(02-21-2018 11:04 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The continued attacks on these kids by some right wing nut jobs is despicable.

I find attacks on the kids to be in bad taste.... But...

For the sake of argument Tom. They have crossed the line from mourning into political activism. Should any political activist be immune from criticism?

You know who really is despicable... The parents for letting, or pushing, their kids to be pawns in a greater political struggle.

I dare say no one is being "pushed" into anything. Why would anyone say a cross word about these kids choosing to protest & speak out against something that has directly affected their lives in a very negative way?

The smear campaign against the kid who was on TV in Cali & Florida is just ridiculous.

A friend who lives in Florida shared it on FB last night, and someone tagged a friend WHO IS A TEACHER AT THE SCHOOL, and knows the kid personally - he really was on vacation with his family and was interviewed out there, and then this happened at his school. It's ridiculous the lengths some people are trying to go to to discredit these kids.

(02-21-2018 11:24 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:59 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:57 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The continued attacks on these kids by some right wing nut jobs is despicable.

The people who want to disenfranchise the American people and deprive us of our fundamental human rights are not and never have been "these kids."

Of course, the Progressives, once their attempt to be rational fails, will fall back on emotion, and kids. Emotions, and kids in this case, are a completely insane way of dealing with gun control.

Well...when dealing with elected Republicans and their NRA stooge financiers, they're really left with little choice.

This talking point is the biggest load of crap that the media feeds about all this and you sheep believe it blindly. The NRA contributed barely over $1 million in the 16' election, and even $10,000 went to democratic candidates. That is NOTHING.

Meanwhile NextGen Climate donated over $35 million with 100% going to democrats. Wonder why democrats push climate change agenda so hard?

The NRA gives peanuts to the republican/conservative campaigns so the dots that the left attempts to connect about the NRA, conservative political figures, and gun violence is just another dumb lie you libs believe.

"The nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics estimated that during the 2016 election, the NRA and its affiliates spent a record $54m to secure Republican control of the White House and Congress, including at least $30.3m to help elect Donald Trump."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018...-lawmakers
Wonder why republicans push guns so hard? Also show your source on them only donating 1 million if you can even find one.

(02-21-2018 11:35 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:04 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The continued attacks on these kids by some right wing nut jobs is despicable.

I find attacks on the kids to be in bad taste.... But...
For the sake of argument Tom. They have crossed the line from mourning into political activism. Should any political activist be immune from criticism?
You know who really is despicable... The parents for letting, or pushing, their kids to be pawns in a greater political struggle.

I dare say no one is being "pushed" into anything. Why would anyone say a cross word about these kids choosing to protest & speak out against something that has directly affected their lives in a very negative way?
The smear campaign against the kid who was on TV in Cali & Florida is just ridiculous.
A friend who lives in Florida shared it on FB last night, and someone tagged a friend WHO IS A TEACHER AT THE SCHOOL, and knows the kid personally - he really was on vacation with his family and was interviewed out there, and then this happened at his school. It's ridiculous the lengths some people are trying to go to to discredit these kids.

My complaint about the kids and the whole anti-gun movement is the same. Why are they pushing for things like an "assault weapons ban" which could not possibly have more than a minimal impact? 2/3 of our gun deaths are suicides, 2/3 of the remainder are gang related. Shouldn't we be pushing ways to deal with those things that kill 25,000+ a year, rather than outlawing a gun that looks scary but kills maybe 100?

(02-21-2018 11:48 AM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:24 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:59 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:57 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The continued attacks on these kids by some right wing nut jobs is despicable.

The people who want to disenfranchise the American people and deprive us of our fundamental human rights are not and never have been "these kids."

Of course, the Progressives, once their attempt to be rational fails, will fall back on emotion, and kids. Emotions, and kids in this case, are a completely insane way of dealing with gun control.

Well...when dealing with elected Republicans and their NRA stooge financiers, they're really left with little choice.

This talking point is the biggest load of crap that the media feeds about all this and you sheep believe it blindly. The NRA contributed barely over $1 million in the 16' election, and even $10,000 went to democratic candidates. That is NOTHING.

Meanwhile NextGen Climate donated over $35 million with 100% going to democrats. Wonder why democrats push climate change agenda so hard?

The NRA gives peanuts to the republican/conservative campaigns so the dots that the left attempts to connect about the NRA, conservative political figures, and gun violence is just another dumb lie you libs believe.

"The nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics estimated that during the 2016 election, the NRA and its affiliates spent a record $54m to secure Republican control of the White House and Congress, including at least $30.3m to help elect Donald Trump."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018...-lawmakers
Wonder why republicans push guns so hard? Also show your source on them only donating 1 million if you can even find one.

If they left would stop trying to take away our constitutional right that would be nice.

(02-21-2018 11:53 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:35 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:04 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The continued attacks on these kids by some right wing nut jobs is despicable.

I find attacks on the kids to be in bad taste.... But...
For the sake of argument Tom. They have crossed the line from mourning into political activism. Should any political activist be immune from criticism?
You know who really is despicable... The parents for letting, or pushing, their kids to be pawns in a greater political struggle.

I dare say no one is being "pushed" into anything. Why would anyone say a cross word about these kids choosing to protest & speak out against something that has directly affected their lives in a very negative way?
The smear campaign against the kid who was on TV in Cali & Florida is just ridiculous.
A friend who lives in Florida shared it on FB last night, and someone tagged a friend WHO IS A TEACHER AT THE SCHOOL, and knows the kid personally - he really was on vacation with his family and was interviewed out there, and then this happened at his school. It's ridiculous the lengths some people are trying to go to to discredit these kids.

My complaint about the kids and the whole anti-gun movement is the same. Why are they pushing for things like an "assault weapons ban" which could not possibly have more than a minimal impact? 2/3 of our gun deaths are suicides, 2/3 of the remainder are gang related. Shouldn't we be pushing ways to deal with those things that kill 25,000+ a year, rather than outlawing a gun that looks scary but kills maybe 100?

I posted in another thread where the "assault weapons ban" of the 90's actually DID reduce the number of mass shootings, UNTIL high-capacity magazines came into play to bring the numbers back up a bit. Even then, once the ban expired, the numbers shot (no pun intended) up.

As for the suicides, a national permit-to-purchase would help with that as well as general gun crimes. The examples I cited of Connecticut & Missouri implementing and in the case of Missouri, repealing it, shows that.

Bottom line, JUST outlawing a certain gun, or bump stocks, or JUST outlawing first person shooter video games, or making schools lock up/arm up, or fixing mental health won't do it. It has to be a multi-pronged approach, IMO.

(02-21-2018 11:48 AM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  "The nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics estimated that during the 2016 election, the NRA and its affiliates spent a record $54m to secure Republican control of the White House and Congress, including at least $30.3m to help elect Donald Trump."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018...-lawmakers
Wonder why republicans push guns so hard? Also show your source on them only donating 1 million if you can even find one.

"Nopartisan," "estimated," and "affiliates," are all words that need clarification in the foregoing statement.

Plotting their next move

(02-21-2018 11:35 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:04 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The continued attacks on these kids by some right wing nut jobs is despicable.

I find attacks on the kids to be in bad taste.... But...

For the sake of argument Tom. They have crossed the line from mourning into political activism. Should any political activist be immune from criticism?

You know who really is despicable... The parents for letting, or pushing, their kids to be pawns in a greater political struggle.

I dare say no one is being "pushed" into anything.

You don't know that any more than I do..

Quote:Why would anyone say a cross word about these kids choosing to protest & speak out against something that has directly affected their lives in a very negative way?

Did I say a cross word about them?

Quote:The smear campaign against the kid who was on TV in Cali & Florida is just ridiculous.

I agree... But so is telling politicians who's view on the second amendment don'tl ine up with the left that "they have blood on their hands".

I'm not saying attacking the kids is good. I'm saying when you enter politics, the theater of the ridiculous, then it's going to happen.

A wise parent would *NOT* let their kids out there to be pawns until the kids have had time to morn and process everything that's happened.

Quote:It's ridiculous the lengths some people are trying to go to to discredit these kids.

Look, I've not said a bad word about them... But this is something that they have, in part, brought on themselves by stepping into the political ring when they should be dealing with the trauma of what happened.

And *SHAME* on their parents for letting it happen.

(02-21-2018 11:58 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  As for the suicides, a national permit-to-purchase would help with that as well as general gun crimes.

I don't like the idea of the federal government telling states who can and can't buy....

BUT..

I have no qualms with the federal government providing a service to citizens where as they can have their backgrounds deeply checked to some degree to obtain certification that can then be used by the states if the state so desires.

As someone who has no intention of buying a gun I would go ahead and get a "permit to purchase". Just to have it...

(02-21-2018 11:04 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The continued attacks on these kids by some right wing nut jobs is despicable.

I find attacks on the kids to be in bad taste.... But...

For the sake of argument Tom. They have crossed the line from mourning into political activism. Should any political activist be immune from criticism?

You know who really is despicable... The parents for letting, or pushing, their kids to be pawns in a greater political struggle.

I'm in NO way criticizing folks for critiquing their politics or their activism. It's the personal nature and the stuff just being made up. But what this really tells me is that folks are getting worried. I think the wrong sleeping monster has been woke. Time will tell...

(02-21-2018 11:05 AM)Tulanefan32 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The continued attacks on these kids by some right wing nut jobs is despicable.

And if you stick up for these kids on this board you get bullied. It’s sickening what these crazy people are saying about school shooting survivors on this board. Some are even calling them actors, what kind of sick twisted world do we live in where children are attacked and harassed and bullied. This is what happens when you allow Trump to spew his hate, more follow his lead.

One word. Desperation.

(02-21-2018 11:14 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:59 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:57 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Of course, the Progressives, once their attempt to be rational fails, will fall back on emotion, and kids. Emotions, and kids in this case, are a completely insane way of dealing with gun control.

Well...when dealing with elected Republicans and their NRA stooge financiers, they're really left with little choice.

Well at least you admit you're being irrational...

No. I don't and no I didn't. Perhaps you can point to where you think I did?

(02-21-2018 11:35 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:04 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The continued attacks on these kids by some right wing nut jobs is despicable.

I find attacks on the kids to be in bad taste.... But...

For the sake of argument Tom. They have crossed the line from mourning into political activism. Should any political activist be immune from criticism?

You know who really is despicable... The parents for letting, or pushing, their kids to be pawns in a greater political struggle.

I dare say no one is being "pushed" into anything. Why would anyone say a cross word about these kids choosing to protest & speak out against something that has directly affected their lives in a very negative way?

The smear campaign against the kid who was on TV in Cali & Florida is just ridiculous.

A friend who lives in Florida shared it on FB last night, and someone tagged a friend WHO IS A TEACHER AT THE SCHOOL, and knows the kid personally - he really was on vacation with his family and was interviewed out there, and then this happened at his school. It's ridiculous the lengths some people are trying to go to to discredit these kids.

Because their protest is built upon bull****. Like the rest of you hoplophobes nothing they have demanded will stop a future mass shooting.

(02-21-2018 11:55 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:48 AM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:24 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:59 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:57 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  The people who want to disenfranchise the American people and deprive us of our fundamental human rights are not and never have been "these kids."

Of course, the Progressives, once their attempt to be rational fails, will fall back on emotion, and kids. Emotions, and kids in this case, are a completely insane way of dealing with gun control.

Well...when dealing with elected Republicans and their NRA stooge financiers, they're really left with little choice.

This talking point is the biggest load of crap that the media feeds about all this and you sheep believe it blindly. The NRA contributed barely over $1 million in the 16' election, and even $10,000 went to democratic candidates. That is NOTHING.

Meanwhile NextGen Climate donated over $35 million with 100% going to democrats. Wonder why democrats push climate change agenda so hard?

The NRA gives peanuts to the republican/conservative campaigns so the dots that the left attempts to connect about the NRA, conservative political figures, and gun violence is just another dumb lie you libs believe.

"The nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics estimated that during the 2016 election, the NRA and its affiliates spent a record $54m to secure Republican control of the White House and Congress, including at least $30.3m to help elect Donald Trump."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018...-lawmakers
Wonder why republicans push guns so hard? Also show your source on them only donating 1 million if you can even find one.

If they left would stop trying to take away our constitutional right that would be nice.

Nobody is stopping your from owning a musket and forming a well regulated militia.

(02-21-2018 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:55 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:48 AM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:24 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 10:59 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Well...when dealing with elected Republicans and their NRA stooge financiers, they're really left with little choice.

This talking point is the biggest load of crap that the media feeds about all this and you sheep believe it blindly. The NRA contributed barely over $1 million in the 16' election, and even $10,000 went to democratic candidates. That is NOTHING.

Meanwhile NextGen Climate donated over $35 million with 100% going to democrats. Wonder why democrats push climate change agenda so hard?

The NRA gives peanuts to the republican/conservative campaigns so the dots that the left attempts to connect about the NRA, conservative political figures, and gun violence is just another dumb lie you libs believe.

"The nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics estimated that during the 2016 election, the NRA and its affiliates spent a record $54m to secure Republican control of the White House and Congress, including at least $30.3m to help elect Donald Trump."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018...-lawmakers
Wonder why republicans push guns so hard? Also show your source on them only donating 1 million if you can even find one.

If they left would stop trying to take away our constitutional right that would be nice.

Nobody is stopping your from owning a musket and forming a well regulated militia.

And you guys would also amend #1 so that conservative speech would be classified as hate speech therefore illegal.

(02-21-2018 12:23 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:55 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:48 AM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:24 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  This talking point is the biggest load of crap that the media feeds about all this and you sheep believe it blindly. The NRA contributed barely over $1 million in the 16' election, and even $10,000 went to democratic candidates. That is NOTHING.

Meanwhile NextGen Climate donated over $35 million with 100% going to democrats. Wonder why democrats push climate change agenda so hard?

The NRA gives peanuts to the republican/conservative campaigns so the dots that the left attempts to connect about the NRA, conservative political figures, and gun violence is just another dumb lie you libs believe.

"The nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics estimated that during the 2016 election, the NRA and its affiliates spent a record $54m to secure Republican control of the White House and Congress, including at least $30.3m to help elect Donald Trump."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018...-lawmakers
Wonder why republicans push guns so hard? Also show your source on them only donating 1 million if you can even find one.

If they left would stop trying to take away our constitutional right that would be nice.

Nobody is stopping your from owning a musket and forming a well regulated militia.

And you guys would also amend #1 so that conservative speech would be classified as hate speech therefore illegal.

Wrong. And ridiculous.

I assume you're familiar with the process for Constitutional amendments, right?

IMO, the problem isn't the kids. They just went through hell. The problem is the adults either using and/or attacking the kids.

(02-21-2018 12:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:23 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:55 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:48 AM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  "The nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics estimated that during the 2016 election, the NRA and its affiliates spent a record $54m to secure Republican control of the White House and Congress, including at least $30.3m to help elect Donald Trump."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018...-lawmakers
Wonder why republicans push guns so hard? Also show your source on them only donating 1 million if you can even find one.

If they left would stop trying to take away our constitutional right that would be nice.

Nobody is stopping your from owning a musket and forming a well regulated militia.

And you guys would also amend #1 so that conservative speech would be classified as hate speech therefore illegal.

Wrong. And ridiculous.

I assume you're familiar with the process for Constitutional amendments, right?

(02-21-2018 12:26 PM)VA49er Wrote:  IMO, the problem isn't the kids. They just went through hell. The problem is the adults either using and/or attacking the kids.

Don't think so. You got kids? I can barely get my daughter to throw away trash in her bedroom!

(02-21-2018 12:23 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:55 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:48 AM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 11:24 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  This talking point is the biggest load of crap that the media feeds about all this and you sheep believe it blindly. The NRA contributed barely over $1 million in the 16' election, and even $10,000 went to democratic candidates. That is NOTHING.

Meanwhile NextGen Climate donated over $35 million with 100% going to democrats. Wonder why democrats push climate change agenda so hard?

The NRA gives peanuts to the republican/conservative campaigns so the dots that the left attempts to connect about the NRA, conservative political figures, and gun violence is just another dumb lie you libs believe.

"The nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics estimated that during the 2016 election, the NRA and its affiliates spent a record $54m to secure Republican control of the White House and Congress, including at least $30.3m to help elect Donald Trump."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018...-lawmakers
Wonder why republicans push guns so hard? Also show your source on them only donating 1 million if you can even find one.

If they left would stop trying to take away our constitutional right that would be nice.

Nobody is stopping your from owning a musket and forming a well regulated militia.

And you guys would also amend #1 so that conservative speech would be classified as hate speech therefore illegal.

Nah....if we use their faulty logic the only venues assured freedom of speech are newspapers and books printed on a late 18th/early 19th century printing press and the non-electronically amplified spoken voice. I mean if we are going to hold the Second Amendment to the level of technology at the time why not the First?