Quote:Eustis Middle School Teacher of the Year Kelly Guthrie Raley called for accountability, not gun control, in the wake of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting.

She acknowledged on Facebook, that she'd be deemed the “bad guy” for saying “what no one else is brave enough to say” but wants to.

As a teacher, Raley explained that on any given day, she could be involved in an active shooter situation and pointed to a series of issues that need to be addressed before a “gun problem in school” can be eradicated:

Mental health issues, including lack of care

Lack of discipline in the home

Horrendous lack of parental support when the schools are trying to control horrible behavior at school

Lack of moral values

Violent video games that take away all sensitivity to compassion for others

Reality TV that makes it commonplace for people to constantly scream at each other and promote only valuing yourself

She explained that kids don't understand that death is permanent anymore and contrasted her upbringing with how kids are treated today.

As someone who grew up with guns, she said her parents never tolerated bad behavior, so much so that there was a fear of getting in trouble at school. While there was a definite line between parent and child, Raley added that there was no separation when it came to privacy.

“My parents invaded my life. They knew where I was ALL the time. They made me have a curfew. They made me wake them up when I got home,” she wrote. “They made me respect their rules. They had full control of their house, and at any time could and would go through every inch of my bedroom, backpack, pockets, anything!”

The teacher called for parents to “step up,” stop being your child's friend and pry into their life because being a “cool mom” doesn't mean anything when “your kid is dead or your kid kills other people” because you gave them privacy. She said:

My home was filled with guns growing up. For God's sake, my daddy was an 82nd Airborne Ranger who lost half his face serving our country. But you know what? I never dreamed of shooting anyone with his guns. I never dreamed of taking one! I was taught respect for human life, compassion, rules, common decency, and most of all, I was taught that until I moved out, my life and bedroom wasn't mine ... it was theirs. And they were going to know what was happening because they loved me and wanted the best for me.

She explained her post wasn't about “gun control” because it was about her “school babies,” who God created for greatness, reaching their futures.

“Those 17 lives mattered,” she concluded. “When are we going to take our own responsibility seriously?”

https://ijr.com/the-declaration/2018/02/...e=hs_email

Personal responsibility is a dirty word to leftists. They prefer the nanny state to control their lives.

they prefer blaming something OTHER than the individual, especially if there is money involved.

I've said essentially the same thing... problem is, politicians can't get voters from this because it will take a generation to fix.

We live in a society where someone dumb enough to put their hands into a device designed to turn wood into pulp or dumb enough to tip a large vending machine over onto themselves is 'protected' and even allowed to sue and win enough money to set them for life against the company who made the device, unless they put a picture... not words, but a picture telling them not to.

I thought it was the left who believed in science? Like evolution and the dying out of inferior species and 'bad' genetics in favor of superior genetics (by that I mean not protecting and encouraging stupid people to breed)? SCIENCE would let them die.

I'm not calling for those people's deaths by any means... but I think that SOCIETY trying to protect everyone from the consequences of their choices and actions only encourages bad choices and actions... like shooting people

(02-21-2018 03:45 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:Eustis Middle School Teacher of the Year Kelly Guthrie Raley called for accountability, not gun control, in the wake of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting.

She acknowledged on Facebook, that she'd be deemed the “bad guy” for saying “what no one else is brave enough to say” but wants to.

As a teacher, Raley explained that on any given day, she could be involved in an active shooter situation and pointed to a series of issues that need to be addressed before a “gun problem in school” can be eradicated:

Mental health issues, including lack of care

Lack of discipline in the home

Horrendous lack of parental support when the schools are trying to control horrible behavior at school

Lack of moral values

Violent video games that take away all sensitivity to compassion for others

Reality TV that makes it commonplace for people to constantly scream at each other and promote only valuing yourself

She explained that kids don't understand that death is permanent anymore and contrasted her upbringing with how kids are treated today.

As someone who grew up with guns, she said her parents never tolerated bad behavior, so much so that there was a fear of getting in trouble at school. While there was a definite line between parent and child, Raley added that there was no separation when it came to privacy.

“My parents invaded my life. They knew where I was ALL the time. They made me have a curfew. They made me wake them up when I got home,” she wrote. “They made me respect their rules. They had full control of their house, and at any time could and would go through every inch of my bedroom, backpack, pockets, anything!”

The teacher called for parents to “step up,” stop being your child's friend and pry into their life because being a “cool mom” doesn't mean anything when “your kid is dead or your kid kills other people” because you gave them privacy. She said:

My home was filled with guns growing up. For God's sake, my daddy was an 82nd Airborne Ranger who lost half his face serving our country. But you know what? I never dreamed of shooting anyone with his guns. I never dreamed of taking one! I was taught respect for human life, compassion, rules, common decency, and most of all, I was taught that until I moved out, my life and bedroom wasn't mine ... it was theirs. And they were going to know what was happening because they loved me and wanted the best for me.

She explained her post wasn't about “gun control” because it was about her “school babies,” who God created for greatness, reaching their futures.

“Those 17 lives mattered,” she concluded. “When are we going to take our own responsibility seriously?”

https://ijr.com/the-declaration/2018/02/...e=hs_email

She gets it

(02-21-2018 03:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Personal responsibility is a dirty word to leftists. They prefer the nanny state to control their lives.

hell its a dirty word to parents under 45 on both sides.

(02-21-2018 04:53 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 03:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Personal responsibility is a dirty word to leftists. They prefer the nanny state to control their lives.

hell its a dirty word to parents under 45 on both sides.

Currently I'm going to disagree. But my child is 2. We'll see if I think he's still an angel in a few years.

(02-21-2018 04:53 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 03:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Personal responsibility is a dirty word to leftists. They prefer the nanny state to control their lives.

hell its a dirty word to parents under 45 on both sides.

While I'm not under 45 I'm not that far over it and I know plenty of parents who are so I'll disagree vehemently.

Perhaps our perceptions are influenced by the company we choose to keep.

(02-21-2018 03:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Personal responsibility is a dirty word to leftists. They prefer the nanny state to control their lives.

Baloney. That's a very broad statement, so I automatically know it's incorrect. I've said consistently on here we all need to take personal responsibility.

One way to take responsibility is to stop blaming the other side for everything's that's wrong and start looking at how we collectively add to the dysfunction.

(02-21-2018 05:28 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 03:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Personal responsibility is a dirty word to leftists. They prefer the nanny state to control their lives.

Baloney. That's a very broad statement, so I automatically know it's incorrect. I've said consistently on here we all need to take personal responsibility.

One way to take responsibility is to stop blaming the other side for everything's that's wrong and start looking at how we collectively add to the dysfunction.

Not at all.

You support a political philosophy, and in some cases yourself, that believes in banning sodas of a certain size or a type of cooking oil because people are fat instead of blaming the people for consuming the sodas or oil. Your side believes in banning certain types of guns based on cosmetic features because someone commits a murder instead of blaming the person responsible. They believe that health care is a government instead of personal responsibility. There's folks on the left who believe that Tide should be forced to change a manufacturing process and eat however much it would cost of their laundry detergent pods because some teenagers ate them trying to get Youtube likes or parents were irresponsible putting them out of the reach of small children.

(02-21-2018 05:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 05:28 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 03:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Personal responsibility is a dirty word to leftists. They prefer the nanny state to control their lives.

Baloney. That's a very broad statement, so I automatically know it's incorrect. I've said consistently on here we all need to take personal responsibility.

One way to take responsibility is to stop blaming the other side for everything's that's wrong and start looking at how we collectively add to the dysfunction.

Not at all.

You support a political philosophy, and in some cases yourself, that believes in banning sodas of a certain size or a type of cooking oil because people are fat instead of blaming the people for consuming the sodas or oil. Your side believes in banning certain types of guns based on cosmetic features because someone commits a murder instead of blaming the person responsible. They believe that health care is a government instead of personal responsibility. There's folks on the left who believe that Tide should be forced to change a manufacturing process and eat however much it would cost of their laundry detergent pods because some teenagers ate them trying to get Youtube likes or parents were irresponsible putting them out of the reach of small children.

(02-21-2018 04:55 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 04:53 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 03:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Personal responsibility is a dirty word to leftists. They prefer the nanny state to control their lives.

hell its a dirty word to parents under 45 on both sides.

Currently I'm going to disagree. But my child is 2. We'll see if I think he's still an angel in a few years.

Exceptions to every rule. Just see it in my kids schools. Too many want to blame a teacher, administrator, coach or other parent.

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(02-21-2018 05:57 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 05:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 05:28 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 03:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Personal responsibility is a dirty word to leftists. They prefer the nanny state to control their lives.

Baloney. That's a very broad statement, so I automatically know it's incorrect. I've said consistently on here we all need to take personal responsibility.

One way to take responsibility is to stop blaming the other side for everything's that's wrong and start looking at how we collectively add to the dysfunction.

Not at all.

You support a political philosophy, and in some cases yourself, that believes in banning sodas of a certain size or a type of cooking oil because people are fat instead of blaming the people for consuming the sodas or oil. Your side believes in banning certain types of guns based on cosmetic features because someone commits a murder instead of blaming the person responsible. They believe that health care is a government instead of personal responsibility. There's folks on the left who believe that Tide should be forced to change a manufacturing process and eat however much it would cost of their laundry detergent pods because some teenagers ate them trying to get Youtube likes or parents were irresponsible putting them out of the reach of small children.

I think this statement pretty much directly contradicts what you are saying. I am all for personal responsibility. I'm sure you can find some examples of overdoing things on both sides.
It sounds like your being emotional and slightly over the top.

(02-21-2018 06:47 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 05:57 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 05:53 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 05:28 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 03:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Personal responsibility is a dirty word to leftists. They prefer the nanny state to control their lives.

Baloney. That's a very broad statement, so I automatically know it's incorrect. I've said consistently on here we all need to take personal responsibility.

One way to take responsibility is to stop blaming the other side for everything's that's wrong and start looking at how we collectively add to the dysfunction.

Not at all.

You support a political philosophy, and in some cases yourself, that believes in banning sodas of a certain size or a type of cooking oil because people are fat instead of blaming the people for consuming the sodas or oil. Your side believes in banning certain types of guns based on cosmetic features because someone commits a murder instead of blaming the person responsible. They believe that health care is a government instead of personal responsibility. There's folks on the left who believe that Tide should be forced to change a manufacturing process and eat however much it would cost of their laundry detergent pods because some teenagers ate them trying to get Youtube likes or parents were irresponsible putting them out of the reach of small children.

I think this statement pretty much directly contradicts what you are saying. I am all for personal responsibility. I'm sure you can find some examples of overdoing things on both sides.
It sounds like your being emotional and slightly over the top.

Sounds like the hoplophobes wanting to ban AR 15s

Making it very difficult to purchase a firearm would likely reduce the homicide rate

It is unconstitutional to infringe the right to bear arms.

So what’s the common ground?

(02-21-2018 03:45 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:Eustis Middle School Teacher of the Year Kelly Guthrie Raley called for accountability, not gun control, in the wake of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting.

She acknowledged on Facebook, that she'd be deemed the “bad guy” for saying “what no one else is brave enough to say” but wants to.

As a teacher, Raley explained that on any given day, she could be involved in an active shooter situation and pointed to a series of issues that need to be addressed before a “gun problem in school” can be eradicated:

Mental health issues, including lack of care

Lack of discipline in the home

Horrendous lack of parental support when the schools are trying to control horrible behavior at school

Lack of moral values

Violent video games that take away all sensitivity to compassion for others

Reality TV that makes it commonplace for people to constantly scream at each other and promote only valuing yourself

She explained that kids don't understand that death is permanent anymore and contrasted her upbringing with how kids are treated today.

As someone who grew up with guns, she said her parents never tolerated bad behavior, so much so that there was a fear of getting in trouble at school. While there was a definite line between parent and child, Raley added that there was no separation when it came to privacy.

“My parents invaded my life. They knew where I was ALL the time. They made me have a curfew. They made me wake them up when I got home,” she wrote. “They made me respect their rules. They had full control of their house, and at any time could and would go through every inch of my bedroom, backpack, pockets, anything!”

The teacher called for parents to “step up,” stop being your child's friend and pry into their life because being a “cool mom” doesn't mean anything when “your kid is dead or your kid kills other people” because you gave them privacy. She said:

My home was filled with guns growing up. For God's sake, my daddy was an 82nd Airborne Ranger who lost half his face serving our country. But you know what? I never dreamed of shooting anyone with his guns. I never dreamed of taking one! I was taught respect for human life, compassion, rules, common decency, and most of all, I was taught that until I moved out, my life and bedroom wasn't mine ... it was theirs. And they were going to know what was happening because they loved me and wanted the best for me.

She explained her post wasn't about “gun control” because it was about her “school babies,” who God created for greatness, reaching their futures.

“Those 17 lives mattered,” she concluded. “When are we going to take our own responsibility seriously?”

https://ijr.com/the-declaration/2018/02/...e=hs_email

That’s a good “teacher”.

And not meant as classroom version, though I’m certain she’s top notch there as well.

I’m not my kids “friend”, at times I’m sure they think I’m an insufferable prick. I can live with that, I’ve got broad shoulders.

I’m more worried about the choices they make moving forward. Not the ones I’ve made thus far.

So far, so good.

Much to their despair, I’m sure.

If I can get this to load correctly, I think Bill Whittle nails it!

https://www.facebook.com/billwhittle/pho...=3&theater

(02-21-2018 07:35 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  Making it very difficult to purchase a firearm would likely reduce the homicide rate

It is unconstitutional to infringe the right to bear arms.

So what’s the common ground?

Understanding that murder is already illegal and restricting one tool will increase the use of another.

Up to 90% of firearms used in murders are acquired illegally. Making it hard to legally purchase a firearm will do little to reduce the homicide rate.

(02-21-2018 06:47 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I think this statement pretty much directly contradicts what you are saying. I am all for personal responsibility. I'm sure you can find some examples of overdoing things on both sides.

While his statements may not represent YOU, ODU, he's entirely correct that 'the left' by and large believes that 'it takes a village' while the right believes in individual responsibility. This entire debate/issue is about passing laws to take rights away from 100+mm people because of the irresponsible/criminal actions of a small number.

There was a meme on facebook where a congressman was essentially blaming violent video games and the response was that millions of kids play these games and don't shoot up schools... Well, so do millions of gun owners not shoot up schools. THESE are not the problems. Frankly I think that violent video games and sports (which are also violent, though in a different way) by and large offer outlets for people for their anger/aggression and serve a valuable purpose... but that's another issue.

The solution lies in identifying people who lack any sense of empathy such that they don't value the lives of others... or in identifying people who become so desperate (or callous or angry) that 'this' seems like a good idea.

Guns were EASIER to get 40-60 years ago, and we didn't have this many mass shootings of innocents.

(02-22-2018 12:04 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 07:35 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  Making it very difficult to purchase a firearm would likely reduce the homicide rate

It is unconstitutional to infringe the right to bear arms.

So what’s the common ground?

Understanding that murder is already illegal and restricting one tool will increase the use of another.

Up to 90% of firearms used in murders are acquired illegally. Making it hard to legally purchase a firearm will do little to reduce the homicide rate.

I think the common ground is that nobody wants to see kids shot. We need to START with that and end (not that you did it) placing the blame on the NRA or Video Games or Movies. You DID however fall for one of the many 'lies' that are always told about these things... I put lies in quotes because there is just enough truth or logic in them to have reasonable people believe them....

but the TRUTH is that something like 80% of gun deaths are related to crimes/criminals/suicides and not 'shooters'.... and that rifles of ANY kind (much less assault rifles alone) account for something like 350 deaths per year. This doesn't mean that we can't/shouldn't address those issues, but it DOES mean that doing so is addressing the fleas, not the dog.

The idea that someone willing to die to kill other people would simply 'not do it' if they couldn't LEGALLY get an assault rifle is illogical. These are almost never crimes of passion, but are often meticulously planned. I can't tell you what their weapon of choice would be if we banned guns (other than the 300+mm guns already in circulation that you would never collect or keep millions more from crossing borders) but it wouldn't be a butter knife. I suspect it would be explosives or chemicals which can be made out of household items. Ask any meth-head.... We tried prohibition with alcohol and how long have we been trying to end drugs?

All you really need to have an assault rifle is the assembly (that's not the right word, but I think everyone knows what I mean) which is fairly small and easy to hide... or with moderate skills, modify. The magazines and barrels can be easily converted/modified from existing legal arms or even home depot. I'm not saying we can't do anything... but i'm saying that the empirical evidence is that mass shooters are already a massive minority, and the government doesn't have a good record on much larger cohorts with far less motivation.

(02-22-2018 01:02 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 06:47 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I think this statement pretty much directly contradicts what you are saying. I am all for personal responsibility. I'm sure you can find some examples of overdoing things on both sides.

While his statements may not represent YOU, ODU, he's entirely correct that 'the left' by and large believes that 'it takes a village' while the right believes in individual responsibility. This entire debate/issue is about passing laws to take rights away from 100+mm people because of the irresponsible/criminal actions of a small number.

And as a corollary to that, you have to take guns away from the whole village rather than taking guns away from the nutcases who are apt to go on shooting sprees.

You guys are missing the point of "it takes a village". The whole idea is for the community to take care of it's own, not rely on the government. It has to do with you or I, seeing someone else's child doing something wrong or dangerous and getting involved not waiting for the "system" to take care of it.

I think you are incorrectly understanding the meaning by saying it's contrary to personal responsibility. They are not the same and one doesn't invalidate the other.