The unofficial online home for fans of the Old Dominion University Monarchs. Part of Collegiate Sports Nation (CSN).

Damn Tarheels at it again...oh wait. Nope, Louisville.

Well there goes their title. and over 100 wins. Should've just stuck to fake classes

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...onal-title

College basketball is the sleaziest of them all - not even close. I stopped watching years ago. I can’t wait until the FBI investigation is complete and these NCAA basketball roaches are exposed.

(02-20-2018 01:07 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  Damn Tarheels at it again...oh wait. Nope, Louisville.

Well there goes their title. and over 100 wins. Should've just stuck to fake classes

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...onal-title

Lap dances for players is a major violation but student athletes who aren't actual students is AOK.

(02-20-2018 02:10 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:07 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  Damn Tarheels at it again...oh wait. Nope, Louisville.

Well there goes their title. and over 100 wins. Should've just stuck to fake classes

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...onal-title

Lap dances for players is a major violation but student athletes who aren't actual students is AOK.

Unfortunately, they were student athletes bc anyone could have taken advantage of the classes.

Vacated titles are a joke. Just like the NCAA.

Too bad the wins vacated only go up to 2015. I was wondering if we would drop a loss from our record a couple of years ago when we played them

(02-20-2018 02:43 PM)odu09 Wrote:  Too bad the wins vacated only go up to 2015. I was wondering if we would drop a loss from our record a couple of years ago when we played them

It would be a non issue if our team that season was capable of making free throws.

(02-20-2018 02:17 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 02:10 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:07 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  Damn Tarheels at it again...oh wait. Nope, Louisville.

Well there goes their title. and over 100 wins. Should've just stuck to fake classes

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...onal-title

Lap dances for players is a major violation but student athletes who aren't actual students is AOK.

Unfortunately, they were student athletes bc anyone could have taken advantage of the classes.

So Louisville would be fine if they had invited non athlete students over for the lap dances?

(02-20-2018 03:20 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 02:17 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 02:10 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:07 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  Damn Tarheels at it again...oh wait. Nope, Louisville.

Well there goes their title. and over 100 wins. Should've just stuck to fake classes

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...onal-title

Lap dances for players is a major violation but student athletes who aren't actual students is AOK.

Unfortunately, they were student athletes bc anyone could have taken advantage of the classes.

So Louisville would be fine if they had invited non athlete students over for the lap dances?

Sign me up

Sent from my SM-N950U using CSNbbs mobile app

(02-20-2018 02:17 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 02:10 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:07 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  Damn Tarheels at it again...oh wait. Nope, Louisville.

Well there goes their title. and over 100 wins. Should've just stuck to fake classes

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...onal-title

Lap dances for players is a major violation but student athletes who aren't actual students is AOK.

Unfortunately, they were student athletes bc anyone could have taken advantage of the classes.

The NCAA only has jurisdiction over member institutions treatment of student athletes as it relates to promoting fair competition and the proper education of student athletes. UNC clearly failed both principles by offering fake classes to student athletes yet the NCAA did nothing. The activity or treatment of non student athletes is of no business to the NCAA.

I'd be interested in seeing which specific NCAA bylaws mandate the 'proper education of student athletes'. Also, the treatment of non-student-athletes is germaine inasmuch as it determines impermissible benefits, e.g. benefits not available to the general student population. Finally, it is beyond me why people get upset when an organization formed to skirt worker compensation laws with regard to athletes at universities fails to act in the best interest of the aforementioned athletes.

(02-20-2018 02:10 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:07 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  Damn Tarheels at it again...oh wait. Nope, Louisville.

Well there goes their title. and over 100 wins. Should've just stuck to fake classes

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...onal-title

Lap dances for players is a major violation but student athletes who aren't actual students is AOK.

No, it's not OK, but the NCAA decided the UNC scandal was an academic issue, not an athletic one. In U of L's case, the violations were directly as a result of an assist. basketball coach's actions, a person hired and supposedly supervised by the head coach, so that's the difference. Both situations smell, but it's comparing apples to oranges.

It's more analogous to the FBI case than UNC. Louisville used lap dances and prostitutes, and the Adidas schools used bags of cash, both to entice recruits to attend a particular institution.

(02-20-2018 08:11 PM)NC ODUFan Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 02:10 PM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:07 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  Damn Tarheels at it again...oh wait. Nope, Louisville.

Well there goes their title. and over 100 wins. Should've just stuck to fake classes

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...onal-title

Lap dances for players is a major violation but student athletes who aren't actual students is AOK.

No, it's not OK, but the NCAA decided the UNC scandal was an academic issue, not an athletic one. In U of L's case, the violations were directly as a result of an assist. basketball coach's actions, a person hired and supposedly supervised by the head coach, so that's the difference. Both situations smell, but it's comparing apples to oranges.

So it's totally cool for coaches to funnel kids into fake classes as long as kids who are paying good money to presumably get a top level education are also allowed to enroll in the useless fake class so long as it's not already full with athletes who get priority in scheduling? Totally on the up and up. Got it.

Sent from my Pixel C using Tapatalk

(02-20-2018 08:17 PM)Grommet Wrote:  It's more analogous to the FBI case than UNC. Louisville used lap dances and prostitutes, and the Adidas schools used bags of cash, both to entice recruits to attend a particular institution.

Since we are in the business of advocating absurd arguments here, what would you say if the kid did not enjoy the lap dance? How would it then be considered an impermissible benefit?

Sent from my Pixel C using Tapatalk

If the NCAA had anything to do with academics other than stating eligibility requirements, you wouldn't need SACS. The NCAA has zero to do with the quality of the education a student athlete receives. Up until 2016, student athletes didn't have to even show progress towards a degree to be eligible to compete. All they had to do was take 15 credit hours and maintain a minimum GPA. Recruiting violations will get you every time over academic issues with the NCAA.

(02-20-2018 09:46 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 08:17 PM)Grommet Wrote:  It's more analogous to the FBI case than UNC. Louisville used lap dances and prostitutes, and the Adidas schools used bags of cash, both to entice recruits to attend a particular institution.

Since we are in the business of advocating absurd arguments here, what would you say if the kid did not enjoy the lap dance? How would it then be considered an impermissible benefit?

Sent from my Pixel C using Tapatalk

You're right. This is pretty dumb, even for you. I'm not even sure you've quoted the correct post.

It shows how little you understand the process, as the lap dance wouldn't be an impermissible benefit as much as an unfair recruiting advantage. Ergo, your point is moot.

How many of you are losing sleep over UNC?

(02-20-2018 11:35 PM)GotLabradors Wrote:  If the NCAA had anything to do with academics other than stating eligibility requirements, you wouldn't need SACS. The NCAA has zero to do with the quality of the education a student athlete receives. Up until 2016, student athletes didn't have to even show progress towards a degree to be eligible to compete. All they had to do was take 15 credit hours and maintain a minimum GPA. Recruiting violations will get you every time over academic issues with the NCAA.

False.

(02-21-2018 07:36 AM)Grommet Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 09:46 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 08:17 PM)Grommet Wrote:  It's more analogous to the FBI case than UNC. Louisville used lap dances and prostitutes, and the Adidas schools used bags of cash, both to entice recruits to attend a particular institution.

Since we are in the business of advocating absurd arguments here, what would you say if the kid did not enjoy the lap dance? How would it then be considered an impermissible benefit?

Sent from my Pixel C using Tapatalk

You're right. This is pretty dumb, even for you. I'm not even sure you've quoted the correct post.

It shows how little you understand the process, as the lap dance wouldn't be an impermissible benefit as much as an unfair recruiting advantage. Ergo, your point is moot.

1. My point stands whether it's a recruiting advantage or an impermissible benefit. By the crazy litigious standard applied to UNC, it is neither if the kid isn't into it.

2. Which infraction did actual harm to the kids they were charged with educating?

Obviously, both offenses are terrible. But one is magnitudes of order worse than the other, and that one went unpunished. Apply all the snark and defensive behavior you want, you cannot change the facts.

Sent from my Pixel C using Tapatalk