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RE: Southern Illinois athletics running a $26 million deficit
(02-22-2018 01:14 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(02-22-2018 11:37 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Southern Illinois is not exactly a hot bed of growth. Carbondale is down 1,000 in population since 1990, Cairo down over 2,000 in the same span, Centrallia down 1200.

Student enrollment at SIU is the lowest since 1965.

Going FBS wouldn't have likely done anything to help their circumstances.

Cairo is my favorite ghosttown to visit. The way people talk there you’d think it was Arkansas.

They say Cairo should have been a major city because it's situated next to two rivers.
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(02-22-2018 12:11 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-22-2018 08:21 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  The whole state's university system is in a funding crunch, it's just that someone like U of I can absorb the hit as the flagship and academic elite while NIU on other hand can draw from Chicago to keep enrollment up. SIU/EIU/WIU can't really do that, and they're left with a geographic location in an economically depressed part of the country - SIU in particular has probably been cannibalized by Edwardsville for students they used to draw from St. Louis.

Illinois State has done well. People I know who work there say that there hasn't been any cutbacks. And they're not cutting into the endowment to stay afloat either - the endowment has gone up 30% in the last 5 years.

ISU's advantage (according to them) is that the university is "exceptionally well-run." That's very different than most universities nationwide.

Yes, ISU has been able to deal with the Illinois state funding crisis more on the manner of the University of Illinois (as opposed to the directional schools) due to its endowment and more affluent alumni base. Bloomington-Normal also has a strong and stable economy for its metro area size since it's home to the world headquarters of State Farm (which in turn spurs a lot of third party support services for State Farm). To that point, State Farm pumps in a fair amount of corporate support into ISU (e.g. the school's business building is literally named the State Farm ® Hall of Business) that the directional schools aren't receiving much of at all.
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(02-22-2018 11:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  I'm not sure what the article means when it says SIU has a "cumulative deficit" of $26 million. Their total athletic spending is $27 million a year. I have to assume the $26 million figure is the total of some unspecified number of years. How is that meaningful?

That has to be it. They can't run that much of a deficit in 1 year.
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(02-22-2018 04:32 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(02-22-2018 11:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  I'm not sure what the article means when it says SIU has a "cumulative deficit" of $26 million. Their total athletic spending is $27 million a year. I have to assume the $26 million figure is the total of some unspecified number of years. How is that meaningful?

That has to be it. They can't run that much of a deficit in 1 year.

Yes it's cumulative. If you read the original article you'd see the current year deficit is $4.8M, of which $2.6M was specific to FB, and a hair under $1M for WBB and also $1M for MBB.

I don't think 2,000 students makes that big a difference, unless they are paying over $2,000 a year in student fees each for Athletics. More realistically a full campus would only slice a few $100K off the annual deficit. Basically they need to trim around $3M off the Athletic budget and raise another $2M to reverse the situation.

Illinois and California, on opposite ends of the enrollment growth spectrum, demonstrate conclusively that level of athletic participation has minimal effect at best on enrollment. But it does consume huge resources and money.
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(02-22-2018 11:37 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Southern Illinois is not exactly a hot bed of growth. Carbondale is down 1,000 in population since 1990, Cairo down over 2,000 in the same span, Centrallia down 1200.

Student enrollment at SIU is the lowest since 1965.

Going FBS wouldn't have likely done anything to help their circumstances.

I looked it up and SIU is down to 17,292. I had remembered them being in the 20s. They got as high as 24,869. That's a huge drop in the last 25 years. http://thesouthern.com/news/local/siu-ca...963f4.html

Going FBS would have bankrupted them.
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(02-22-2018 11:16 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  All they need to do is start scheduling 3 Big Ten teams a year to get money games. Then have their basketball team do the same and play 8 money games a year as well. That should be able to at least bring in $4 million a year.

The B1G has effectively cut off FCS games, although it may take a few years to completely take effect. I’m sure the SEC has a few openings in late November, though.
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(02-22-2018 08:21 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  
(02-22-2018 11:16 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  All they need to do is start scheduling 3 Big Ten teams a year to get money games. Then have their basketball team do the same and play 8 money games a year as well. That should be able to at least bring in $4 million a year.

The B1G has effectively cut off FCS games, although it may take a few years to completely take effect. I’m sure the SEC has a few openings in late November, though.

Actually the Big softened that no FCS stance and will allow future FCS games to be scheduled. Iowa will still get some home games vs Northern Iowa.
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(02-22-2018 01:26 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(02-22-2018 12:18 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(02-22-2018 11:02 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Illinois is all kinds of messed up. It's cheaper for Illinois students to go to Missouri State and pay out of state tuition than it is for them to go Illinois State, SIU, WIU, etc.

Holy cow, that's actually pretty close to true. MSU is $14,706 for out-of-state. ISU is $14,061 for in-state, SIU is 13,946 for in-state, WUI is $12,889 for in-state.

Crazy isn't it. That's why Missouri State has pushed hard recruiting efforts in Metro East area of St. Louis.

State has been trending upward for sure, the Mizzou controversy helped them as well (probably Truman too). Often times a directional state name change is mostly symbolic, but MSU has followed it up with some big improvements as an institution.

I can see why it was tempting for SIU to explore a move up to FBS - in 2007 they went 29-7 with a Sweet 16 run in basketball and 12-2 during Jerry Kill's last season before going to NIU, plus the Great Recession hadn't hit and really slammed downstate Illinois yet. Unfortunately Kill left and the basketball coach that stayed ended up running them into the ground, ISU basically replaced them as the Illinois non-FBS gem in DI.
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The entire MVC looked at moving up to FBS by merging with the WAC. WAC Commisioner Hurd said some unnamed conference was interested in merging, but it wasnt in Idaho or Seattle's interest. At the same time, Northern Iowa and Indiana State had nearby newspaper articles where their AD's stated FBS was a possibility for the football playing MVC schools. But the MVC supposedly didn't want any part of Idaho or Seattle, only NMSU and Denver, so those Pacific NW schools voted against it.
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RE: Southern Illinois athletics running a $26 million deficit
(02-22-2018 04:51 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(02-22-2018 04:32 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(02-22-2018 11:14 AM)ken d Wrote:  I'm not sure what the article means when it says SIU has a "cumulative deficit" of $26 million. Their total athletic spending is $27 million a year. I have to assume the $26 million figure is the total of some unspecified number of years. How is that meaningful?

That has to be it. They can't run that much of a deficit in 1 year.

Yes it's cumulative. If you read the original article you'd see the current year deficit is $4.8M, of which $2.6M was specific to FB, and a hair under $1M for WBB and also $1M for MBB.

I don't think 2,000 students makes that big a difference, unless they are paying over $2,000 a year in student fees each for Athletics. More realistically a full campus would only slice a few $100K off the annual deficit. Basically they need to trim around $3M off the Athletic budget and raise another $2M to reverse the situation.

Illinois and California, on opposite ends of the enrollment growth spectrum, demonstrate conclusively that level of athletic participation has minimal effect at best on enrollment. But it does consume huge resources and money.

Student fees aren't that high, but they are still high compared with most FBS schools. Another 2,000 students would cut the deficit a little - roughly $1.2 million - but that still leaves a structural deficit of $3.6 million a year which SIU has no realistic plan to eliminate. Especially given the sharp drop in state funding that all Illinois schools experienced over the past few years, and will likely never be restored.

In short, they are pretty much screwed.
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(02-22-2018 11:37 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Student enrollment at SIU is the lowest since 1965.

Holy Sh@@
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RE: Southern Illinois athletics running a $26 million deficit
The state of Illinois needs to step in and consolidate the Illinois state schools into systems that would be designated Tier I schools.

NIU: add WIU, Northeastern Illinois
SIU: add Eastern Illinois
ISU: add Grovenors st

Consolidate into less brands and structure the educational offerings at NIU, SIU, ISU to be more like a University of California system, with secondary campuses offering the basic degree programs.

Kids then could stay in state if NIU, SIU, ISU had B1G level academics. That would solve a lot of the HS grad exodus problem IMO.
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^ Not a bad idea. EIU’s existence is pointless in the middle of nowhere with UofI an hour away (plus INST). That school serves no population.
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