(02-20-2018 04:59 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 03:57 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The internet and computers has made it easier to get guns, not harder. Hell, people are seling guns on Craigslist and Facebook. The problem is people but its also the ease in which those people can legally get their hands on a gun. If you have to be 21 to buy alcohol, then you should have to be 21 to buy a gun.

Perhaps we should require people with certain types of guns to insure those guns like an automobile is insured.

Things that can inflict such destruction come with tremendous responsibility. Right now, we're tougher on selling prescription drugs than we are selling guns.

This post made me think of this:
http://csnbbs.com/thread-843173.html

Facebook prohibits the private sale of guns on it's page.
https://www.facebook.com/help/1790375024..._permalink

Quote:The purchase, sale or trade of firearms, ammunition and explosives between private individuals isn't allowed on Facebook. Please refer to this help center article for a list of items covered by this policy.
Firearm shops and online retailers are allowed to engage in commercial activity involving firearms and ammunition on Facebook (ex: offering a gun for sale) as long as all applicable laws and regulations are followed.

As does Craigslist
https://www.craigslist.org/about/prohibited

Quote:Prohibited

Users must comply with all applicable laws, the CL terms of use, and all posted site rules.

Here is a partial list of goods, services, and content prohibited on craigslist:

weapons; firearms/guns and components; BB/pellet, stun, and spear guns; etc
ammunition, clips, cartridges, reloading materials, gunpowder, fireworks, explosives

As for more easily available, prior to 1968 you could buy guns by mail order. In most states no background check, no permit to purchase, etc. Just send them a check and in a few days the firearm was in your hands. Since there was no federal firearms license requirement guns were sold everywhere. Sears, JC Penny, even Western Auto. I can remember my uncles talking about how they would go browse the guns in the dry goods side of a local store while my Grandmother bought groceries. One of my uncles still has an Astra pistol that he ordered from a catalog with money given to him by my Grandfather for getting good grades his 9th grade year.

I would suggest the prior to making statements that you actually educate yourself with facts instead of propaganda lest you look foolish.

they easily get around the restrictions on facebook and craigslist by posting them in barter and trade groups and not mentioning "gun" in the headline.

And when Facebook either catches them or gets a report they delete the post and warn the page owner. If they continuously have violations they will shut down the page and/or ban the user. An outdoor gear page I used got shut down last summer because of a couple posts the site owner missed while having and recovering from back surgery.

But I highly doubt that the illicit arms trade is thriving because of Facebook and Craigslist. I haven't seen any research indicating that criminals are buying their guns off either site or online whatsoever. Far too great a risk of it being either a sting by law enforcement or a set up for a robbery by another criminal.

(02-20-2018 03:57 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The internet and computers has made it easier to get guns, not harder. Hell, people are seling guns on Craigslist and Facebook.

So go arrest those people because it's against the law. You may find an ad, but I know lots of ads on CL and FB are for registered businesses.

Quote:The problem is people but its also the ease in which those people can legally get their hands on a gun. If you have to be 21 to buy alcohol, then you should have to be 21 to buy a gun.

I wouldn't have a problem with that, but your argument WAS that things are easier... This is a different argument.
There didn't used to be an age limit at all.... so regardless of what you say here, it's harder.

Quote:Perhaps we should require people with certain types of guns to insure those guns like an automobile is insured.

You're only required to carry liability insurance... and people are already legally liable. outside of people intent on committing crime (who wouldn't therefore buy insurance) 10 times the number of people are killed with cars each year... can't say it's working... but it's something I'd consider. The problem is, state regulations transfer risk... so you're asking the public to subsidize criminals. That's going to be a tough sell.

Quote:Things that can inflict such destruction come with tremendous responsibility. Right now, we're tougher on selling prescription drugs than we are selling guns.

Not really.... and many more die from opiod addiction alone than from guns.

(02-20-2018 04:29 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  As for more easily available, prior to 1968 you could buy guns by mail order. In most states no background check, no permit to purchase, etc. Just send them a check and in a few days the firearm was in your hands. Since there was no federal firearms license requirement guns were sold everywhere. Sears, JC Penny, even Western Auto. I can remember my uncles talking about how they would go browse the guns in the dry goods side of a local store while my Grandmother bought groceries. One of my uncles still has an Astra pistol that he ordered from a catalog with money given to him by my Grandfather for getting good grades his 9th grade year.

This is what i meant... and it's true. Even after 1968, you could still walk into a store and walk out with most guns. No license... no background check... yet people didn't shoot up schools nearly as often as today. Heck, it wasn't until just a few years ago (and still not 100%) that a state background check involved checking other states.

The internet has made getting PRICES easier, but not getting guns... other than illegal transactions, which are by definition, illegal.

This is where we always seem to go with this stuff. Criminals are breaking laws and we can't stop them, so let's make other people 'criminals' so that we can pretend that we've done something when we start charging THOSE people with crimes.