(02-21-2018 12:12 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: It's the personal nature and the stuff just being made up. But what this really tells me is that folks are getting worried.
No... this is par for the course in Politics, it just is. The kids are young and ignorant of that fact. You, Me, and the parents.... Well we know better.
Quote:I think the wrong sleeping monster has been woke. Time will tell...
Maybe... Then again we heard the same thing when the million mom's marched.... It's the emotional argument of the left ton guns which is so bereft of facts and reason it requires them to hide behind human shields... (moms, kids, etc..)
(02-21-2018 12:26 PM)VA49er Wrote: IMO, the problem isn't the kids. They just went through hell. The problem is the adults either using and/or attacking the kids.
Don't think so. You got kids? I can barely get my daughter to throw away trash in her bedroom!
But you can keep CNN from putting her on camera... Stop being stupid, you know wht he meant...
(02-21-2018 11:48 AM)tennis2k4 Wrote: "The nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics estimated that during the 2016 election, the NRA and its affiliates spent a record $54m to secure Republican control of the White House and Congress, including at least $30.3m to help elect Donald Trump." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018...-lawmakers Wonder why republicans push guns so hard? Also show your source on them only donating 1 million if you can even find one.
If they left would stop trying to take away our constitutional right that would be nice.
Nobody is stopping your from owning a musket and forming a well regulated militia.
And you guys would also amend #1 so that conservative speech would be classified as hate speech therefore illegal.
Nah....if we use their faulty logic the only venues assured freedom of speech are newspapers and books printed on a late 18th/early 19th century printing press and the non-electronically amplified spoken voice. I mean if we are going to hold the Second Amendment to the level of technology at the time why not the First?
I assume you're also aware of the Constitutional authority granted to our elected officials to place limitations on rights for the good of the whole right? Like banning "Fire" in a movie theater and not letting you own nuclear weapons.
(02-21-2018 12:26 PM)VA49er Wrote: IMO, the problem isn't the kids. They just went through hell. The problem is the adults either using and/or attacking the kids.
Don't think so. You got kids? I can barely get my daughter to throw away trash in her bedroom!
But you can keep CNN from putting her on camera... Stop being stupid, you know wht he meant...
And don't call me stupid. And I don't for one minute believe that you'd prevent your high school aged child from speaking passionately about a right or issue they believed in, even to CNN!
(02-21-2018 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Nobody is stopping your from owning a musket and forming a well regulated militia.
And you guys would also amend #1 so that conservative speech would be classified as hate speech therefore illegal.
Wrong. And ridiculous.
I assume you're familiar with the process for Constitutional amendments, right?
Dude...it's one person's sign! Hardly an endorsed or concerted effort to amend the Constitution!
How about the a long standing prominent democratic senator?
"In a proposed amendment to a media shield law being considered by Congress, Feinstein writes that only paid journalists should be given protections from prosecution for what they say or write. "
(02-21-2018 12:23 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: And you guys would also amend #1 so that conservative speech would be classified as hate speech therefore illegal.
Wrong. And ridiculous.
I assume you're familiar with the process for Constitutional amendments, right?
Dude...it's one person's sign! Hardly an endorsed or concerted effort to amend the Constitution!
How about the a long standing prominent democratic senator?
"In a proposed amendment to a media shield law being considered by Congress, Feinstein writes that only paid journalists should be given protections from prosecution for what they say or write. "
The problem with liberals is they don’t understand that this monster of a kid is a novice compared to Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, etc. The founding fathers gifted us the ability to fight back against a tyrannical government they knew would eventually raise its head. They knew that anything they created could be corrupted by men and therefore they gave us the 2nd amendment. “Any man who gives up his freedom for safety will have neither”.
(02-21-2018 12:26 PM)VA49er Wrote: IMO, the problem isn't the kids. They just went through hell. The problem is the adults either using and/or attacking the kids.
Don't think so. You got kids? I can barely get my daughter to throw away trash in her bedroom!
Yep, I have two. I was referring to these kids being manipulated by adults and then attackers misplacing anger that should be placed upon said manipulators but instead directed towards the kids. These kids are still traumatized and haven't had time to process what happened or go through the grieving process. It's not the time for adults to throw them in front of cameras, etc.
(02-21-2018 12:32 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote: But you can keep CNN from putting her on camera... Stop being stupid, you know wht he meant...
And don't call me stupid.
Oh unwad your panties... I did not "call you stupid" I said you were "being stupid" as in intentionally obtuse.
Quote:And I don't for one minute believe that you'd prevent your high school aged child from speaking passionately about a right or issue they believed in, even to CNN!
If my kid was suffering the effects of a traumatic event for which *CONSOLING* and introspection was needed, you can be damn sure I would keep them off CNN until such time as they had been though the emotional and psychological care needed to start properly healing.
Now *I* would get in front of the camera right away, I would speak out... But my job, as a parent, is to protect my kids and help them to grow to the point where said protection is not needed.
Letting you kids onto CNN the day this happens (or the week this happens) is like letting a camera crew into the OR to interview your kid after a bad car accident while the doctor is cutting them open. FFS these parents are awful...
It's irresponsible in the extreme.
(This post was last modified: 02-21-2018 12:44 PM by Bull_Is_Back.)
(02-21-2018 10:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: The continued attacks on these kids by some right wing nut jobs is despicable.
I find attacks on the kids to be in bad taste.... But...
For the sake of argument Tom. They have crossed the line from mourning into political activism. Should any political activist be immune from criticism?
You know who really is despicable... The parents for letting, or pushing, their kids to be pawns in a greater political struggle.
I dare say no one is being "pushed" into anything.
You don't know that any more than I do..
Quote:Why would anyone say a cross word about these kids choosing to protest & speak out against something that has directly affected their lives in a very negative way?
Did I say a cross word about them?
Quote:The smear campaign against the kid who was on TV in Cali & Florida is just ridiculous.
I agree... But so is telling politicians who's view on the second amendment don'tl ine up with the left that "they have blood on their hands".
I'm not saying attacking the kids is good. I'm saying when you enter politics, the theater of the ridiculous, then it's going to happen.
A wise parent would *NOT* let their kids out there to be pawns until the kids have had time to morn and process everything that's happened.
Quote:It's ridiculous the lengths some people are trying to go to to discredit these kids.
Look, I've not said a bad word about them... But this is something that they have, in part, brought on themselves by stepping into the political ring when they should be dealing with the trauma of what happened.
And *SHAME* on their parents for letting it happen.
My comments weren't solely directed toward you, but it's foolish to think that the parents pushed the kids into doing any of this, and even more foolish to say that the parents shouldn't let them.
Isn't one of the complaints about kids today that they're all coddled by their parents? Here you have examples of kids whose parents are not coddling - they're letting them have their grief and work through it in a way they feel is best, and they're giving them support. Why are some giving such blowback about it? Do they feel threatened?
After I was a victim of crime, I became very involved in neighborhood & community efforts to reduce crime. That made me feel better than anything else - I felt like I was helping to change the situation instead of sitting in my house mourning it.
Kudos to these parents who are letting these kids work through their grief in a manner that helps them feel like they are working toward a solution. I'm sure they've had the discussions with them about the ignorant comments they will hear from some people out there, but these kids are more versed in social media than any of us are - I'm sure they were fully aware of what they would hear.
(This post was last modified: 02-21-2018 12:50 PM by tigergreen.)
(02-21-2018 10:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: The continued attacks on these kids by some right wing nut jobs is despicable.
The people who want to disenfranchise the American people and deprive us of our fundamental human rights are not and never have been "these kids."
Of course, the Progressives, once their attempt to be rational fails, will fall back on emotion, and kids. Emotions, and kids in this case, are a completely insane way of dealing with gun control.
Well...when dealing with elected Republicans and their NRA stooge financiers, they're really left with little choice.
This talking point is the biggest load of crap that the media feeds about all this and you sheep believe it blindly. The NRA contributed barely over $1 million in the 16' election, and even $10,000 went to democratic candidates. That is NOTHING.
Meanwhile NextGen Climate donated over $35 million with 100% going to democrats. Wonder why democrats push climate change agenda so hard?
The NRA gives peanuts to the republican/conservative campaigns so the dots that the left attempts to connect about the NRA, conservative political figures, and gun violence is just another dumb lie you libs believe.
"The nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics estimated that during the 2016 election, the NRA and its affiliates spent a record $54m to secure Republican control of the White House and Congress, including at least $30.3m to help elect Donald Trump." https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018...-lawmakers
Wonder why republicans push guns so hard? Also show your source on them only donating 1 million if you can even find one.
The $1M figure is the amount of money given directly to politicians for their campaign.
About $3-4M spent lobbying.
$50M+ on outside spending on their own to endorse whoever they want (mostly Republicans). TV commercials, Radio, Internet, Signage, etc.
The NRA is no different than Political Arm of Planned Parenthood, NARAL or Population Connection who spend predominately Democrat for the abortion issue.
(02-21-2018 10:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: The continued attacks on these kids by some right wing nut jobs is despicable.
And if you stick up for these kids on this board you get bullied. It’s sickening what these crazy people are saying about school shooting survivors on this board. Some are even calling them actors, what kind of sick twisted world do we live in where children are attacked and harassed and bullied. This is what happens when you allow Trump to spew his hate, more follow his lead.
If you can't take this, log off. Don't come here crying.
(02-21-2018 10:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: The continued attacks on these kids by some right wing nut jobs is despicable.
And if you stick up for these kids on this board you get bullied. It’s sickening what these crazy people are saying about school shooting survivors on this board. Some are even calling them actors, what kind of sick twisted world do we live in where children are attacked and harassed and bullied. This is what happens when you allow Trump to spew his hate, more follow his lead.
If you can't take this, log off. Don't come here crying.
Dude, stop with the childishness please. If you don't like his opinion, ignore it. Don't pretend like nobody on the right has never said they were sickened by anything on this board.
That goes for you too. You want to tell everyone what to do but we can't express our opinion. Go piss up a rope.
(02-21-2018 10:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: The continued attacks on these kids by some right wing nut jobs is despicable.
And if you stick up for these kids on this board you get bullied. It’s sickening what these crazy people are saying about school shooting survivors on this board. Some are even calling them actors, what kind of sick twisted world do we live in where children are attacked and harassed and bullied. This is what happens when you allow Trump to spew his hate, more follow his lead.
If you can't take this, log off. Don't come here crying.
Dude, stop with the childishness please. If you don't like his opinion, ignore it. Don't pretend like nobody on the right has never said they were sickened by anything on this board.
That goes for you too. You want to tell everyone what to do but we can't express our opinion. Go piss up a rope.
Again...ridiculous. Never said anyone here can't express an opinion.
(02-21-2018 12:46 PM)tigergreen Wrote: My comments weren't solely directed toward you, but it's foolish to think that the parents pushed the kids into doing any of this, and even more foolish to say that the parents shouldn't let them.
It's only foolish if you somehow know that no parent has said "you should do this"... And FFS if you think that what these kids are doing is good for their long term emotional state after going through what they did....
Then you are nobody to call me foolish.
Quote:Isn't one of the complaints about kids today that they're all coddled by their parents?
This is not mom and dad calling the school because someone hurt their feelings. This is the type of trauma that scars emotionally mature adults for life, imagine what it can do to an adolocent!
Quote:Here you have examples of kids whose parents are not coddling - they're letting them have their grief and work through it in a way they feel is best.
Saying "they are working though their grief" is akin to saying a kid drinking vodka to kill a headache is "working though their pain". This is emotional candy, at best, and a slow working posion at worst.
Quote:Why are some giving such blowback about it? Do they feel threatened?
No, they are getting blow back because thats politics. When I was in college I had a grown person threaten to "kick me in the head" for being prelife and speaking about it on campus... Did he feel threatened? or was he just pissed and reacting poorly?
Quote:After I was a victim of crime, I became very involved in neighborhood & community efforts to reduce crime.
