(03-01-2018 04:50 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 04:31 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 04:24 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 04:16 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 04:04 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  On the two bolded parts. The committee has shown time and time again that it doesn't matter how many attempts a team gets, they only care about raw number of wins vs XX factor. Used to be Top 50, now it will be Q1. That's why power teams ALWAYS have the advantage. 3-10 is better than 1-3 even though percentage wise 1-3 is better.

On the second. The metrics are being used this year. They are on the team sheet, they WILL be looked at. OUs and Temples aren't close.

We don't know how they will use Q2 yet ... Q3 and 4 are pretty much worthless unless you have multiple losses in there.

That is a strong point for the first one.

I will go dig up the article on the advanced metrics tonight but they won't be using them to decide who gets in unless two teams are head for the last spot. The advance metrics are suppose to help with seeding and bracket balancing.

They are on the sheets, so they will use them however they need to. They can say one thing officially, but they are on there.

I disagree these are older guys set in there ways from a generation that was never into advanced metrics. They'll stick to the devil they know and rpi will win. The quads ensure the rpi is valued more since that's how they divide up wins.

ESPN pushed for the committee to use advanced metrics and I think they token agreed to it. Now ESPN can pontificate on the BPI and SOR for the big schools. The committee will do it the same old way for a while.

Eh, the committee has never really used Raw RPI numbers though besides to define "quality wins" ... That's why you have teams as low as 21 getting left out but teams as high as the high 60s/low 70s.

Lol 3x in 350+ bids

(03-01-2018 02:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Losing record in the deep big 12 isn't the same as a losing record in the aac. Nice try though.

Perception is reality but The American is 3-4 vs. Big 12 teams this year. Even more impressive is not a single one of those 7 games was played in a home arena for the American teams involved.

The latest CBS Bracket (Jerry Palm) moves UH up to a 6 seed: UC #2 seed, WSU #3 seed, UH #6 seed.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...cketology/

(03-02-2018 01:14 AM)shocker3 Wrote:  The latest CBS Bracket (Jerry Palm) moves UH up to a 6 seed: UC #2 seed, WSU #3 seed, UH #6 seed.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...cketology/

GIVE ME THAT DALLAS 6 SEED!!!!!!!

(03-01-2018 09:24 PM)CornellCoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 02:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Losing record in the deep big 12 isn't the same as a losing record in the aac. Nice try though.

Perception is reality but The American is 3-4 vs. Big 12 teams this year. Even more impressive is not a single one of those 7 games was played in a home arena for the American teams involved.

The non home game part is partially just how things fell this year. Of the 7 games 3 were played by Tulsa. One was the front of a home-home @ OSU. The other was in Wichita against K State. Part of a home-home-neutral. And the other was against Iowa State in a tournament.

I'm not arguing anything. Just adding to what you said.

(03-02-2018 07:35 AM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 09:24 PM)CornellCoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 02:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Losing record in the deep big 12 isn't the same as a losing record in the aac. Nice try though.

Perception is reality but The American is 3-4 vs. Big 12 teams this year. Even more impressive is not a single one of those 7 games was played in a home arena for the American teams involved.

The non home game part is partially just how things fell this year. Of the 7 games 3 were played by Tulsa. One was the front of a home-home @ OSU. The other was in Wichita against K State. Part of a home-home-neutral. And the other was against Iowa State in a tournament.

I'm not arguing anything. Just adding to what you said.

Ha! So 6 of the 7 were from Tulsa/WSU. WSU had @Baylor (home and home), @OSU (Home and Home), OU (Downtown arena, home and home)

(03-02-2018 01:14 AM)shocker3 Wrote:  The latest CBS Bracket (Jerry Palm) moves UH up to a 6 seed: UC #2 seed, WSU #3 seed, UH #6 seed.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...cketology/

He must have changed it again. WSU 4 Seed in Boise ... Potentially playing Gonzaga (5 seed) in the second round. That's a protected seed for you lol

(03-02-2018 09:20 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 07:35 AM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 09:24 PM)CornellCoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 02:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Losing record in the deep big 12 isn't the same as a losing record in the aac. Nice try though.

Perception is reality but The American is 3-4 vs. Big 12 teams this year. Even more impressive is not a single one of those 7 games was played in a home arena for the American teams involved.

The non home game part is partially just how things fell this year. Of the 7 games 3 were played by Tulsa. One was the front of a home-home @ OSU. The other was in Wichita against K State. Part of a home-home-neutral. And the other was against Iowa State in a tournament.

I'm not arguing anything. Just adding to what you said.

Ha! So 6 of the 7 were from Tulsa/WSU. WSU had @Baylor (home and home), @OSU (Home and Home), OU (Downtown arena, home and home)

Dang lol We love us some BigXII

(03-02-2018 10:13 AM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 09:20 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 07:35 AM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 09:24 PM)CornellCoog Wrote:  

(03-01-2018 02:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Losing record in the deep big 12 isn't the same as a losing record in the aac. Nice try though.

Perception is reality but The American is 3-4 vs. Big 12 teams this year. Even more impressive is not a single one of those 7 games was played in a home arena for the American teams involved.

The non home game part is partially just how things fell this year. Of the 7 games 3 were played by Tulsa. One was the front of a home-home @ OSU. The other was in Wichita against K State. Part of a home-home-neutral. And the other was against Iowa State in a tournament.

I'm not arguing anything. Just adding to what you said.

Ha! So 6 of the 7 were from Tulsa/WSU. WSU had @Baylor (home and home), @OSU (Home and Home), OU (Downtown arena, home and home)

Dang lol We love us some BigXII

I35 helping us out lol

(03-02-2018 09:21 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 01:14 AM)shocker3 Wrote:  The latest CBS Bracket (Jerry Palm) moves UH up to a 6 seed: UC #2 seed, WSU #3 seed, UH #6 seed.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...cketology/

He must have changed it again. WSU 4 Seed in Boise ... Potentially playing Gonzaga (5 seed) in the second round. That's a protected seed for you lol

So WSU dropped a line after a Q1 road win last night?

Makes sense.

(03-02-2018 10:57 AM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 09:21 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 01:14 AM)shocker3 Wrote:  The latest CBS Bracket (Jerry Palm) moves UH up to a 6 seed: UC #2 seed, WSU #3 seed, UH #6 seed.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...cketology/

He must have changed it again. WSU 4 Seed in Boise ... Potentially playing Gonzaga (5 seed) in the second round. That's a protected seed for you lol

So WSU dropped a line after a Q1 road win last night?

Makes sense.

I'm not seeing the argument for WVU over WSU at the 3 line at this point

WSU 24-5
Q1 5-2
Q2 10-2
Q3 3-1
Q4 6-0

RPI 12
NC SOS 63

WVU 22-8
Q1 7-6
Q2 6-1
Q3 2-1
Q4 7-0

RPI 29
NC SOS 247

(03-02-2018 11:05 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 10:57 AM)ShockerFever Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 09:21 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 01:14 AM)shocker3 Wrote:  The latest CBS Bracket (Jerry Palm) moves UH up to a 6 seed: UC #2 seed, WSU #3 seed, UH #6 seed.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...cketology/

He must have changed it again. WSU 4 Seed in Boise ... Potentially playing Gonzaga (5 seed) in the second round. That's a protected seed for you lol

So WSU dropped a line after a Q1 road win last night?

Makes sense.

I'm not seeing the argument for WVU over WSU at the 3 line at this point

WSU 24-5
Q1 5-2
Q2 10-2
Q3 3-1
Q4 6-0

RPI 12
NC SOS 63

WVU 22-8
Q1 7-6
Q2 6-1
Q3 2-1
Q4 7-0

RPI 29
NC SOS 247

overall SOS is 40-44 though so really close there....

both teams have a Q1 game this weekend. The advantage for WVU may be next week- as their 1st rd game would be vs Oklahoma, while Wichita may wind up playing 8/9 winner(in a not Q1 game).