(02-20-2018 01:50 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 11:25 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 11:10 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  This is why it's in no ones best interest to willingly speak with Muellers team. This guy probably misspoke about something and now he's been indicted for lying to the DOJ. Even if he willingly lied this hardly rises to any level of collusion by Trump, and I thought this was what the entire investigation was based on. It is indeed an investigation looking for a crime.

I suspect that Mueller's gameplan is that if you indict or intimidate enough people, eventually SOMEBODY has got to have SOMETHING on Trump that he can use against Trump. Surely the man stepped on a duckling or something worthy of impeachment.

Yeah, Trump needs to tell Mueller & Crew, "phuck-off", when they come around again asking for an interview.

Well he's clearly going after Manafort. The government has been throwing everything it could at him for 5 or 6 years. He may have laundered money, but it seems mainly motivated by him consulting for the opposite side the US government supported in the Ukraine.

If the gubmint has been after Manafort forever and this is the means by which they can bring him to trial, then have it. Exploit that opportunity. But for crying out loud, can at some point someone admit that none of it has anything to do with Russian collusion? Or is it as the leftist said the other day, collusion is now a strawman?

Not a strawman...just very hard to prove...and not really a punishable offense by our laws.

trump's likely problem is that he was too dumb to just let it go, so if anything, he'll end up with an obstruction of justice charge and/or lying to the FBI charge if he ever actually talks to Mueller. And yes, those are serious crimes.

(02-20-2018 01:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:50 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 11:25 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 11:10 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  This is why it's in no ones best interest to willingly speak with Muellers team. This guy probably misspoke about something and now he's been indicted for lying to the DOJ. Even if he willingly lied this hardly rises to any level of collusion by Trump, and I thought this was what the entire investigation was based on. It is indeed an investigation looking for a crime.

I suspect that Mueller's gameplan is that if you indict or intimidate enough people, eventually SOMEBODY has got to have SOMETHING on Trump that he can use against Trump. Surely the man stepped on a duckling or something worthy of impeachment.

Yeah, Trump needs to tell Mueller & Crew, "phuck-off", when they come around again asking for an interview.

Well he's clearly going after Manafort. The government has been throwing everything it could at him for 5 or 6 years. He may have laundered money, but it seems mainly motivated by him consulting for the opposite side the US government supported in the Ukraine.

If the gubmint has been after Manafort forever and this is the means by which they can bring him to trial, then have it. Exploit that opportunity. But for crying out loud, can at some point someone admit that none of it has anything to do with Russian collusion? Or is it as the leftist said the other day, collusion is now a strawman?

Not a strawman...just very hard to prove...and not really a punishable offense by our laws.

trump's likely problem is that he was too dumb to just let it go, so if anything, he'll end up with an obstruction of justice charge and/or lying to the FBI charge if he ever actually talks to Mueller. And yes, those are serious crimes.

comey already blew obstruction out of the water with his testimony.

(02-20-2018 01:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:50 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 11:25 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 11:10 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  This is why it's in no ones best interest to willingly speak with Muellers team. This guy probably misspoke about something and now he's been indicted for lying to the DOJ. Even if he willingly lied this hardly rises to any level of collusion by Trump, and I thought this was what the entire investigation was based on. It is indeed an investigation looking for a crime.

I suspect that Mueller's gameplan is that if you indict or intimidate enough people, eventually SOMEBODY has got to have SOMETHING on Trump that he can use against Trump. Surely the man stepped on a duckling or something worthy of impeachment.

Yeah, Trump needs to tell Mueller & Crew, "phuck-off", when they come around again asking for an interview.

Well he's clearly going after Manafort. The government has been throwing everything it could at him for 5 or 6 years. He may have laundered money, but it seems mainly motivated by him consulting for the opposite side the US government supported in the Ukraine.

If the gubmint has been after Manafort forever and this is the means by which they can bring him to trial, then have it. Exploit that opportunity. But for crying out loud, can at some point someone admit that none of it has anything to do with Russian collusion? Or is it as the leftist said the other day, collusion is now a strawman?

Not a strawman...just very hard to prove...and not really a punishable offense by our laws.

trump's likely problem is that he was too dumb to just let it go, so if anything, he'll end up with an obstruction of justice charge and/or lying to the FBI charge if he ever actually talks to Mueller. And yes, those are serious crimes.

“To dumb” is in the process of destroying the to smart by half democrat party.

(02-20-2018 12:58 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Are we ever going to see an indictment of an actual crime?
If this is it...well shut it down. Mueller is just ruining people’s lives now because he can. There should be INTENT to lie to cover up something. None of that here just screwed up meaningless dates.

Before the indictments, many Republicans refused to even admit the Russians interference in the election. Trump said China might have done it... or some fat guy on a couch. Now, we have a better understanding of their involvement. The first step is determining if the Russians were involved and Mueller has placed a check in that box.

Cry me a river Dems. Killary didn’t lose because of Russia she lost because she’s human garbage and very likely a criminal.

(02-20-2018 01:12 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 11:16 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  "Lying" lol.

Well he apparently also hid information.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...spartanntp

I still wonder what this has to do with US Justice. It seems more like something for the Ukranians to pursue. This is about the Ukranian government at the time jailing political opponent Tymanshenko.

Lol

He’s essentially being charged with failing to produce emails that were asked for. As in 2 or 3 emails.


Uhhhhhhhj...

(02-20-2018 02:41 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 12:58 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Are we ever going to see an indictment of an actual crime?
If this is it...well shut it down. Mueller is just ruining people’s lives now because he can. There should be INTENT to lie to cover up something. None of that here just screwed up meaningless dates.

Before the indictments, many Republicans refused to even admit the Russians interference in the election. Trump said China might have done it... or some fat guy on a couch. Now, we have a better understanding of their involvement. The first step is determining if the Russians were involved and Mueller has placed a check in that box.

This narrative is flawed. The dems wanted to use Russian meddling as an excuse for why they lost. For crying out loud you leftist get turned the wrong way easily by the MSM. Trump said there was no collusion with his campaign. As for the meddling he is exactly correct. Many entities tried to meddle in the election. Some foreign, some domestic but all with nefarious intentions. May be a surprise to you leftists but it has happened EVERY election.

(02-20-2018 02:38 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:50 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 11:25 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  I suspect that Mueller's gameplan is that if you indict or intimidate enough people, eventually SOMEBODY has got to have SOMETHING on Trump that he can use against Trump. Surely the man stepped on a duckling or something worthy of impeachment.

Yeah, Trump needs to tell Mueller & Crew, "phuck-off", when they come around again asking for an interview.

Well he's clearly going after Manafort. The government has been throwing everything it could at him for 5 or 6 years. He may have laundered money, but it seems mainly motivated by him consulting for the opposite side the US government supported in the Ukraine.

If the gubmint has been after Manafort forever and this is the means by which they can bring him to trial, then have it. Exploit that opportunity. But for crying out loud, can at some point someone admit that none of it has anything to do with Russian collusion? Or is it as the leftist said the other day, collusion is now a strawman?

Not a strawman...just very hard to prove...and not really a punishable offense by our laws.

trump's likely problem is that he was too dumb to just let it go, so if anything, he'll end up with an obstruction of justice charge and/or lying to the FBI charge if he ever actually talks to Mueller. And yes, those are serious crimes.

“To dumb” is in the process of destroying the to smart by half democrat party.

Pfft...they don't need ANY help in that regard. Their incompetence accomplished that task all on its own. Regardless, it would be wise to wait until November to plant that flag.

(02-20-2018 02:41 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 12:58 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Are we ever going to see an indictment of an actual crime?
If this is it...well shut it down. Mueller is just ruining people’s lives now because he can. There should be INTENT to lie to cover up something. None of that here just screwed up meaningless dates.

Before the indictments, many Republicans refused to even admit the Russians interference in the election. Trump said China might have done it... or some fat guy on a couch. Now, we have a better understanding of their involvement. The first step is determining if the Russians were involved and Mueller has placed a check in that box.

Ha!

I don’t recall, and can’t think of a single person that doubted those diabolical ROOOSKIES!!! were doing their usual, typical schit. Just like we do, and both countries have done for 100 years now.

It’s whether it was anything of significance and is that what cost the Cank her right to the throne?

I’d say their investing heavily in places like DC, which is already 94% dims, I’d say no. It was a fools errand.

100 grand in bookface ads...

Lol. Jimmy with Zyppah advertises more heavily than that...

(02-20-2018 02:44 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Cry me a river Dems. Killary didn’t lose because of Russia she lost because she’s human garbage and very likely a criminal.

In what way is Trump different from your description of killary? Is killary a real person? Do you believe in the secret society?

(02-20-2018 04:04 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 02:44 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Cry me a river Dems. Killary didn’t lose because of Russia she lost because she’s human garbage and very likely a criminal.

In what way is Trump different from your description of killary? Is killary a real person? Do you believe in the secret society?

The difference is Trump is way way worse. He used Russia to cheat the election and now it is coming back on him. He is evil and a vile human being. No way does he get elected fairly. This country is smarter than that.

(02-20-2018 04:07 PM)Tulanefan32 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:04 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 02:44 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Cry me a river Dems. Killary didn’t lose because of Russia she lost because she’s human garbage and very likely a criminal.

In what way is Trump different from your description of killary? Is killary a real person? Do you believe in the secret society?

The difference is Trump is way way worse. He used Russia to cheat the election and now it is coming back on him. He is evil and a vile human being. No way does he get elected fairly. This country is smarter than that.

I'm gonna need you to show your work and link up.

(02-20-2018 04:17 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:07 PM)Tulanefan32 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:04 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 02:44 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Cry me a river Dems. Killary didn’t lose because of Russia she lost because she’s human garbage and very likely a criminal.

In what way is Trump different from your description of killary? Is killary a real person? Do you believe in the secret society?

The difference is Trump is way way worse. He used Russia to cheat the election and now it is coming back on him. He is evil and a vile human being. No way does he get elected fairly. This country is smarter than that.

I'm gonna need you to show your work and link up.

Don’t worry mueller will provide me with plenty of links real real soon.

(02-20-2018 04:26 PM)Tulanefan32 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:17 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:07 PM)Tulanefan32 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:04 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 02:44 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Cry me a river Dems. Killary didn’t lose because of Russia she lost because she’s human garbage and very likely a criminal.

In what way is Trump different from your description of killary? Is killary a real person? Do you believe in the secret society?

The difference is Trump is way way worse. He used Russia to cheat the election and now it is coming back on him. He is evil and a vile human being. No way does he get elected fairly. This country is smarter than that.

I'm gonna need you to show your work and link up.

Don’t worry mueller will provide me with plenty of links real real soon.

So no link to back up your baseless claim? Go home then.

(02-20-2018 04:42 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:26 PM)Tulanefan32 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:17 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:07 PM)Tulanefan32 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:04 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  In what way is Trump different from your description of killary? Is killary a real person? Do you believe in the secret society?

The difference is Trump is way way worse. He used Russia to cheat the election and now it is coming back on him. He is evil and a vile human being. No way does he get elected fairly. This country is smarter than that.

I'm gonna need you to show your work and link up.

Don’t worry mueller will provide me with plenty of links real real soon.

So no link to back up your baseless claim? Go home then.

Pfft...when was that ever requirement for your side here?

But back to the OP. More than anything, this indictment is just a warning shot to others...don't eff with me. Signed, Bob Mueller.

(02-20-2018 04:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:42 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:26 PM)Tulanefan32 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:17 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:07 PM)Tulanefan32 Wrote:  The difference is Trump is way way worse. He used Russia to cheat the election and now it is coming back on him. He is evil and a vile human being. No way does he get elected fairly. This country is smarter than that.

I'm gonna need you to show your work and link up.

Don’t worry mueller will provide me with plenty of links real real soon.

So no link to back up your baseless claim? Go home then.

Pfft...when was that ever requirement for your side here?

I'm sorry, did the blind linker just criticize someone. You go piss up a rope too.

(02-20-2018 04:07 PM)Tulanefan32 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:04 PM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 02:44 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Cry me a river Dems. Killary didn’t lose because of Russia she lost because she’s human garbage and very likely a criminal.

In what way is Trump different from your description of killary? Is killary a real person? Do you believe in the secret society?

The difference is Trump is way way worse. He used Russia to cheat the election and now it is coming back on him. He is evil and a vile human being. No way does he get elected fairly. This country is smarter than that.

I bet you're gonna shyte a brick when he gets re-elected.

(02-20-2018 02:20 PM)Kronke Wrote:  comey already blew obstruction out of the water with his testimony.

Yeah, I'm recalling Gowdy's comments. Gowdy actually read the memos Comey wrote and said something on the order of......those memos would be defense Exhibit A, not prosecution Exhibit A, in an obstruction of justice case. Gowdy should know as a former prosecutor what's good for the defense and what's not.

Gowdy also said that if Comey was trying to imply in the memos that he thought Trump tried to obstruct justice, he did a masterful job of hiding it.