1. UCONN-Basketball power & football in a BCS conference. Athletics are in shambles
2. Cincy-Was in a BCS league for 9 years & started getting good at football finally.
3. New Mexico St-no conference in football; Has to play hoops in a conference with Chicago St now. OUCH!
4. UTEP-currently one of the worst athletic programs in the country after once being part of the original WAC & later CUSA 2.0.
5. Rice-Was a part of the SWC & WAC 16 and CUSA 2.0; now awful in a conference with many directional start up programs located throughout the country.
6. Southern Miss-Proud Indy & CUSA program reduced to playing in...(See Rice)
7. BYU-Proud founder of WAC & MWC with tons of success; now plays in the high school gym league for sports and struggling as an Indy in football.
8. Old WAC/MWC members Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado St & Air Force.
9. ECU- on the verge of big boy football status as a major independent and CUSA 1.

Have to mention these guys
10. USF-was somehow part of a BCS league despite any success/history/stadium. Now not a member of the country club they were kind of a part of for a few years.
11. Temple-See USF except they do have some history: Good in hoops; Bad in football.

(02-22-2018 10:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. UCONN-Basketball power & football in a BCS conference. Athletics are in shambles
2. Cincy-Was in a BCS league for 9 years & started getting good at football finally.
3. New Mexico St-no conference in football; Has to play hoops in a conference with Chicago St now. OUCH!
4. UTEP-currently one of the worst athletic programs in the country after once being part of the original WAC & later CUSA 2.0.
5. Rice-Was a part of the SWC & WAC 16 and CUSA 2.0; now awful in a awful conference full of directional start up programs flung throughout the country.
6. Southern Miss-Proud Indy & CUSA program reduced to playing in...(See Rice)
7. BYU-Proud founder of WAC & MWC with tons of success; now plays in the high school gym league for sports and struggling as an Indy in football.
8. Old WAC/MWC members Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado St & Air Force.
9. ECU- on the verge of big boy football status as a major independent and CUSA 1.

Have to mention these guys
10. USF-was somehow part of a BCS league despite any success/history/stadium. Now not a member of the country club they were kind of a part of for a few years.
11. Temple-See USF except they do have some history: Good in hoops; Bad in football.

Most of those schools have themselves largely to blame. Especially BYU.

(02-22-2018 10:37 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. UCONN-Basketball power & football in a BCS conference. Athletics are in shambles
2. Cincy-Was in a BCS league for 9 years & started getting good at football finally.
3. New Mexico St-no conference in football; Has to play hoops in a conference with Chicago St now. OUCH!
4. UTEP-currently one of the worst athletic programs in the country after once being part of the original WAC & later CUSA 2.0.
5. Rice-Was a part of the SWC & WAC 16 and CUSA 2.0; now awful in a awful conference full of directional start up programs flung throughout the country.
6. Southern Miss-Proud Indy & CUSA program reduced to playing in...(See Rice)
7. BYU-Proud founder of WAC & MWC with tons of success; now plays in the high school gym league for sports and struggling as an Indy in football.
8. Old WAC/MWC members Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado St & Air Force.
9. ECU- on the verge of big boy football status as a major independent and CUSA 1.

Have to mention these guys
10. USF-was somehow part of a BCS league despite any success/history/stadium. Now not a member of the country club they were kind of a part of for a few years.
11. Temple-See USF except they do have some history: Good in hoops; Bad in football.

Most of those schools have themselves largely to blame. Especially BYU.

Well, maybe on BYU. But BYU would be in the MWC if Utah and TCU were still with them. Those 2 moves were out of their control.

(02-22-2018 10:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. UCONN-Basketball power & football in a BCS conference. Athletics are in shambles
2. Cincy-Was in a BCS league for 9 years & started getting good at football finally.
3. New Mexico St-no conference in football; Has to play hoops in a conference with Chicago St now. OUCH!
4. UTEP-currently one of the worst athletic programs in the country after once being part of the original WAC & later CUSA 2.0.
5. Rice-Was a part of the SWC & WAC 16 and CUSA 2.0; now awful in a awful conference full of directional start up programs flung throughout the country.
6. Southern Miss-Proud Indy & CUSA program reduced to playing in...(See Rice)
7. BYU-Proud founder of WAC & MWC with tons of success; now plays in the high school gym league for sports and struggling as an Indy in football.
8. Old WAC/MWC members Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado St & Air Force.
9. ECU- on the verge of big boy football status as a major independent and CUSA 1.

Have to mention these guys
10. USF-was somehow part of a BCS league despite any success/history/stadium. Now not a member of the country club they were kind of a part of for a few years.
11. Temple-See USF except they do have some history: Good in hoops; Bad in football.

Don't knock the 3 holdovers from C-USA West. C-USA West finished with 5 of the 7 teams bowl eligible. Only Rice and UTEP failed to post winning records. Southern Miss is doing well in C-USA (played Florida State in the Independence Bowl this past season).

Overall, C-USA had 10 of our 14 teams finish bowl eligible. And, we sent a C-USA record 9 teams to bowl games. C-USA is doing just fine.

If you want to say Rice, UTEP, and USM got left behind in during realignment, that is fine. They did. But, don't come on here and claim the current configuration of C-USA is an inferior conference.

By the way East Carolina is directional too.

BYU’s coaching policy, where they only hire fellow Mormons is also a huge problem.

(02-22-2018 11:08 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. UCONN-Basketball power & football in a BCS conference. Athletics are in shambles
2. Cincy-Was in a BCS league for 9 years & started getting good at football finally.
3. New Mexico St-no conference in football; Has to play hoops in a conference with Chicago St now. OUCH!
4. UTEP-currently one of the worst athletic programs in the country after once being part of the original WAC & later CUSA 2.0.
5. Rice-Was a part of the SWC & WAC 16 and CUSA 2.0; now awful in a awful conference full of directional start up programs flung throughout the country.
6. Southern Miss-Proud Indy & CUSA program reduced to playing in...(See Rice)
7. BYU-Proud founder of WAC & MWC with tons of success; now plays in the high school gym league for sports and struggling as an Indy in football.
8. Old WAC/MWC members Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado St & Air Force.
9. ECU- on the verge of big boy football status as a major independent and CUSA 1.

Have to mention these guys
10. USF-was somehow part of a BCS league despite any success/history/stadium. Now not a member of the country club they were kind of a part of for a few years.
11. Temple-See USF except they do have some history: Good in hoops; Bad in football.

Don't knock the 3 holdovers from C-USA West. C-USA West finished with 5 of the 7 teams bowl eligible. Only Rice and UTEP failed to post winning records. Southern Miss is doing well in C-USA (played Florida State in the Independence Bowl this past season).

Overall, C-USA had 10 of our 14 teams finish bowl eligible. And, we sent a C-USA record 9 teams to bowl games. C-USA is doing just fine.

If you want to say Rice, UTEP, and USM got left behind in during realignment, that is fine. They did. But, don't come on here and claim the current configuration of C-USA is an inferior conference.

By the way East Carolina is directional too.

The current C-USA is objectively inferior to the pre-2013 version, which itself was objectively inferior to the pre-2005 version. A conference can't lose most of its best programs and still be considered as good as before.

1 Idaho
2 Connecticut
3 Cincinnati
4 El Paso
5 Southern Miss
6 Birmingham
7 Rice
8 South Florida
9 Brigham Young
10 Charlotte
11 Wilmington
12 William&Mary
13 Hofstra
14 Fort Wayne
15 Dayton

(02-22-2018 11:08 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. UCONN-Basketball power & football in a BCS conference. Athletics are in shambles
2. Cincy-Was in a BCS league for 9 years & started getting good at football finally.
3. New Mexico St-no conference in football; Has to play hoops in a conference with Chicago St now. OUCH!
4. UTEP-currently one of the worst athletic programs in the country after once being part of the original WAC & later CUSA 2.0.
5. Rice-Was a part of the SWC & WAC 16 and CUSA 2.0; now awful in a awful conference full of directional start up programs flung throughout the country.
6. Southern Miss-Proud Indy & CUSA program reduced to playing in...(See Rice)
7. BYU-Proud founder of WAC & MWC with tons of success; now plays in the high school gym league for sports and struggling as an Indy in football.
8. Old WAC/MWC members Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado St & Air Force.
9. ECU- on the verge of big boy football status as a major independent and CUSA 1.

Have to mention these guys
10. USF-was somehow part of a BCS league despite any success/history/stadium. Now not a member of the country club they were kind of a part of for a few years.
11. Temple-See USF except they do have some history: Good in hoops; Bad in football.

Don't knock the 3 holdovers from C-USA West. C-USA West finished with 5 of the 7 teams bowl eligible. Only Rice and UTEP failed to post winning records. Southern Miss is doing well in C-USA (played Florida State in the Independence Bowl this past season).

Overall, C-USA had 10 of our 14 teams finish bowl eligible. And, we sent a C-USA record 9 teams to bowl games. C-USA is doing just fine.

If you want to say Rice, UTEP, and USM got left behind in during realignment, that is fine. They did. But, don't come on here and claim the current configuration of C-USA is an inferior conference.

By the way East Carolina is directional too.

The Orginal CUSA was the strongest CUSA 1995-2005.
CUSA 2.0 (05-13) was still strong.
CUSA 3.0 is nothing compared to what is was after losing
1 Louisville, 2 Cincinnati , 3 USF 4 Marquette 5 St Louis 6 Depaul 7 Houston 8 SMU 9 Tulane 10 Tulsa 11 UCF 12 ECU 13 Memphis 14 Charlotte
CUSA lost 14 schools from 2005-2014! Then added 10 recent start ups from all the country including the retaking of Charlotte and its start up football team and UAB after they dropped football. CUSA is the least stable of the 10 FBS conferences IMO. I will come on here and tell you CUSA is an inferior conference because it is.

(02-22-2018 10:59 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:37 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. UCONN-Basketball power & football in a BCS conference. Athletics are in shambles
2. Cincy-Was in a BCS league for 9 years & started getting good at football finally.
3. New Mexico St-no conference in football; Has to play hoops in a conference with Chicago St now. OUCH!
4. UTEP-currently one of the worst athletic programs in the country after once being part of the original WAC & later CUSA 2.0.
5. Rice-Was a part of the SWC & WAC 16 and CUSA 2.0; now awful in a awful conference full of directional start up programs flung throughout the country.
6. Southern Miss-Proud Indy & CUSA program reduced to playing in...(See Rice)
7. BYU-Proud founder of WAC & MWC with tons of success; now plays in the high school gym league for sports and struggling as an Indy in football.
8. Old WAC/MWC members Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado St & Air Force.
9. ECU- on the verge of big boy football status as a major independent and CUSA 1.

Have to mention these guys
10. USF-was somehow part of a BCS league despite any success/history/stadium. Now not a member of the country club they were kind of a part of for a few years.
11. Temple-See USF except they do have some history: Good in hoops; Bad in football.

Most of those schools have themselves largely to blame. Especially BYU.

Well, maybe on BYU. But BYU would be in the MWC if Utah and TCU were still with them. Those 2 moves were out of their control.

BYU bailed before TCU left. They brought on their problems all by themselves, some of the MWC Do not want them back with all the trouble they cause.



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(02-22-2018 11:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 11:08 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. UCONN-Basketball power & football in a BCS conference. Athletics are in shambles
2. Cincy-Was in a BCS league for 9 years & started getting good at football finally.
3. New Mexico St-no conference in football; Has to play hoops in a conference with Chicago St now. OUCH!
4. UTEP-currently one of the worst athletic programs in the country after once being part of the original WAC & later CUSA 2.0.
5. Rice-Was a part of the SWC & WAC 16 and CUSA 2.0; now awful in a awful conference full of directional start up programs flung throughout the country.
6. Southern Miss-Proud Indy & CUSA program reduced to playing in...(See Rice)
7. BYU-Proud founder of WAC & MWC with tons of success; now plays in the high school gym league for sports and struggling as an Indy in football.
8. Old WAC/MWC members Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado St & Air Force.
9. ECU- on the verge of big boy football status as a major independent and CUSA 1.

Have to mention these guys
10. USF-was somehow part of a BCS league despite any success/history/stadium. Now not a member of the country club they were kind of a part of for a few years.
11. Temple-See USF except they do have some history: Good in hoops; Bad in football.

Don't knock the 3 holdovers from C-USA West. C-USA West finished with 5 of the 7 teams bowl eligible. Only Rice and UTEP failed to post winning records. Southern Miss is doing well in C-USA (played Florida State in the Independence Bowl this past season).

Overall, C-USA had 10 of our 14 teams finish bowl eligible. And, we sent a C-USA record 9 teams to bowl games. C-USA is doing just fine.

If you want to say Rice, UTEP, and USM got left behind in during realignment, that is fine. They did. But, don't come on here and claim the current configuration of C-USA is an inferior conference.

By the way East Carolina is directional too.

The Orginal CUSA was the strongest CUSA 1995-2005.
CUSA 2.0 (05-13) was still strong.
CUSA 3.0 is nothing compared to what is was after losing
1 Louisville, 2 Cincinnati , 3 USF 4 Marquette 5 St Louis 6 Depaul 7 Houston 8 SMU 9 Tulane 10 Tulsa 11 UCF 12 ECU 13 Memphis 14 Charlotte
CUSA lost 14 schools from 2005-2014! Then added 10 recent start ups from all the country including the retaking of Charlotte and its start up football team and UAB after they dropped football. CUSA is the least stable of the 10 FBS conferences IMO. I will come on here and tell you CUSA is an inferior conference because it is.

Overall, you make a good argument. However, calling all adds since 2013 "startups" is a bit of a stretch. I'd say they added 3 startups for sure (UTSA, ODU, Charlotte), 3 more if you include WKU (as an "FBS startup") and FAU/FIU, and 1 more if you count UAB's reboot.

School: 1st FB Year/1st "Major" FB Year/Joined C-USA for FB

Rice: 1912/1914/2005
UTEP: 1914/1935/2005
Southern Miss: 1912/1963/1996
Marshall: 1895/1997/2005

Louisiana Tech: 1901/1989/2013
North Texas: 1913/1995/2013
Middle Tennessee: 1911/1999/2013

FAU: 2001/2004/2013
FIU: 2002/2004/2013
Western Kentucky: 1908/2007/2014

UTSA: 2011/2012/2013
Old Dominion: (1930) 2009/2014/2014
Charlotte: 2013/2015/2015

UAB: 1991/1996/1999 (2017)

(02-22-2018 10:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. UCONN-Basketball power & football in a BCS conference. Athletics are in shambles
2. Cincy-Was in a BCS league for 9 years & started getting good at football finally.
3. New Mexico St-no conference in football; Has to play hoops in a conference with Chicago St now. OUCH!
4. UTEP-currently one of the worst athletic programs in the country after once being part of the original WAC & later CUSA 2.0.
5. Rice-Was a part of the SWC & WAC 16 and CUSA 2.0; now awful in a awful conference full of directional start up programs flung throughout the country.
6. Southern Miss-Proud Indy & CUSA program reduced to playing in...(See Rice)
7. BYU-Proud founder of WAC & MWC with tons of success; now plays in the high school gym league for sports and struggling as an Indy in football.
8. Old WAC/MWC members Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado St & Air Force.
9. ECU- on the verge of big boy football status as a major independent and CUSA 1.

Have to mention these guys
10. USF-was somehow part of a BCS league despite any success/history/stadium. Now not a member of the country club they were kind of a part of for a few years.
11. Temple-See USF except they do have some history: Good in hoops; Bad in football.

UCONN and Cincy are still both in arguably the 6th best football conference, it's not an auto-bid, but ya know...

In basketball UCONN won a natty only 4 years ago, but their lack of performance since then is not due to the conference. All I'm saying is Cincy and Wichita St. don't seem to have that problem.

How about phrasing the question a little differently?

"Which fanbase is the most miserable due to realignment?"

Idaho and UConn seem worse off than anyone else. Rice fans give the impression that they're not happy with it, but begrudgingly understand. NMSU isn't happy, either, but they seem more hopeful. UConn and Idaho fans strike me as bitter and angry.

(02-22-2018 10:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. UCONN-Basketball power & football in a BCS conference. Athletics are in shambles
2. Cincy-Was in a BCS league for 9 years & started getting good at football finally.

USF is obviously #3, actually co-#2 with Cincy, ECU jealousy of our getting the Big East bid in 2005 notwithstanding.

(02-22-2018 10:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. UCONN-Basketball power & football in a BCS conference. Athletics are in shambles
2. Cincy-Was in a BCS league for 9 years & started getting good at football finally.
3. New Mexico St-no conference in football; Has to play hoops in a conference with Chicago St now. OUCH!
4. UTEP-currently one of the worst athletic programs in the country after once being part of the original WAC & later CUSA 2.0.
5. Rice-Was a part of the SWC & WAC 16 and CUSA 2.0; now awful in a awful conference full of directional start up programs flung throughout the country.
6. Southern Miss-Proud Indy & CUSA program reduced to playing in...(See Rice)
7. BYU-Proud founder of WAC & MWC with tons of success; now plays in the high school gym league for sports and struggling as an Indy in football.
8. Old WAC/MWC members Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado St & Air Force.
9. ECU- on the verge of big boy football status as a major independent and CUSA 1.

Have to mention these guys
10. USF-was somehow part of a BCS league despite any success/history/stadium. Now not a member of the country club they were kind of a part of for a few years.
11. Temple-See USF except they do have some history: Good in hoops; Bad in football.

12. Marshall. Proud MAC program: now in a awful conference full of directional start up programs flung throughout the country.

(02-22-2018 11:53 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:59 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:37 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. UCONN-Basketball power & football in a BCS conference. Athletics are in shambles
2. Cincy-Was in a BCS league for 9 years & started getting good at football finally.
3. New Mexico St-no conference in football; Has to play hoops in a conference with Chicago St now. OUCH!
4. UTEP-currently one of the worst athletic programs in the country after once being part of the original WAC & later CUSA 2.0.
5. Rice-Was a part of the SWC & WAC 16 and CUSA 2.0; now awful in a awful conference full of directional start up programs flung throughout the country.
6. Southern Miss-Proud Indy & CUSA program reduced to playing in...(See Rice)
7. BYU-Proud founder of WAC & MWC with tons of success; now plays in the high school gym league for sports and struggling as an Indy in football.
8. Old WAC/MWC members Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado St & Air Force.
9. ECU- on the verge of big boy football status as a major independent and CUSA 1.

Have to mention these guys
10. USF-was somehow part of a BCS league despite any success/history/stadium. Now not a member of the country club they were kind of a part of for a few years.
11. Temple-See USF except they do have some history: Good in hoops; Bad in football.

Most of those schools have themselves largely to blame. Especially BYU.

Well, maybe on BYU. But BYU would be in the MWC if Utah and TCU were still with them. Those 2 moves were out of their control.

BYU bailed before TCU left. They brought on their problems all by themselves, some of the MWC Do not want them back with all the trouble they cause.



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I completely disagree with this entire line of thinking. BYU shouldn't be on this list at all and, in fact, they were one of the only schools that were actually able to mitigate or even eliminate the effects of their conference getting poached as applied to their own program. Probably the only other schools that could say that are the Catholic 7 forming the new Big East.

BYU's supposed "struggles as an independent" are purely on-the-field. However, "success" (or lack thereof) in conference realignment is about off-the-field issues. On that front, BYU makes more TV money today with more TV exposure than they did before. The "high school gym" also intimates that the WCC for basketball is somehow a negative when the reality is that it's a push at worst competitively and a net positive in a lot of areas (as Gonzaga is a much bigger basketball brand than anyone in the MWC and the religiously-oriented league fits BYU from an institutional standpoint).

Now, the main conference realignment negative for BYU is that their biggest rival (Utah) is in the Pac-12. I won't underestimate that at all and it's the reason why a G5 conference attempting to get BYU to join them would be about as successful as inviting Notre Dame. So, BYU certainly cares that they aren't in a Power Five conference and, on that front, you could say that any school that isn't in one of those leagues (besides maybe the Big East for basketball) is a loser in conference realignment. However, it's disingenuous to think that BYU really cares about the old conference setups in the WAC or MWC. Ultimately, BYU is essentially doing as well as any FBS school possibly could while existing outside of a Power Five conference.

(02-23-2018 09:20 AM)No Bull Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. UCONN-Basketball power & football in a BCS conference. Athletics are in shambles
2. Cincy-Was in a BCS league for 9 years & started getting good at football finally.
3. New Mexico St-no conference in football; Has to play hoops in a conference with Chicago St now. OUCH!
4. UTEP-currently one of the worst athletic programs in the country after once being part of the original WAC & later CUSA 2.0.
5. Rice-Was a part of the SWC & WAC 16 and CUSA 2.0; now awful in a awful conference full of directional start up programs flung throughout the country.
6. Southern Miss-Proud Indy & CUSA program reduced to playing in...(See Rice)
7. BYU-Proud founder of WAC & MWC with tons of success; now plays in the high school gym league for sports and struggling as an Indy in football.
8. Old WAC/MWC members Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado St & Air Force.
9. ECU- on the verge of big boy football status as a major independent and CUSA 1.

Have to mention these guys
10. USF-was somehow part of a BCS league despite any success/history/stadium. Now not a member of the country club they were kind of a part of for a few years.
11. Temple-See USF except they do have some history: Good in hoops; Bad in football.

12. Marshall. Proud MAC program: now in a awful conference full of directional start up programs flung throughout the country.

Hahahahaha....Good add. Marshall had less years in Division 1 than Rice, USM & UTEP and was never at least a tweener like UTEP & USM. That’s why I didn’t add them, but I should have.

(02-23-2018 08:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. UCONN-Basketball power & football in a BCS conference. Athletics are in shambles
2. Cincy-Was in a BCS league for 9 years & started getting good at football finally.

USF is obviously #3, actually co-#2 with Cincy, ECU jealousy of our getting the Big East bid in 2005 notwithstanding.

Agreed. USF was actually directly in the power structure for a period of time, so their loss on all levels (financially, prestige, access to bowls, status) will always dwarf anyone other than UConn and Cincinnati. People might argue that they won the Powerball when they were invited to Big East 2.0, but that doesn't make it hurt any less when that Powerball money and status evaporates.

(02-23-2018 09:31 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 11:53 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:59 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:37 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. UCONN-Basketball power & football in a BCS conference. Athletics are in shambles
2. Cincy-Was in a BCS league for 9 years & started getting good at football finally.
3. New Mexico St-no conference in football; Has to play hoops in a conference with Chicago St now. OUCH!
4. UTEP-currently one of the worst athletic programs in the country after once being part of the original WAC & later CUSA 2.0.
5. Rice-Was a part of the SWC & WAC 16 and CUSA 2.0; now awful in a awful conference full of directional start up programs flung throughout the country.
6. Southern Miss-Proud Indy & CUSA program reduced to playing in...(See Rice)
7. BYU-Proud founder of WAC & MWC with tons of success; now plays in the high school gym league for sports and struggling as an Indy in football.
8. Old WAC/MWC members Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado St & Air Force.
9. ECU- on the verge of big boy football status as a major independent and CUSA 1.

Have to mention these guys
10. USF-was somehow part of a BCS league despite any success/history/stadium. Now not a member of the country club they were kind of a part of for a few years.
11. Temple-See USF except they do have some history: Good in hoops; Bad in football.

Most of those schools have themselves largely to blame. Especially BYU.

Well, maybe on BYU. But BYU would be in the MWC if Utah and TCU were still with them. Those 2 moves were out of their control.

BYU bailed before TCU left. They brought on their problems all by themselves, some of the MWC Do not want them back with all the trouble they cause.



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I completely disagree with this entire line of thinking. BYU shouldn't be on this list at all and, in fact, they were one of the only schools that were actually able to mitigate or even eliminate the effects of their conference getting poached as applied to their own program. Probably the only other schools that could say that are the Catholic 7 forming the new Big East.

BYU's supposed "struggles as an independent" are purely on-the-field. However, "success" (or lack thereof) in conference realignment is about off-the-field issues,. On that front, BYU makes more TV money today with more TV exposure than they did before. The "high school gym" also intimates that the WCC for basketball is somehow a negative when the reality is that it's a push at worst competitively and a net positive in a lot of areas (as Gonzaga is a much bigger basketball brand than anyone in the MWC and the religiously-oriented league fits BYU from an institutional standpoint).

Now, the main conference realignment negative for BYU is that their biggest rival (Utah) is in the Pac-12. I won't underestimate that at all and it's the reason why a G5 conference attempting to get BYU to join them would be about as successful as inviting Notre Dame. So, BYU certainly cares that they aren't in a Power Five conference and, on that front, you could say that any school that isn't in one of those leagues (besides maybe the Big East for basketball) is a loser in conference realignment. However, it's disingenuous to think that BYU really cares about the old conference setups in the WAC or MWC. Ultimately, BYU is essentially doing as well as any FBS school possibly could while existing outside of a Power Five conference.

Frank,
You always say =“think like a college president.” I’m telling you to think to like The LDS Church leadership that calls the shots at BYU. . You can’t because you don’t know anything about it or BYU. I’ll concede to you on law issues as I’m not an attorney. Please believe me that you are dead wrong with this quote : “it’s disingenuous to think that.BYU really cares about the old conference setups in the WAC or MWC.” You are dead wrong.

(02-22-2018 11:32 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 11:08 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. UCONN-Basketball power & football in a BCS conference. Athletics are in shambles
2. Cincy-Was in a BCS league for 9 years & started getting good at football finally.
3. New Mexico St-no conference in football; Has to play hoops in a conference with Chicago St now. OUCH!
4. UTEP-currently one of the worst athletic programs in the country after once being part of the original WAC & later CUSA 2.0.
5. Rice-Was a part of the SWC & WAC 16 and CUSA 2.0; now awful in a awful conference full of directional start up programs flung throughout the country.
6. Southern Miss-Proud Indy & CUSA program reduced to playing in...(See Rice)
7. BYU-Proud founder of WAC & MWC with tons of success; now plays in the high school gym league for sports and struggling as an Indy in football.
8. Old WAC/MWC members Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado St & Air Force.
9. ECU- on the verge of big boy football status as a major independent and CUSA 1.

Have to mention these guys
10. USF-was somehow part of a BCS league despite any success/history/stadium. Now not a member of the country club they were kind of a part of for a few years.
11. Temple-See USF except they do have some history: Good in hoops; Bad in football.

Don't knock the 3 holdovers from C-USA West. C-USA West finished with 5 of the 7 teams bowl eligible. Only Rice and UTEP failed to post winning records. Southern Miss is doing well in C-USA (played Florida State in the Independence Bowl this past season).

Overall, C-USA had 10 of our 14 teams finish bowl eligible. And, we sent a C-USA record 9 teams to bowl games. C-USA is doing just fine.

If you want to say Rice, UTEP, and USM got left behind in during realignment, that is fine. They did. But, don't come on here and claim the current configuration of C-USA is an inferior conference.

By the way East Carolina is directional too.

The Orginal CUSA was the strongest CUSA 1995-2005.
CUSA 2.0 (05-13) was still strong.
CUSA 3.0 is nothing compared to what is was after losing
1 Louisville, 2 Cincinnati , 3 USF 4 Marquette 5 St Louis 6 Depaul 7 Houston 8 SMU 9 Tulane 10 Tulsa 11 UCF 12 ECU 13 Memphis 14 Charlotte
CUSA lost 14 schools from 2005-2014! Then added 10 recent start ups from all the country including the retaking of Charlotte and its start up football team and UAB after they dropped football. CUSA is the least stable of the 10 FBS conferences IMO. I will come on here and tell you CUSA is an inferior conference because it is.

I don't have an problem with that but that's not the problem with the schools you mentioned lack of success. They should be cleaning up in an inferior conference no?

Schools not keeping up with changes is different than being hurt by changes happening around them.

(02-22-2018 11:25 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 11:08 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:11 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  1. UCONN-Basketball power & football in a BCS conference. Athletics are in shambles
2. Cincy-Was in a BCS league for 9 years & started getting good at football finally.
3. New Mexico St-no conference in football; Has to play hoops in a conference with Chicago St now. OUCH!
4. UTEP-currently one of the worst athletic programs in the country after once being part of the original WAC & later CUSA 2.0.
5. Rice-Was a part of the SWC & WAC 16 and CUSA 2.0; now awful in a awful conference full of directional start up programs flung throughout the country.
6. Southern Miss-Proud Indy & CUSA program reduced to playing in...(See Rice)
7. BYU-Proud founder of WAC & MWC with tons of success; now plays in the high school gym league for sports and struggling as an Indy in football.
8. Old WAC/MWC members Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado St & Air Force.
9. ECU- on the verge of big boy football status as a major independent and CUSA 1.

Have to mention these guys
10. USF-was somehow part of a BCS league despite any success/history/stadium. Now not a member of the country club they were kind of a part of for a few years.
11. Temple-See USF except they do have some history: Good in hoops; Bad in football.

Don't knock the 3 holdovers from C-USA West. C-USA West finished with 5 of the 7 teams bowl eligible. Only Rice and UTEP failed to post winning records. Southern Miss is doing well in C-USA (played Florida State in the Independence Bowl this past season).

Overall, C-USA had 10 of our 14 teams finish bowl eligible. And, we sent a C-USA record 9 teams to bowl games. C-USA is doing just fine.

If you want to say Rice, UTEP, and USM got left behind in during realignment, that is fine. They did. But, don't come on here and claim the current configuration of C-USA is an inferior conference.

By the way East Carolina is directional too.

The current C-USA is objectively inferior to the pre-2013 version, which itself was objectively inferior to the pre-2005 version. A conference can't lose most of its best programs and still be considered as good as before.

And making a bowl game is not ostensibly hard these days, it's like winning 15 games in basketball.