I think it is obvious Cronin's behavior is notable by how the TV networks all focus on it. I do NOT think it is obvious whether it matters a whit.

(02-23-2018 05:13 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  I think it is obvious Cronin's behavior is notable by how the TV networks all focus on it. I do NOT think it is obvious whether it matters a whit.

They also had Joe Lunrdi's ugly mug taking up half the screen for about 20 minutes of the game last night. ESPN is moronic.

I have always supported Mick as a coach, but I do not like Mick’s antics on the sideline. I think he is overly harsh as a rule. I think he’s WAY worse than Huggins for those comparing. Sit within a few rows of the bench and you’ll absolutely cringe. And frankly, I don’t think it’s effective. He needs to pick and choose his battles better. Not every mistake warrants a nuclear reaction. And some guys need different types of motivation.

The difference between Cronin and Huggins is Cronin yells at his coaches and players slightly more than he does the refs. Huggins, in his later years here, spent the whole game yelling at the refs, even during timeouts.

(02-23-2018 06:52 PM)bearcatjim Wrote:  I have always supported Mick as a coach, but I do not like Mick’s antics on the sideline. I think he is overly harsh as a rule. I think he’s WAY worse than Huggins for those comparing. Sit within a few rows of the bench and you’ll absolutely cringe. And frankly, I don’t think it’s effective. He needs to pick and choose his battles better. Not every mistake warrants a nuclear reaction. And some guys need different types of motivation.

^^^ Absolutely, this. I can't believe he has his daughter sitting within earshot. But maybe he treats her the same way at home (if so, somebody call Children's Services...).

(02-23-2018 07:19 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 06:52 PM)bearcatjim Wrote:  I have always supported Mick as a coach, but I do not like Mick’s antics on the sideline. I think he is overly harsh as a rule. I think he’s WAY worse than Huggins for those comparing. Sit within a few rows of the bench and you’ll absolutely cringe. And frankly, I don’t think it’s effective. He needs to pick and choose his battles better. Not every mistake warrants a nuclear reaction. And some guys need different types of motivation.

^^^ Absolutely, this. I can't believe he has his daughter sitting within earshot. But maybe he treats her the same way at home (if so, somebody call Children's Services...).

I highly doubt he talks to his daughter the way he talks to the men's basketball team. That's a retarded thing to say.
No one but a sociopath is without moments of outbursts or anger. Life has it's ups and downs and when your job is judged based on the performance of those under you, you can either be their friend or their boss. Of course, he's a coach and he's expected to show an example. I see him as being more passionate about winning than a fruit loop out to strangle someone or throw a ball at his players and call them a "******" like Mike Rice.

There are times where yelling is a rational response. That might not sit well with the positive self-esteem movement crap of the last couple generations, but it's part of life. The players are adults, they're accountable and they can cope with it. If it weren't the case, we'd have a mass exodus of them every year.

(02-23-2018 11:03 AM)Tymanh99 Wrote:  talk about a non-issue.

this x100

(02-23-2018 10:11 PM)Recluse1 Wrote:  I highly doubt he talks to his daughter the way he talks to the men's basketball team. That's a retarded thing to say.
No one but a sociopath is without moments of outbursts or anger. Life has it's ups and downs and when your job is judged based on the performance of those under you, you can either be their friend or their boss. Of course, he's a coach and he's expected to show an example. I see him as being more passionate about winning than a fruit loop out to strangle someone or throw a ball at his players and call them a "******" like Mike Rice.

There are times where yelling is a rational response. That might not sit well with the positive self-esteem movement crap of the last couple generations, but it's part of life. The players are adults, they're accountable and they can cope with it. If it weren't the case, we'd have a mass exodus of them every year.

I see a team full of players that are 100% bought into Mick Cronin and the program and said team is #11 in the nation and sitting atop the AAC.


Move along folks, nothing to see here...

I have to admit I do like that black suit and shirt combo.

(02-23-2018 07:19 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 06:52 PM)bearcatjim Wrote:  I have always supported Mick as a coach, but I do not like Mick’s antics on the sideline. I think he is overly harsh as a rule. I think he’s WAY worse than Huggins for those comparing. Sit within a few rows of the bench and you’ll absolutely cringe. And frankly, I don’t think it’s effective. He needs to pick and choose his battles better. Not every mistake warrants a nuclear reaction. And some guys need different types of motivation.

^^^ Absolutely, this. I can't believe he has his daughter sitting within earshot. But maybe he treats her the same way at home (if so, somebody call Children's Services...).

Two weeks from the Tourney and we have the forum fringe suggesting child abuse. These are serious implications and disgusting to its core.

(02-24-2018 02:23 AM)payday Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 07:19 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 06:52 PM)bearcatjim Wrote:  I have always supported Mick as a coach, but I do not like Mick’s antics on the sideline. I think he is overly harsh as a rule. I think he’s WAY worse than Huggins for those comparing. Sit within a few rows of the bench and you’ll absolutely cringe. And frankly, I don’t think it’s effective. He needs to pick and choose his battles better. Not every mistake warrants a nuclear reaction. And some guys need different types of motivation.

^^^ Absolutely, this. I can't believe he has his daughter sitting within earshot. But maybe he treats her the same way at home (if so, somebody call Children's Services...).

Two weeks from the Tourney and we have the forum fringe suggesting child abuse. These are serious implications and disgusting to its core.

Yea... thats a little over the top and out of bounds if you ask me.

IMO, I don't really care if Mick's demeanor is nice or angry on the sidelines. I'm mostly interested in Ws and Ls, and preferably more of the former. If the sassage tastes good, why would I care how it is made?

(02-24-2018 02:23 AM)payday Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 07:19 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 06:52 PM)bearcatjim Wrote:  I have always supported Mick as a coach, but I do not like Mick’s antics on the sideline. I think he is overly harsh as a rule. I think he’s WAY worse than Huggins for those comparing. Sit within a few rows of the bench and you’ll absolutely cringe. And frankly, I don’t think it’s effective. He needs to pick and choose his battles better. Not every mistake warrants a nuclear reaction. And some guys need different types of motivation.

^^^ Absolutely, this. I can't believe he has his daughter sitting within earshot. But maybe he treats her the same way at home (if so, somebody call Children's Services...).

Two weeks from the Tourney and we have the forum fringe suggesting child abuse. These are serious implications and disgusting to its core.

You're absolutely right. What an awful thing to say. Gerhard, care to walk that back?

Say what you want about Cronin's "sideline demeanor," but this is the moment where "he runs a clean program" pays off.

Thank you, Mick... While fans of other teams are sweating right now (Go check out the "XavierHoops" forum for evidence), UC is not on anyone's radar screens. I've been critical of some of the sideline antics, but the fact that UC doesn't have a whiff of bad odor right now buys a lot of leeway in my book.

With all the complaints...Cronin is just one deep Tourney run from being Cincy’s best coach since Jucker. An annual NCAA Tourney team and Top 25 program...and all done the right way and with the right kids.

This has descended into mockery, and it was a fair observation. That's the only sad part of this conversation. My Dad mentioned the same things OP to me after the Uconn game, and I absolutely agreed with him, because it's obvious and also getting worse.

None of the posters has argued that we need an unfailingly positive Kerry Combs type. Most successful CBB coaches are commonly red-faced and screaming. But you also see them clapping their players on the back when they come out when they're playing well. They treat their players and assistants with a modicum of respect. Huggins would scream at you but you'd often get a bear hug at the end of a successful game that told you - and the arena - that you'd comported yourself well and that he was proud of you. If a bearcat takes over a game for a stretch his best case scenario is that Mick ignores him as he walks to the bench, waiting for the player he's targeted for a dressing down. And while it's fine to correct poor technique, it's just common decency not to embarrass a guy. That's what sets Mick off when he goes after a Ref or opposing player. Famously, Huggy let you yell back. You think Mick does?

I think it's a fair point that we haven't had players transfer out, and I've been a Mick supporter from the start. Outside of a small number of players that wouldn't even fill a lineup, his guys have represented the university well on and off the court. He doesn't seem to be caught up in the worst aspects of the CBB system that are currently being uncovered in the FBI investigation, and I know that gives most of us pride. But when a coach crosses the line into abusiveness that can implode a program as quickly as corruption or some kind of criminal incident. Mike Rice at Rutgers, Longren at GW, Leach at Texas Tech, Knight at Indiana and his son again at Texas Tech, Mangino at Kansas - that's just a sampling.

Another completely valid point that OP made was that Mick's behavior may play into the tentativeness or individual offensive regression the team and players often show. We ***** about those things in every game thread, but a sensible theory like "the guys are scared of making a mistake or missing a shot" is ridiculous? I don't know how many of you played team sports, or if you have had coaches that are this confrontational, but I've had some that were overly focused on the negative, and it can absolutely get into your head.

A common theory here is that we need some offensive guru assistant that will give us the offensive chops to go with Mick's defense. Could that even happen? Mick spends as much time yelling at assistants as he does the players. and rarely do you see an assistant coaching up players on the bench - even less common do you see one giving input to the whole team during a timeout. Larry Davis looks like he's terrified most of the time when Mick's talking to him.

Mick's an honest, thoughtful guy in interviews, and I agree that it's out of bounds to suggest that he's like this with his kid - he seems devoted to her, sweet in his treatment, and she's an engaging, sunny girl. But one guy's comment shouldn't become the straw man to avoid having an honest conversation as to what's going on with Mick's anger issues. I'll never agree that "it's worth it" to cheat, but I think it helps everyone to come to their own conclusion when the discussion happens on the board.

Let's not forget that this sort of intensity and anger almost killed the guy with an aneurysm, if nothing else.

IMO this thread has run it's course. I've seen middle school football coaches do worse to their players in terms of screaming or grabbing jerseys. We don't need to keep tabs on how many times Mick screams or pats or hugs someone. These aren't little kids but grown men. I've noticed him sitting on a chair more during games than in the past. He seems more relaxed and using a sense of humor in interviews more than in the past too. We gave flubs deference on this Board for a time due to "who else may be reading these threads." I think Mick's reputation (both on and off the court) and running a clean program has earned him this as well.

(02-24-2018 10:06 AM)payday Wrote:  With all the complaints...Cronin is just one deep Tourney run from being Cincy’s best coach since Jucker. An annual NCAA Tourney team and Top 25 program...and all done the right way and with the right kids.

Huh??? One deep tourney run to be equivalent to Jucker?

From wikipedia:

Edwin Louis Jucker (July 8, 1916 – February 2, 2002) was an American college basketball player and coach in both the NBA and college basketball, leading the University of Cincinnati to back-to-back national titles in 1961 and 1962 and runner-up in 1963.

Mick Cronin is not even close to that level of success...His career more closely tracks Ed Badger.

You have no connection to reality.

Since Jucker. Focus