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Great breakdown of our last two games
https://soundcloud.com/chad-brendel/pod-129-panic

Brendel and Berg in an excellent discussion.

Chad points to missed open shots vs. WSU (30% from 3 vs. a weak perimeter D), while Justin got into UC's poor KenPom in the half court offense.

I think Chad brought up a great point about UC's defense vs. WSU, and something I saw several times. You cannot play a switching D against a team with a dominant playmaker (Shamet) and a dominant big (Morris). Too many times I saw Shamet on Washington, Morris on Evans/Cumberland...

As far as Houston is concerned, my biggest gripe was UH's offensive rebounds. And, clutch FTs in both games were huge, IMO.

I know Brendel doesn't have a huge fan club on here, but a real good discussion.
 
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RE: Great breakdown of our last two games
(02-21-2018 06:32 AM)Ring of Black Wrote:  https://soundcloud.com/chad-brendel/pod-129-panic

Brendel and Berg in an excellent discussion.

Chad points to missed open shots vs. WSU (30% from 3 vs. a weak perimeter D), while Justin got into UC's poor KenPom in the half court offense.

I think Chad brought up a great point about UC's defense vs. WSU, and something I saw several times. You cannot play a switching D against a team with a dominant playmaker (Shamet) and a dominant big (Morris). Too many times I saw Shamet on Washington, Morris on Evans/Cumberland...

As far as Houston is concerned, my biggest gripe was UH's offensive rebounds. And, clutch FTs in both games were huge, IMO.

I know Brendel doesn't have a huge fan club on here, but a real good discussion.

Listening to the podcast on my way to the airport. Half-court offensive execution is absolutely the problem with this team, and every team in the Mick Cronin era. Cincy will run into games where teams are hot from the field despite good defense, it’s inevitable. This team will not be successful against good teams with comparable or better talent levels when the offense is so reliant on turnovers and second chance points. Those opportunities will not present themselves at a high enough clip. Good teams rebound and don’t commit turnovers, period.

The question is, why does this team consistently struggle in this regard year after year? Are we able to fix this problem by March?
 
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RE: Great breakdown of our last two games
(02-21-2018 08:55 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  
(02-21-2018 06:32 AM)Ring of Black Wrote:  https://soundcloud.com/chad-brendel/pod-129-panic

Brendel and Berg in an excellent discussion.

Chad points to missed open shots vs. WSU (30% from 3 vs. a weak perimeter D), while Justin got into UC's poor KenPom in the half court offense.

I think Chad brought up a great point about UC's defense vs. WSU, and something I saw several times. You cannot play a switching D against a team with a dominant playmaker (Shamet) and a dominant big (Morris). Too many times I saw Shamet on Washington, Morris on Evans/Cumberland...

As far as Houston is concerned, my biggest gripe was UH's offensive rebounds. And, clutch FTs in both games were huge, IMO.

I know Brendel doesn't have a huge fan club on here, but a real good discussion.

Listening to the podcast on my way to the airport. Half-court offensive execution is absolutely the problem with this team, and every team in the Mick Cronin era. Cincy will run into games where teams are hot from the field despite good defense, it’s inevitable. This team will not be successful against good teams with comparable or better talent levels when the offense is so reliant on turnovers and second chance points. Those opportunities will not present themselves at a high enough clip. Good teams rebound and don’t commit turnover, period.

The question is, why does this team consistently struggle in this regard year after year? Are we able to fix this problem by March?

Look to the coach on this one. To penetrate in March, you have to have a consistent, innovative offense to complement the defense (which can be learned). Scoring has a lot to do with recruiting...and recruiting has a lot to do...with the coach.
 
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RE: Great breakdown of our last two games
(02-21-2018 08:55 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  
(02-21-2018 06:32 AM)Ring of Black Wrote:  https://soundcloud.com/chad-brendel/pod-129-panic

Brendel and Berg in an excellent discussion.

Chad points to missed open shots vs. WSU (30% from 3 vs. a weak perimeter D), while Justin got into UC's poor KenPom in the half court offense.

I think Chad brought up a great point about UC's defense vs. WSU, and something I saw several times. You cannot play a switching D against a team with a dominant playmaker (Shamet) and a dominant big (Morris). Too many times I saw Shamet on Washington, Morris on Evans/Cumberland...

As far as Houston is concerned, my biggest gripe was UH's offensive rebounds. And, clutch FTs in both games were huge, IMO.

I know Brendel doesn't have a huge fan club on here, but a real good discussion.

Listening to the podcast on my way to the airport. Half-court offensive execution is absolutely the problem with this team, and every team in the Mick Cronin era. Cincy will run into games where teams are hot from the field despite good defense, it’s inevitable. This team will not be successful against good teams with comparable or better talent levels when the offense is so reliant on turnovers and second chance points. Those opportunities will not present themselves at a high enough clip. Good teams rebound and don’t commit turnover, period.

The question is, why does this team consistently struggle in this regard year after year? Are we able to fix this problem by March?

2019-20 would be a more realistic timeline. It needs addressed. Can't keep doing the same thing.
 
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RE: Great breakdown of our last two games
In games like WSU someone needs to step up and score the ball in crunch time. Someone needs to score 25 or more.
 
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RE: Great breakdown of our last two games
(02-21-2018 06:32 AM)Ring of Black Wrote:  https://soundcloud.com/chad-brendel/pod-129-panic

Brendel and Berg in an excellent discussion.

Chad points to missed open shots vs. WSU (30% from 3 vs. a weak perimeter D), while Justin got into UC's poor KenPom in the half court offense.

I think Chad brought up a great point about UC's defense vs. WSU, and something I saw several times. You cannot play a switching D against a team with a dominant playmaker (Shamet) and a dominant big (Morris). Too many times I saw Shamet on Washington, Morris on Evans/Cumberland...

As far as Houston is concerned, my biggest gripe was UH's offensive rebounds. And, clutch FTs in both games were huge, IMO.

I know Brendel doesn't have a huge fan club on here, but a real good discussion.

Mick just doesn't make adjustments. It was obvious to anyone watching on TV that having a big on Shamet and a guard on Morris was not a winning strategy. It completely tilted the floor defensively and necessitated help on just about every possession. Not only that, but when a perimeter shot went up you had guys like Evans, Cumberland and Broome trying to box out Morris on and Kelly. I'm really hoping we don't see that defense next Sunday in Wichita...
 
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RE: Great breakdown of our last two games
(02-21-2018 11:08 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  
(02-21-2018 06:32 AM)Ring of Black Wrote:  https://soundcloud.com/chad-brendel/pod-129-panic

Brendel and Berg in an excellent discussion.

Chad points to missed open shots vs. WSU (30% from 3 vs. a weak perimeter D), while Justin got into UC's poor KenPom in the half court offense.

I think Chad brought up a great point about UC's defense vs. WSU, and something I saw several times. You cannot play a switching D against a team with a dominant playmaker (Shamet) and a dominant big (Morris). Too many times I saw Shamet on Washington, Morris on Evans/Cumberland...

As far as Houston is concerned, my biggest gripe was UH's offensive rebounds. And, clutch FTs in both games were huge, IMO.

I know Brendel doesn't have a huge fan club on here, but a real good discussion.

Mick just doesn't make adjustments. It was obvious to anyone watching on TV that having a big on Shamet and a guard on Morris was not a winning strategy. It completely tilted the floor defensively and necessitated help on just about every possession. Not only that, but when a perimeter shot went up you had guys like Evans, Cumberland and Broome trying to box out Morris on and Kelly. I'm really hoping we don't see that defense next Sunday in Wichita...

Yep. We'll see how our coaching staff responds with adjusted schemes on defense and offense. If UC is healthy, I don't consider a win in Wichita out of the question. In fact, it would put a heck of an exclamation point on the season along with a big new banner in 5th/3rd.
 
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RE: Great breakdown of our last two games
(02-21-2018 11:38 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(02-21-2018 11:08 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  
(02-21-2018 06:32 AM)Ring of Black Wrote:  https://soundcloud.com/chad-brendel/pod-129-panic

Brendel and Berg in an excellent discussion.

Chad points to missed open shots vs. WSU (30% from 3 vs. a weak perimeter D), while Justin got into UC's poor KenPom in the half court offense.

I think Chad brought up a great point about UC's defense vs. WSU, and something I saw several times. You cannot play a switching D against a team with a dominant playmaker (Shamet) and a dominant big (Morris). Too many times I saw Shamet on Washington, Morris on Evans/Cumberland...

As far as Houston is concerned, my biggest gripe was UH's offensive rebounds. And, clutch FTs in both games were huge, IMO.

I know Brendel doesn't have a huge fan club on here, but a real good discussion.

Mick just doesn't make adjustments. It was obvious to anyone watching on TV that having a big on Shamet and a guard on Morris was not a winning strategy. It completely tilted the floor defensively and necessitated help on just about every possession. Not only that, but when a perimeter shot went up you had guys like Evans, Cumberland and Broome trying to box out Morris on and Kelly. I'm really hoping we don't see that defense next Sunday in Wichita...

Yep. We'll see how our coaching staff responds with adjusted schemes on defense and offense. If UC is healthy, I don't consider a win in Wichita out of the question. In fact, it would put a heck of an exclamation point on the season along with a big new banner in 5th/3rd.

Lets be honest...this has been a great regular season and this team has shown it can compete at a high level, but the regular season will be at least somewhat of a letdown if UC doesn't win at Wichita State. I know its a tall order, but by not taking care of business at home I feel like this is a game UC needs to steal.

Ultimately all will be forgiven if they make a deep tournament run, but the season is about far more than that. Lets finish off an outright regular season, win the conference tournament and then worry about the NCAA's. We check those two off the list and this will have been one hell of a season. We'll also be in a great position to make a run.
 
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RE: Great breakdown of our last two games
Just some food for thought if anyone is wondering why UC lost their last two games. (to two teams who happen to be in the Top 25)

Current record of the 4 teams UC lost to: 83-24 (.775)
Current record of the 19 teams UC beat: 255-266 (.489)
*Houston counted in both stats.

9 of the 19 teams they beat this year currently have winning records.
 
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RE: Great breakdown of our last two games
(02-21-2018 01:59 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Just some food for thought if anyone is wondering why UC lost their last two games. (to two teams who happen to be in the Top 25)

Current record of the 4 teams UC lost to: 83-24 (.775)
Current record of the 19 teams UC beat: 255-266 (.489)
*Houston counted in both stats.

9 of the 19 teams they beat this year currently have winning records.

What, we lost to good teams and beat the teams we're supposed to beat? I'm not sure what your point is except trying to knock our team down. We know that our schedule has some clunkers and limited opportunities to play top teams on a regular basis like the P5 does. Just for poops and giggles I selected three top programs - Duke, Purdue and Kansas - and looked at the teams they've lost to.

Duke (5 losses): 94-43 (.686)
Purdue (5 losses): 102-40 (.718)
Kansas (6 losses): 107-55 (.660)

What I see is the winning percentage of the teams Cincinnati lost to is a lot stronger than the teams I selected. You can spin these numbers any number of ways.
 
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RE: Great breakdown of our last two games
(02-21-2018 02:57 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(02-21-2018 01:59 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Just some food for thought if anyone is wondering why UC lost their last two games. (to two teams who happen to be in the Top 25)

Current record of the 4 teams UC lost to: 83-24 (.775)
Current record of the 19 teams UC beat: 255-266 (.489)
*Houston counted in both stats.

9 of the 19 teams they beat this year currently have winning records.

What, we lost to good teams and beat the teams we're supposed to beat? I'm not sure what your point is except trying to knock our team down. We know that our schedule has some clunkers and limited opportunities to play top teams on a regular basis like the P5 does. Just for poops and giggles I selected three top programs - Duke, Purdue and Kansas - and looked at the teams they've lost to.

Duke (5 losses): 94-43 (.686)
Purdue (5 losses): 102-40 (.718)
Kansas (6 losses): 107-55 (.660)

What I see is the winning percentage of the teams Cincinnati lost to is a lot stronger than the teams I selected. You can spin these numbers any number of ways.

Boy, someone got their panties in a bunch just because I presented some facts and offered no opinion. It's not who UC lost to, it's who they beat. So your comparison makes no sense. 01-wingedeagle

However, IMO people are over analyzing why they lost their last 2 games. It's simple. They have been largely untested (#66 SOS). And when they have been tested against Top 25 teams they are 1-4. It's not that hard to figure out.

Do they have a chance to redeem themselves and even that out by beating WSU at their place and perhaps again in the AAC tourney (and/or Houston)? Sure they do.
 
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(02-21-2018 04:00 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  
(02-21-2018 02:57 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(02-21-2018 01:59 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Just some food for thought if anyone is wondering why UC lost their last two games. (to two teams who happen to be in the Top 25)

Current record of the 4 teams UC lost to: 83-24 (.775)
Current record of the 19 teams UC beat: 255-266 (.489)
*Houston counted in both stats.

9 of the 19 teams they beat this year currently have winning records.

What, we lost to good teams and beat the teams we're supposed to beat? I'm not sure what your point is except trying to knock our team down. We know that our schedule has some clunkers and limited opportunities to play top teams on a regular basis like the P5 does. Just for poops and giggles I selected three top programs - Duke, Purdue and Kansas - and looked at the teams they've lost to.

Duke (5 losses): 94-43 (.686)
Purdue (5 losses): 102-40 (.718)
Kansas (6 losses): 107-55 (.660)

What I see is the winning percentage of the teams Cincinnati lost to is a lot stronger than the teams I selected. You can spin these numbers any number of ways.

Boy, someone got their panties in a bunch just because I presented some facts and offered no opinion. It's not who UC lost to, it's who they beat. So your comparison makes no sense. 01-wingedeagle

However, IMO people are over analyzing why they lost their last 2 games. It's simple. They have been largely untested (#66 SOS). And when they have been tested against Top 25 teams they are 1-4. It's not that hard to figure out.

Do they have a chance to redeem themselves and even that out by beating WSU at their place and perhaps again in the AAC tourney (and/or Houston)? Sure they do.

Reread my post. Where did you get that I'm upset? I don't get your point because all teams can say the same thing - they're supposed to beat the average to below average teams on their schedule and hopefully come out on the better end of games against the better teams. Not hard to comprehend.
 
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RE: Great breakdown of our last two games
(02-21-2018 04:10 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(02-21-2018 04:00 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  
(02-21-2018 02:57 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(02-21-2018 01:59 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  Just some food for thought if anyone is wondering why UC lost their last two games. (to two teams who happen to be in the Top 25)

Current record of the 4 teams UC lost to: 83-24 (.775)
Current record of the 19 teams UC beat: 255-266 (.489)
*Houston counted in both stats.

9 of the 19 teams they beat this year currently have winning records.

What, we lost to good teams and beat the teams we're supposed to beat? I'm not sure what your point is except trying to knock our team down. We know that our schedule has some clunkers and limited opportunities to play top teams on a regular basis like the P5 does. Just for poops and giggles I selected three top programs - Duke, Purdue and Kansas - and looked at the teams they've lost to.

Duke (5 losses): 94-43 (.686)
Purdue (5 losses): 102-40 (.718)
Kansas (6 losses): 107-55 (.660)

What I see is the winning percentage of the teams Cincinnati lost to is a lot stronger than the teams I selected. You can spin these numbers any number of ways.

Boy, someone got their panties in a bunch just because I presented some facts and offered no opinion. It's not who UC lost to, it's who they beat. So your comparison makes no sense. 01-wingedeagle

However, IMO people are over analyzing why they lost their last 2 games. It's simple. They have been largely untested (#66 SOS). And when they have been tested against Top 25 teams they are 1-4. It's not that hard to figure out.

Do they have a chance to redeem themselves and even that out by beating WSU at their place and perhaps again in the AAC tourney (and/or Houston)? Sure they do.

Reread my post. Where did you get that I'm upset? I don't get your point because all teams can say the same thing - they're supposed to beat the average to below average teams on their schedule and hopefully come out on the better end of games against the better teams. Not hard to comprehend.

Regarding your previous post, Kansas, Duke, and MSU all have a very attractive collection of wins at home and away. We really don't, but I know we are #11 in the country with good metrics blah blah... can someone specifically name the teams we have beaten to hang our hat on? Houston at home, and a bubble UCLA team? I just want to get some real wins before the tournament, maybe we can sneak one in Wichita.
 
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(02-21-2018 11:08 AM)JFlight21 Wrote:  
(02-21-2018 06:32 AM)Ring of Black Wrote:  https://soundcloud.com/chad-brendel/pod-129-panic

Brendel and Berg in an excellent discussion.

Chad points to missed open shots vs. WSU (30% from 3 vs. a weak perimeter D), while Justin got into UC's poor KenPom in the half court offense.

I think Chad brought up a great point about UC's defense vs. WSU, and something I saw several times. You cannot play a switching D against a team with a dominant playmaker (Shamet) and a dominant big (Morris). Too many times I saw Shamet on Washington, Morris on Evans/Cumberland...

As far as Houston is concerned, my biggest gripe was UH's offensive rebounds. And, clutch FTs in both games were huge, IMO.

I know Brendel doesn't have a huge fan club on here, but a real good discussion.

Mick just doesn't make adjustments. It was obvious to anyone watching on TV that having a big on Shamet and a guard on Morris was not a winning strategy. It completely tilted the floor defensively and necessitated help on just about every possession. Not only that, but when a perimeter shot went up you had guys like Evans, Cumberland and Broome trying to box out Morris on and Kelly. I'm really hoping we don't see that defense next Sunday in Wichita...

It didn't help that Washington was on the bench for more than half of the game and that Nysier Brooks chose to disappear. Plus, Gary Clark had one of his worst games of the year. Add it up, and we got plunked on the inside. Good performances by Cumberland and Broome kept us in the game.
 
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