https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...penalties/

So does Michigan hang a banner?

I promise to try my best to forget which team was holding the trophy at the end of that game. But it won't be easy. It might be easier if I cared.

Wow, just wow .... a National Championship stripped ...

(02-20-2018 12:53 PM)ken d Wrote:  I promise to try my best to forget which team was holding the trophy at the end of that game. But it won't be easy. It might be easier if I cared.

Not caring is a "you" problem. It's not the NCAA's problem. Anyone who cares about college athletics *does* care.

In my mind, Louisville is back to zero national titles since 1986. They won't take as big of a reputational hit as Michigan, UNLV, Ohio State, or Memphis did because they have a lot more history than any of those programs.

(02-20-2018 01:06 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 12:53 PM)ken d Wrote:  I promise to try my best to forget which team was holding the trophy at the end of that game. But it won't be easy. It might be easier if I cared.

Not caring is a "you" problem. It's not the NCAA's problem. Anyone who cares about college athletics *does* care.

In my mind, Louisville is back to zero national titles since 1986.

Not just in your mind, but officially. The title they were awarded in 2013 was an NCAA title, so of course the NCAA has the power to strip it away, like the IOC stripping a gold medal from a doper. What happened "on the court" is meaningless, because only the NCAA organization and imprimatur gave meaning to the games Louisville won on the courts during the tournament as advancing towards and culminating in a championship anyway.

The title only means something because it has (had) the endorsement of the NCAA. Sans that endorsement, it doesn't exist.

Means nothing except to egos of some NCAA fat cats and Pitino's legacy.

(02-20-2018 01:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Wow, just wow .... a National Championship stripped ...

Some member of the ACC had to atone for decades of North Carolina's sins.

(02-20-2018 01:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Wow, just wow .... a National Championship stripped ...

Some member of the ACC had to atone for decades of North Carolina's sins.

The UNC decision still boggles the mind. If the NCAA hasn't the power to punish UNC for that, and that's basically what they said, then they really have no reason to be in business. It's crazy.

My only hope is the NCAA is consistent and strips away all of UNC's titles from recent vintage. Sorry OP...

Can't say that I feel badly for Pitino & Co., but the entire idea of pretending the games didn't happen or that Louisville didn't win is bogus.

Real life is not "Men In Black" and it's silly to pretend that the NCAA or IOC or whomever can use a memory eraser on all of us.

The better approach is to say, "They cheated to win." Or more accurately, "They cheated to win and were eventually caught," to distinguish them from those who were not caught.

(02-20-2018 01:48 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Can't say that I feel badly for Pitino & Co., but the entire idea of pretending the games didn't happen or that Louisville didn't win is bogus.

Real life is not "Men In Black" and it's silly to pretend that the NCAA or IOC or whomever can use a memory eraser on all of us.

The better approach is to say, "They cheated to win." Or more accurately, "They cheated to win and were eventually caught," to distinguish them from those who were not caught.

30 font asterisks everywhere.

(02-20-2018 01:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Wow, just wow .... a National Championship stripped ...

Some member of the ACC had to atone for decades of North Carolina's sins.

The UNC decision still boggles the mind. If the NCAA hasn't the power to punish UNC for that, and that's basically what they said, then they really have no reason to be in business. It's crazy.

You're only boggled by this because you don't live in North Carolina. No one in this state ever really expected anything to stick to God's Gift to College Basketball. Go check out the Alma Maters of some of these NCAA folks and their friends at ESPN. You'll quickly learn which schools are untouchable.

(02-20-2018 01:48 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Can't say that I feel badly for Pitino & Co., but the entire idea of pretending the games didn't happen or that Louisville didn't win is bogus.

Real life is not "Men In Black" and it's silly to pretend that the NCAA or IOC or whomever can use a memory eraser on all of us.

The better approach is to say, "They cheated to win." Or more accurately, "They cheated to win and were eventually caught," to distinguish them from those who were not caught.

I couldn't agree more. If you were to tell me that more than half of all NCAA titles were won by teams that cheated I wouldn't be surprised in the least. In fact, I'd be surprised if it weren't true. But pretending that some tournaments weren't won by the only team that didn't lose a game is just silly in my view.

(02-20-2018 01:48 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Can't say that I feel badly for Pitino & Co., but the entire idea of pretending the games didn't happen or that Louisville didn't win is bogus.

Real life is not "Men In Black" and it's silly to pretend that the NCAA or IOC or whomever can use a memory eraser on all of us.

The better approach is to say, "They cheated to win." Or more accurately, "They cheated to win and were eventually caught," to distinguish them from those who were not caught.

All you need to do is put an asterisk next to it. Problem solved. People will still get it.

Are the penalties due to illegal payment to players, or is this the result of Louisville providing prostitutes to the teenage youngsters being recruited by the basketball team? With Louisville you need a scorecard to keep track of which reprehensible behavior is the subject of discussion.

As if what was alleged at Louisville isn't happening everywhere.

(02-20-2018 02:01 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Wow, just wow .... a National Championship stripped ...

Some member of the ACC had to atone for decades of North Carolina's sins.

The UNC decision still boggles the mind. If the NCAA hasn't the power to punish UNC for that, and that's basically what they said, then they really have no reason to be in business. It's crazy.

You're only boggled by this because you don't live in North Carolina. No one in this state ever really expected anything to stick to God's Gift to College Basketball. Go check out the Alma Maters of some of these NCAA folks and their friends at ESPN. You'll quickly learn which schools are untouchable.

I grew up in Maryland, within a stone's throw of College Park, where the feeling at UofM and throughout the DC area was that the ACC was run from Chapel Hill and the Dean Dome, with a powerful auxiliary a few miles away in Durham, so I know all about that.

But I didn't think UNC was untouchable in a national sense, at the NCAA level.

I was wrong.

(02-20-2018 01:48 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Can't say that I feel badly for Pitino & Co., but the entire idea of pretending the games didn't happen or that Louisville didn't win is bogus.

Real life is not "Men In Black" and it's silly to pretend that the NCAA or IOC or whomever can use a memory eraser on all of us.

It's not a question of "erasing a memory", as the memory only had meaning because at the time because we believed we were watching an NCAA title being won.

Now, when we watch those clips, we know it wasn't. So the mind can easily handle that. Mine is.

But we don't know if others weren't cheating. And so what. Short of runners off the street coming into play games and NBA level salaries (i.e. much more than pocket change, cars and expensive gifts) and point shaving, the games happened and we can't just take them out our memory.

It's entirely possible and arguably probable CCNY's title was tainted by point shaving but it probably won't be stripped.