(02-22-2018 08:04 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 07:57 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 07:40 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 07:39 PM)Claw Wrote:  This is horrible. This guy was the school resource officer there for several years winning SRO of the year in 2014. He knew these kids and let this happen. This is awful beyond belief.

And it's yet another of layer of government that failed here...

Wrong. No matter how you deflect. This was on a human, not a "government".

LOL.... When an agent of the government fails, the government fails... It's ok to acknowledge that the government failed at something, right?

The point is that you're so fast to say

"see letting teacher conceal carry is bull**** because *THIS* time it failed"

is just as legit as saying

"see armed *GOVERNMENT TRAINED AND APPOINTED* agents failed so there is no point to having the government respond."

Pretty shaky logic. That's the equivalent of saying if one person uses a gun, all guns owners are bad. You can't possibly stretch that far.
Arming teachers may work in some situations and not in others. My feelin g is arming them will fail more often than not.

(02-22-2018 08:28 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 08:04 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 07:57 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 07:40 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  [quote='Claw' pid='15098278' dateline='1519346357']
This is horrible. This guy was the school resource officer there for several years winning SRO of the year in 2014. He knew these kids and let this happen. This is awful beyond belief.

And it's yet another of layer of government that failed here...

Wrong. No matter how you deflect. This was on a human, not a "government".

LOL.... When an agent of the government fails, the government fails... It's ok to acknowledge that the government failed at something, right?

The point is that you're so fast to say

"see letting teacher conceal carry is bull**** because *THIS* time it failed"

is just as legit as saying

"see armed *GOVERNMENT TRAINED AND APPOINTED* agents failed so there is no point to having the government respond."

Pretty shaky logic.

I agree, which is why I demonstrated how shaky your logic was by putting the shoe on the other foot.

Quote:That's the equivalent of saying if one person uses a gun, all guns owners are bad.

And that's the crux of the "Ban AR 15" schtick the dems are running... Thank you for saying it's crap logic.

Quote:You can't possibly stretch that far.

The difference is I did it in parody, you seriously did it.

Quote:Arming teachers may work in some situations and not in others.

Which would be more effective than banning a particular brand of rifle..

Quote:My feelin g is arming them will fail more often than not.

And the evidence of US, and human, history is that prohibition of something does not stop it from happening, it just created a more violent black market for it.

(02-22-2018 07:58 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I saw a tweet earlier today that said President Reagan was shot surrounded by secret service agents, but armed math teachers are now expected to protect our students?

Can you provide a link to said tweet? I wouldn't normally ask but with your recent outright lying I'm forced to.

(02-22-2018 07:58 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I saw a tweet earlier today that said President Reagan was shot surrounded by secret service agents, but armed math teachers are now expected to protect our students?

That would be correct - he got off 6 shots.

I don't think we expect Math teachers to totally protect students, but it may abort a shooting rampage earlier - may even prevent one.....and might not. With no weapons - no chance of stopping a human shooting gallery.

I've been told on this board that the main goal is officer safety and for every cop to get home safely to their families that night. I get called a cop-hater when I disagree that that is the primary mission.

This time that stance seems more popular.



Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk

I don’t think the idea is so much that a teacher would be able to stop an incident in progress, but more that the threat of an armed teacher could deter an incident from starting. Net, it would almost certainly be a gain, but I would prefer a different approach.

(02-22-2018 07:57 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 07:40 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 07:39 PM)Claw Wrote:  This is horrible. This guy was the school resource officer there for several years winning SRO of the year in 2014. He knew these kids and let this happen. This is awful beyond belief.

And it's yet another of layer of government that failed here...

Wrong. No matter how you deflect. This was on a human, not a "government".

Who put him in the position and gave him the authority to act withoiut ensuring he would?

The government.

(02-22-2018 08:54 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I don’t think the idea is so much that a teacher would be able to stop an incident in progress, but more that the threat of an armed teacher could deter an incident from starting. Net, it would almost certainly be a game, but I would prefer a different approach.

Well, it's interesting that these loonies choose schools as targets and not courthouses. Why, people in courthouses every day that carry guns.....

(02-22-2018 08:53 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I've been told on this board that the main goal is officer safety and for every cop to get home safely to their families that night. I get called a cop-hater when I disagree that that is the primary mission.

This time that stance seems more popular.



Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk

No, your stance is that officers (and firefighters) should be willing to undertake suicidal actions simply because they are wearing a badge,

It's called taking calculated risks. This mutt chose to take no risk whatsoever and remain outside without determining if he could have taken action.

But not surprised that the guy who is our resident CSNBBS Police Expert got this wrong. You typically get anything discussed about law enforcement wrong.

The answer to gun violence in schools is not more guns in schools.

(02-22-2018 08:38 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 08:28 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 08:04 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 07:57 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  [quote='Bull_Is_Back' pid='15098285' dateline='1519346408']
[quote='Claw' pid='15098278' dateline='1519346357']
This is horrible. This guy was the school resource officer there for several years winning SRO of the year in 2014. He knew these kids and let this happen. This is awful beyond belief.

And it's yet another of layer of government that failed here...

Wrong. No matter how you deflect. This was on a human, not a "government".

LOL.... When an agent of the government fails, the government fails... It's ok to acknowledge that the government failed at something, right?

The point is that you're so fast to say

"see letting teacher conceal carry is bull**** because *THIS* time it failed"

is just as legit as saying

"see armed *GOVERNMENT TRAINED AND APPOINTED* agents failed so there is no point to having the government respond."

Pretty shaky logic.

I agree, which is why I demonstrated how shaky your logic was by putting the shoe on the other foot.

Quote:That's the equivalent of saying if one person uses a gun, all guns owners are bad.

And that's the crux of the "Ban AR 15" schtick the dems are running... Thank you for saying it's crap logic.

Quote:You can't possibly stretch that far.

The difference is I did it in parody, you seriously did it.

Quote:Arming teachers may work in some situations and not in others.

Which would be more effective than banning a particular brand of rifle..

Quote:My feelin g is arming them will fail more often than not.

And the evidence of US, and human, history is that prohibition of something does not stop it from happening, it just created a more violent black market for it.
[/quote]

That may well be true, but that's a different argument. So maybe we should legalize marijuana?

You seem to take statements made in one topic and use them to refute a different discussion. Try to stay on point and not switch topics in the middle of a thread.

(02-22-2018 09:30 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  The answer to gun violence in schools is not more guns in schools.

The answer is not bans on rifles either....

There are a lot of things at play and it's simplistic to pretend any one will fix this problem.

(02-22-2018 09:34 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 08:38 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  And the evidence of US, and human, history is that prohibition of something does not stop it from happening, it just created a more violent black market for it.

That may well be true, but that's a different argument. So maybe we should legalize marijuana?

1 - Sure, legalize it....
2 - No, it's the core of the "do something, ban the AR 15" argument. That "banning" something makes them go away is silly.

When something is done, every day, legally but hundreds of thousands and it's a right then you don't get rid of it because some people break the law.

(02-22-2018 09:30 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  The answer to gun violence in schools is not more guns in schools.

Rhetorical nonsense. If someone shoots at you you will feel different.

(02-22-2018 09:36 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 09:34 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 08:38 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  And the evidence of US, and human, history is that prohibition of something does not stop it from happening, it just created a more violent black market for it.

That may well be true, but that's a different argument. So maybe we should legalize marijuana?

1 - Sure, legalize it....
2 - No, it's the core of the "do something, ban the AR 15" argument. That "banning" something makes them go away is silly.

When something is done, every day, legally but hundreds of thousands and it's a right then you don't get rid of it because some people break the law.

I'm not arguing they should be banned and I don't thin k they ever will. I think some of you get hysterical thinking somebody is going to take your guns away. Of course some lefties would like to see that but not enough to ever make it happen. Relax, you won't have to turn your guns in. Just try to find the middle ground with the lefties who are looking for the same thing.

(02-22-2018 09:41 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 09:36 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 09:34 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 08:38 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  And the evidence of US, and human, history is that prohibition of something does not stop it from happening, it just created a more violent black market for it.

That may well be true, but that's a different argument. So maybe we should legalize marijuana?

1 - Sure, legalize it....
2 - No, it's the core of the "do something, ban the AR 15" argument. That "banning" something makes them go away is silly.

When something is done, every day, legally but hundreds of thousands and it's a right then you don't get rid of it because some people break the law.

I'm not arguing they should be banned and I don't thin k they ever will. I think some of you get hysterical thinking somebody is going to take your guns away. Of course some lefties would like to see that but not enough to ever make it happen. Relax, you won't have to turn your guns in. Just try to find the middle ground with the lefties who are looking for the same thing.

As soon as I find a lefty that wants to find middle ground I will.

Well, that's helpful.

(02-22-2018 09:46 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Well, that's helpful.

You know of any? I've yet to see one on here, in real life, or in the media.

Care to point one out?

There is no left leftist solution. As always the left blames others, creates a strawman, call people names. The left never has a solution for anything. Good luck getting Bezos allowing unionization of Amazon!

(02-22-2018 09:46 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Well, that's helpful.

But it's true...

The cunning on the left (on this issue) ask us to "do something" but promise "we don't want to take your guys"... The honest on the left want to get rid of the second amendment.