw 350K or more.
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(02-19-2018 08:00 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  I believe Gymnastics is profitable for some SEC programs like UGA and LSU.

Rank Team Name Average Attendance 2016
1 Utah 13,501
2 Alabama 12,730
3 Georgia 9,261
4 Florida 6,126
5 Oregon State 4,275
6 UCLA 3,586
7 Auburn 3,582
8 Southern Utah 3,164
9 L.S.U. 2,990
10 Michigan 2,762

You should be able to make a few buck with that type of attendance.

But I'd have to imagine that each of these programs are full scholarship and it's not terribly cheap to run a gymnastics team (gym costs + apparatus + set-up/take down) as opposed to some of the more stationary sports with dedicated facilities. It'd be interesting to see the business numbers on gymnastics.

I do hope they can make it work because those attendance numbers are remarkable and there are a lot of girls and young women that really look up to those college gymnasts and aspire to be NCAA athletes as well one day.
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(02-20-2018 10:18 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(02-19-2018 08:00 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  I believe Gymnastics is profitable for some SEC programs like UGA and LSU.

Rank Team Name Average Attendance 2016
1 Utah 13,501
2 Alabama 12,730
3 Georgia 9,261
4 Florida 6,126
5 Oregon State 4,275
6 UCLA 3,586
7 Auburn 3,582
8 Southern Utah 3,164
9 L.S.U. 2,990
10 Michigan 2,762

You should be able to make a few buck with that type of attendance.

But I'd have to imagine that each of these programs are full scholarship and it's not terribly cheap to run a gymnastics team (gym costs + apparatus + set-up/take down) as opposed to some of the more stationary sports with dedicated facilities. It'd be interesting to see the business numbers on gymnastics.

I do hope they can make it work because those attendance numbers are remarkable and there are a lot of girls and young women that really look up to those college gymnasts and aspire to be NCAA athletes as well one day.

Well, while I don't have the actual numbers for gymnastics, on Alabama's last filing the total expenses for all sports other than football and men's basketball were 27 million. The total revenue for all sports excluding Football and Men's Basketball were 9 million.

So on all sports not named Football and Men's Basketball the University of Alabama lost 18 million. Considering that at most SEC schools baseball is actually a revenue producer I would be willing to bet that 3 to 5 million of the 9 million in revenue brought in by all sports other than football and men's basketball came from Baseball, and Softball at Alabama probably operated in the black as well. But I can virtually guarantee you that women's hoops lost money. Gymnastics is tough to say. They have a good deal of travel, but there aren't many of them and they don't carry lots of equipment with them. But I think by breaking all sports out from the main two earners should show just how little any of the other make by comparison, and spending 27 million a year on an average of 14 sports that are only money losers is just going to get harder and harder to justify. Title IX had better thank their preferred deity every night that football offers enough scholarships to cover about 4 to 5 women's sports teams because otherwise things would look bleak indeed.
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