Barrier has been killing us all year with very substandard shooting.

(02-23-2018 11:33 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Barrier has been killing us all year with very substandard shooting.

IMO she needs to find a shot doctor this off season to retool and recreate her shot into a more traditional shooting technique. Scrap that overhead high arcing shot. Find a dart board and teach her how to shoot darts the proper way. Then transfer that to the shooting drills. Her FT percentage is 63.5. I always felt that starting guards should all be above 70%.

(02-23-2018 11:33 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Barrier has been killing us all year with very substandard shooting.

Add turnovers to the list. Keep the ball in Logan's hands as much as possible. Nonchalant passes and happy feet travels are driving me nutz!

(02-23-2018 01:52 PM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 01:39 PM)dan10 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 09:54 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  If the Lady Dukes lose (pity the thought) AND assuming both Drexel and JMU finish with 16-2 records tied for 1st, I believe the top seed will then be determined by a flip of the coin.

The first tie-breaker is head-to-head which would be a wash as they would split.

The next tie-breaker rule is how did they do against the 3rd seed Elon, which would also be a wash because both would be 1-1.

Then, they go to the 4th seed, 5th seed, and so on. Well, those are a wash as well because both DU and JMU would both be 2-0 against all of 'em.

The final tie-breaker given none of the above breaks 'em goes to a coin flip.

Of course, I hope the Good Gals take care of business tonight in Philly and all of this is moot.

Go Dukes!

Incorrect. They got rid of the coin flip and replaced it with best RPI. So if Both finish with 2 losses Drexel wins via best RPI.

Thanks. Wasn't aware of the change. Though, it makes sense because last CAA Rules Handbook webpage I could find was back in '14 I believe. Again, I appreciate the heads up.

Side note, I guess I'll never completely understand the RPI. I get the formula I mean. Just that, it is hard to swallow looking at the 2 teams' RPI stats side-by-side and somehow resulting in Drexel being 20 spots ahead of us (51 to 71)...

Overall Strength of Schedule: JMU = 98, Drexel = 132

Non-CAA Strength of Schedule: JMU = 46, Drexel = 182

vs Top 100 RPI teams: JMU = 3-7, Drexel = 1-6

I can only figure our loss at home to St. Joe's (RPI = 164) is making a huge difference. Note, Drexel has no losses to teams with RPI > 100.

I still applaud our staff and administration for supporting the LD's playing a challenging non-CAA schedule. I think it helps us prepare for the CAA schedule and should help in terms of fan interest + recruiting. It's good the program has the clout to attract top flight programs to play us home-and-away giving us games in H'burg (Tennessee, Rutgers, FSU, and the list goes on...).

RPI I'd definitely flawed. There's no doubt you played a tougher slate OOC. I think both teams sos should be better. Ultimately it comes down to winning. Playing good teams helps but jmu lost just about each of those games. We had fewer (PSU and wvu) but also lost. And yes losing to St Joe's definitely hurt you guys in that department. Great game last night by both. A very typical Drexel/JMU game. Hopefully we can hold serve the rest of the way and avoid the random conference loss and take the #1 seed (been doing that this year but not in year past)

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Lexie has been having a very uneven season shooting wise this year. Have seen a number of games where she shoots well and takes care of the ball and others where she just could not buy a basket. Not sure what is going on but I am sure Coach O and the staff are working with her.

Disappointing loss yesterday by the Dukes but they fought all game long and almost pulled it out. Free throw shooting (or lack thereof) probably cost them the game. Their FT shooting has been pretty horrid for most of the season, not sure how you fix that.

Was very difficult watching the game from the DAC yesterday as the lighting semed really low and substandard. Had a lot of trouble seeing the ball around the basket. To any of the Dukes fans who were at the game last night, was the arena unusually dark or was it just a TV thing?

In any case looking forward to tomorrows game vs the Chickens. Will be there ROOTIN!!

Brian

I will never really understand RPI, and frankly I think as a manner of determining which is the stronger team, it's total crap. Strength of schedule should also be a determining factor and at least as important. Playing cupcakes gets you nowhere. Now we not only have to win, but root for Drexel and Elon to LOSE :)) That's a tall order, folks!

This team is different from most of the ones y'all are used to in the last few years. Coming from Tennessee and having seen their teams over the years, I can't really single out one particular one to compare them to, but It kind of reminds me of maybe the '93-'94 team, which didn't win any championships but was a close-knit team without a real star. You have to remember that this team, especially the starters, is made up mostly of sophomores (and one junior). which means they are still not where they are going to be in a year or two. Look at how Logan has come along this year! And I can see Kamiah, Kayla, and Devon really being stars before they graduate. Tori is starting to show some real promise too. Lexie will get there. The best thing about this team is that they knew coming in that they didn't have a "star", and that they don't have anyone with that disruptive "star personality" (a la Diamond DeShields, just as a for instance). They knew everything was going to have to get done "by committee", so to speak, and they've tried to do it. Scoring is even and spread out; that's okay, because it tends to confuse opponents as they can't just shut one player down. And you can sense the closeness of the team, especially if you sit as close to the floor as I do. They really *like* each other. That's worth a lot. Frankly, I'm a little surprised that they've done as well as they have this year. Also very pleased for them. Y'all should be too. This is really a special group of young women.

(02-24-2018 11:42 AM)ParentofJMUMRDs Wrote:  Lexie has been having a very uneven season shooting wise this year. Have seen a number of games where she shoots well and takes care of the ball and others where she just could not buy a basket. Not sure what is going on but I am sure Coach O and the staff are working with her.

Disappointing loss yesterday by the Dukes but they fought all game long and almost pulled it out. Free throw shooting (or lack thereof) probably cost them the game. Their FT shooting has been pretty horrid for most of the season, not sure how you fix that.

Was very difficult watching the game from the DAC yesterday as the lighting semed really low and substandard. Had a lot of trouble seeing the ball around the basket. To any of the Dukes fans who were at the game last night, was the arena unusually dark or was it just a TV thing?

In any case looking forward to tomorrows game vs the Chickens. Will be there ROOTIN!!

Brian

The DAC is a very bright arena, even though I do think that they need a lighting upgrade. If you ever watched a real televised game from there, you wouldn't think lighting is a problem. The Drexel video streams are not of the best quality and it does look darker on the stream. Hopefully soon the CAA will invest in standardizing each school's video feeds and upgrading the quality. With no TV contract in the CAA, broadcasts of basketball games have been a joke to say the least.

In terms of the free throw shooting, it was terrible for both teams. Either team could have won much sooner had they done better from the line. But that was such a hard fought physical game, and that may have had something to do with the poor shooting.

(02-24-2018 11:59 AM)orange-to-purple Wrote:  I will never really understand RPI, and frankly I think as a manner of determining which is the stronger team, it's total crap. Strength of schedule should also be a determining factor and at least as important. Playing cupcakes gets you nowhere. Now we not only have to win, but root for Drexel and Elon to LOSE :)) That's a tall order, folks!

This team is different from most of the ones y'all are used to in the last few years. Coming from Tennessee and having seen their teams over the years, I can't really single out one particular one to compare them to, but It kind of reminds me of maybe the '93-'94 team, which didn't win any championships but was a close-knit team without a real star. You have to remember that this team, especially the starters, is made up mostly of sophomores (and one junior). which means they are still not where they are going to be in a year or two. Look at how Logan has come along this year! And I can see Kamiah, Kayla, and Devon really being stars before they graduate. Tori is starting to show some real promise too. Lexie will get there. The best thing about this team is that they knew coming in that they didn't have a "star", and that they don't have anyone with that disruptive "star personality" (a la Diamond DeShields, just as a for instance). They knew everything was going to have to get done "by committee", so to speak, and they've tried to do it. Scoring is even and spread out; that's okay, because it tends to confuse opponents as they can't just shut one player down. And you can sense the closeness of the team, especially if you sit as close to the floor as I do. They really *like* each other. That's worth a lot. Frankly, I'm a little surprised that they've done as well as they have this year. Also very pleased for them. Y'all should be too. This is really a special group of young women.

The thing with the RPI is that it really doesn't mean anything other than a guide to see how your team compares to others. This tiebreaker thing is the first time I've ever seen the RPI used for a real purpose. Personally, NCAA Tournament selections are the biggest joke. I would rather see the at-large teams fielded by some sort of RPI like formula that everyone is aware of. It would be much fairer than the current system where a bunch of clueless old farts sit in a room and make decisions based on the "eye-test" and crap like that.

(02-24-2018 11:59 AM)orange-to-purple Wrote:  I will never really understand RPI, and frankly I think as a manner of determining which is the stronger team, it's total crap. Strength of schedule should also be a determining factor and at least as important. Playing cupcakes gets you nowhere. Now we not only have to win, but root for Drexel and Elon to LOSE :)) That's a tall order, folks!

This team is different from most of the ones y'all are used to in the last few years. Coming from Tennessee and having seen their teams over the years, I can't really single out one particular one to compare them to, but It kind of reminds me of maybe the '93-'94 team, which didn't win any championships but was a close-knit team without a real star. You have to remember that this team, especially the starters, is made up mostly of sophomores (and one junior). which means they are still not where they are going to be in a year or two. Look at how Logan has come along this year! And I can see Kamiah, Kayla, and Devon really being stars before they graduate. Tori is starting to show some real promise too. Lexie will get there. The best thing about this team is that they knew coming in that they didn't have a "star", and that they don't have anyone with that disruptive "star personality" (a la Diamond DeShields, just as a for instance). They knew everything was going to have to get done "by committee", so to speak, and they've tried to do it. Scoring is even and spread out; that's okay, because it tends to confuse opponents as they can't just shut one player down. And you can sense the closeness of the team, especially if you sit as close to the floor as I do. They really *like* each other. That's worth a lot. Frankly, I'm a little surprised that they've done as well as they have this year. Also very pleased for them. Y'all should be too. This is really a special group of young women.

So instead of a formula that has some value based on results you'd rather a completely random coin flip?

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(02-24-2018 12:30 PM)J.B. Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 11:59 AM)orange-to-purple Wrote:  I will never really understand RPI, and frankly I think as a manner of determining which is the stronger team, it's total crap. Strength of schedule should also be a determining factor and at least as important. Playing cupcakes gets you nowhere. Now we not only have to win, but root for Drexel and Elon to LOSE :)) That's a tall order, folks!

This team is different from most of the ones y'all are used to in the last few years. Coming from Tennessee and having seen their teams over the years, I can't really single out one particular one to compare them to, but It kind of reminds me of maybe the '93-'94 team, which didn't win any championships but was a close-knit team without a real star. You have to remember that this team, especially the starters, is made up mostly of sophomores (and one junior). which means they are still not where they are going to be in a year or two. Look at how Logan has come along this year! And I can see Kamiah, Kayla, and Devon really being stars before they graduate. Tori is starting to show some real promise too. Lexie will get there. The best thing about this team is that they knew coming in that they didn't have a "star", and that they don't have anyone with that disruptive "star personality" (a la Diamond DeShields, just as a for instance). They knew everything was going to have to get done "by committee", so to speak, and they've tried to do it. Scoring is even and spread out; that's okay, because it tends to confuse opponents as they can't just shut one player down. And you can sense the closeness of the team, especially if you sit as close to the floor as I do. They really *like* each other. That's worth a lot. Frankly, I'm a little surprised that they've done as well as they have this year. Also very pleased for them. Y'all should be too. This is really a special group of young women.

The thing with the RPI is that it really doesn't mean anything other than a guide to see how your team compares to others. This tiebreaker thing is the first time I've ever seen the RPI used for a real purpose. Personally, NCAA Tournament selections are the biggest joke. I would rather see the at-large teams fielded by some sort of RPI like formula that everyone is aware of. It would be much fairer than the current system where a bunch of clueless old farts sit in a room and make decisions based on the "eye-test" and crap like that.

I'd like to see them use SOS, among other things.

(02-24-2018 01:26 PM)dan10 Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 11:59 AM)orange-to-purple Wrote:  I will never really understand RPI, and frankly I think as a manner of determining which is the stronger team, it's total crap. Strength of schedule should also be a determining factor and at least as important. Playing cupcakes gets you nowhere. Now we not only have to win, but root for Drexel and Elon to LOSE :)) That's a tall order, folks!

This team is different from most of the ones y'all are used to in the last few years. Coming from Tennessee and having seen their teams over the years, I can't really single out one particular one to compare them to, but It kind of reminds me of maybe the '93-'94 team, which didn't win any championships but was a close-knit team without a real star. You have to remember that this team, especially the starters, is made up mostly of sophomores (and one junior). which means they are still not where they are going to be in a year or two. Look at how Logan has come along this year! And I can see Kamiah, Kayla, and Devon really being stars before they graduate. Tori is starting to show some real promise too. Lexie will get there. The best thing about this team is that they knew coming in that they didn't have a "star", and that they don't have anyone with that disruptive "star personality" (a la Diamond DeShields, just as a for instance). They knew everything was going to have to get done "by committee", so to speak, and they've tried to do it. Scoring is even and spread out; that's okay, because it tends to confuse opponents as they can't just shut one player down. And you can sense the closeness of the team, especially if you sit as close to the floor as I do. They really *like* each other. That's worth a lot. Frankly, I'm a little surprised that they've done as well as they have this year. Also very pleased for them. Y'all should be too. This is really a special group of young women.

So instead of a formula that has some value based on results you'd rather a completely random coin flip?

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Did I say that? Um, NO. Or maybe you're replying to the wrong post. I was complaining about it as the only standard though.

JB

Thanks for the info. The wife and I saw a game at the DAC a couple of years ago and I could not remember what the lighting situation was like. Guess as you stated that is was a poor video quality stream from Drexel. Needs to be fixed as frankly the game was almost unwatchable. Particularly also listening to the Drexel announcers!!

Brian

FWIW, in MBB, Big South and Mizzou Valley conferences will use RPI to determine seeds at their upcoming conference tournaments.

Big South: http://bigsouthsports.com/news/2018/2/24...pdate.aspx

MVC: http://mvc-sports.com/news/2018/2/24/arc...ament.aspx

(02-24-2018 01:43 PM)orange-to-purple Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 01:26 PM)dan10 Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 11:59 AM)orange-to-purple Wrote:  I will never really understand RPI, and frankly I think as a manner of determining which is the stronger team, it's total crap.

So instead of a formula that has some value based on results you'd rather a completely random coin flip?

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Did I say that? Um, NO. Or maybe you're replying to the wrong post. I was complaining about it as the only standard though.

In a way yes you did, actually. Surely you are well aware of all the tiebreakers long before you come to RPI. I am sure you also realize that before they changed this, it was a coin flip at this point. So saying using RPI to determine the winner is "utter crap" is saying that using that formula is not better than using the coin flip, which is what it used to be.

My point was regardless of its flaws, it is a calculated formula based on results. That is ALWAYS a better option than a coin flip that is completely random

(02-26-2018 10:36 AM)dan10 Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 01:43 PM)orange-to-purple Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 01:26 PM)dan10 Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 11:59 AM)orange-to-purple Wrote:  I will never really understand RPI, and frankly I think as a manner of determining which is the stronger team, it's total crap.

So instead of a formula that has some value based on results you'd rather a completely random coin flip?

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Did I say that? Um, NO. Or maybe you're replying to the wrong post. I was complaining about it as the only standard though.

In a way yes you did, actually. Surely you are well aware of all the tiebreakers long before you come to RPI. I am sure you also realize that before they changed this, it was a coin flip at this point. So saying using RPI to determine the winner is "utter crap" is saying that using that formula is not better than using the coin flip, which is what it used to be.

My point was regardless of its flaws, it is a calculated formula based on results. That is ALWAYS a better option than a coin flip that is completely random

No I am NOT aware of that, because I come from the SEC which uses other formulas. So no. And no again. Do NOT put words in my mouth.