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(02-26-2018 09:39 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 08:19 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Can Tubby recruit at a level to get Memphis back to where they need to be? Who knows? But the man can absolutely coach.

Perhaps a few recruits will fall into his lap due to ramifications of the FBI investigation. Otherwise, Tubby has failed to date to pluck a single recruit from the Memphis area cornucopia and has only one lowly rated (albeit intriguing) player signed now for next season.

He's in his 2nd season. Maybe give him some time to develop talent and see where the program goes.
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(02-26-2018 11:36 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 09:39 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 08:19 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Can Tubby recruit at a level to get Memphis back to where they need to be? Who knows? But the man can absolutely coach.

Perhaps a few recruits will fall into his lap due to ramifications of the FBI investigation. Otherwise, Tubby has failed to date to pluck a single recruit from the Memphis area cornucopia and has only one lowly rated (albeit intriguing) player signed now for next season.

He's in his 2nd season. Maybe give him some time to develop talent and see where the program goes.

We wont have much of a program left if he finishes out his 5 years. Attendance is way down, donations way down, apathy is here and beating a 1/2 strength SMU team or a UConn team that has quit on their coach isn't going to do much to change it. Being a potential bubble team next season in year 3 and knowing that is about Tubby's high water mark doesn't excite fans.
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(02-26-2018 11:51 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 11:36 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 09:39 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 08:19 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Can Tubby recruit at a level to get Memphis back to where they need to be? Who knows? But the man can absolutely coach.

Perhaps a few recruits will fall into his lap due to ramifications of the FBI investigation. Otherwise, Tubby has failed to date to pluck a single recruit from the Memphis area cornucopia and has only one lowly rated (albeit intriguing) player signed now for next season.

He's in his 2nd season. Maybe give him some time to develop talent and see where the program goes.

We wont have much of a program left if he finishes out his 5 years. Attendance is way down, donations way down, apathy is here and beating a 1/2 strength SMU team or a UConn team that has quit on their coach isn't going to do much to change it. Being a potential bubble team next season in year 3 and knowing that is about Tubby's high water mark doesn't excite fans.


Hahaha, how much hater-aide you drinking every day to keep that up?

Look at Texas Tech that's where you'll be in 5 years when Tubby leaves.

If Penny is smart he'll go get a college job in the area, end up at Memphis for a year or two and inherit a clean NCAA tournament quality program. Had they told the cancer no thanks last year, your AD could have probably had Tubby take Penny as an assistant last year. Good luck with that now though.
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(02-26-2018 11:59 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  Look at Texas Tech that's where you'll be in 5 years when Tubby leaves.

That should excite Memphis fans! In 5 years we'll be losing in the 1st round like Tubby does once every 4-5 years. Cant wait!!!!

Now, if we were able to get a coach like Beard who took a couple of Tubby leftovers and added a lot of his own guys and actually won at TT, then we might have something.
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(02-26-2018 11:36 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 09:39 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 08:19 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Can Tubby recruit at a level to get Memphis back to where they need to be? Who knows? But the man can absolutely coach.

Perhaps a few recruits will fall into his lap due to ramifications of the FBI investigation. Otherwise, Tubby has failed to date to pluck a single recruit from the Memphis area cornucopia and has only one lowly rated (albeit intriguing) player signed now for next season.

He's in his 2nd season. Maybe give him some time to develop talent and see where the program goes.

Tubby has only one NCAA Tourney win in the past ten years. He will have to do better at Memphis (or Cincy I suppose) and there is nothing Tubby has done to date indicating he will do better in the future. Memphis is resourced at a top 25 level. There is no excuse for failure to acheive what every coach at Memphis since Bartow who lasted three years by making the NCAA Tourney by his third year.

Other Tiger fans may differ, but I will not lower the bar for Tubby or any other coach.
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RE: 2/25 AAC basketball games
(02-26-2018 12:23 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 11:59 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  Look at Texas Tech that's where you'll be in 5 years when Tubby leaves.

That should excite Memphis fans! In 5 years we'll be losing in the 1st round like Tubby does once every 4-5 years. Cant wait!!!!

Now, if we were able to get a coach like Beard who took a couple of Tubby leftovers and added a lot of his own guys and actually won at TT, then we might have something.

Wait . . . .isn't that what I just said? The key part being when Tubby leaves.

I won't bother pointing out how everyone has been giving credit to Tubby for turning around a team with one NCAA bid in a decade or that everyone talks about how senior guard Tubby recruited changes the team completely. Or how scary they would be had they not lost a key forward Tubby recruited for the season.

I'm assuming you wear those hate tinged glasses even when sleeping?
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(02-26-2018 12:29 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 11:36 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 09:39 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 08:19 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Can Tubby recruit at a level to get Memphis back to where they need to be? Who knows? But the man can absolutely coach.

Perhaps a few recruits will fall into his lap due to ramifications of the FBI investigation. Otherwise, Tubby has failed to date to pluck a single recruit from the Memphis area cornucopia and has only one lowly rated (albeit intriguing) player signed now for next season.

He's in his 2nd season. Maybe give him some time to develop talent and see where the program goes.

Tubby has only one NCAA Tourney win in the past ten years. He will have to do better at Memphis (or Cincy I suppose) and there is nothing Tubby has done to date indicating he will do better in the future. Memphis is resourced at a top 25 level. There is no excuse for failure to acheive what every coach at Memphis since Bartow who lasted three years by making the NCAA Tourney by his third year.

Other Tiger fans may differ, but I will not lower the bar for Tubby or any other coach.


Yes yes we know. The cheat wins count argument. But even by those absurd standards tubby is performing to par.

By the way and I know you know this, Tubby is just completing his second year. I also know you are well aware of the fact that Tubby has taken every team he's coached to the NCAA's by his third year. The best part is I know you also know he does it completely by the rules, something you can't say about your most successful coaches.

You've been beating the same drum since the preseason, mean while you're about to win 20+ games, your best ranked recruiting class is playing at a high level, the tigers are peaking as a team at the right time. You lost your best player and are still pretty well lined up for an NIT bid. With 11 new players and a clearly upward trend.

I told you in the pre-season to quit... . Memphis Tubby haters are starting to look silly.

Being a skeptic ala tripleA is one thing, he's honest he gives credit grudgingly and has a critical eye for the areas he feels are negatives, but there is a difference between that and tubby haters.
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(02-26-2018 01:02 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 12:29 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 11:36 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 09:39 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 08:19 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Can Tubby recruit at a level to get Memphis back to where they need to be? Who knows? But the man can absolutely coach.

Perhaps a few recruits will fall into his lap due to ramifications of the FBI investigation. Otherwise, Tubby has failed to date to pluck a single recruit from the Memphis area cornucopia and has only one lowly rated (albeit intriguing) player signed now for next season.

He's in his 2nd season. Maybe give him some time to develop talent and see where the program goes.

Tubby has only one NCAA Tourney win in the past ten years. He will have to do better at Memphis (or Cincy I suppose) and there is nothing Tubby has done to date indicating he will do better in the future. Memphis is resourced at a top 25 level. There is no excuse for failure to acheive what every coach at Memphis since Bartow who lasted three years by making the NCAA Tourney by his third year.

Other Tiger fans may differ, but I will not lower the bar for Tubby or any other coach.


Yes yes we know. The cheat wins count argument. But even by those absurd standards tubby is performing to par.

By the way and I know you know this, Tubby is just completing his second year. I also know you are well aware of the fact that Tubby has taken every team he's coached to the NCAA's by his third year. The best part is I know you also know he does it completely by the rules, something you can't say about your most successful coaches.

You've been beating the same drum since the preseason, mean while you're about to win 20+ games, your best ranked recruiting class is playing at a high level, the tigers are peaking as a team at the right time. You lost your best player and are still pretty well lined up for an NIT bid. With 11 new players and a clearly upward trend.

I told you in the pre-season to quit... . Memphis Tubby haters are starting to look silly.

Being a skeptic ala tripleA is one thing, he's honest he gives credit grudgingly and has a critical eye for the areas he feels are negatives, but there is a difference between that and tubby haters.

You are not a Tiger fan. You are a Tubbyphile. Our interests clearly do not coincide.

The thousands of Tiger fans who quit attending games since Tubby took the reins are not content with NIT bubble status and an NCAA Tourney win every ten years. We got rid of a coach who won two NCAA Tourney games within ten years and Tubby should be next on the chopping block unless he at least goes to the Tourney next season. For the hundredth time, the bar should not be lowered for Tubby.
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(02-26-2018 02:25 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 01:02 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 12:29 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 11:36 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 09:39 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Perhaps a few recruits will fall into his lap due to ramifications of the FBI investigation. Otherwise, Tubby has failed to date to pluck a single recruit from the Memphis area cornucopia and has only one lowly rated (albeit intriguing) player signed now for next season.

He's in his 2nd season. Maybe give him some time to develop talent and see where the program goes.

Tubby has only one NCAA Tourney win in the past ten years. He will have to do better at Memphis (or Cincy I suppose) and there is nothing Tubby has done to date indicating he will do better in the future. Memphis is resourced at a top 25 level. There is no excuse for failure to acheive what every coach at Memphis since Bartow who lasted three years by making the NCAA Tourney by his third year.

Other Tiger fans may differ, but I will not lower the bar for Tubby or any other coach.


Yes yes we know. The cheat wins count argument. But even by those absurd standards tubby is performing to par.

By the way and I know you know this, Tubby is just completing his second year. I also know you are well aware of the fact that Tubby has taken every team he's coached to the NCAA's by his third year. The best part is I know you also know he does it completely by the rules, something you can't say about your most successful coaches.

You've been beating the same drum since the preseason, mean while you're about to win 20+ games, your best ranked recruiting class is playing at a high level, the tigers are peaking as a team at the right time. You lost your best player and are still pretty well lined up for an NIT bid. With 11 new players and a clearly upward trend.

I told you in the pre-season to quit... . Memphis Tubby haters are starting to look silly.

Being a skeptic ala tripleA is one thing, he's honest he gives credit grudgingly and has a critical eye for the areas he feels are negatives, but there is a difference between that and tubby haters.

You are not a Tiger fan. You are a Tubbyphile. Our interests clearly do not coincide.

The thousands of Tiger fans who quit attending games since Tubby took the reins are not content with NIT bubble status and an NCAA Tourney win every ten years. We got rid of a coach who won two NCAA Tourney games within ten years and Tubby should be next on the chopping block unless he at least goes to the Tourney next season. For the hundredth time, the bar should not be lowered for Tubby.


For the 100th time it's not.

Let me know at the end of next year.

Right now he is on pace with Calapari, NIT his second year after rebuilding from a nose diving program. Those thousands of fans left 3 and 1/2 years ago under Pastner.

I know it sucks sooooo bad to see Tubby succeed, but you should at least be happy it's for your team. Who you wrote off as dead with a possible losing season.

As I said it's just silly but I'll see you end of next year whining and crying 03-hissyfit while your team is on its way to the NCAA's. Like every other team Tubby has EVER coached.

Tubby haters are in the same category as UConn talking heads blaming the conference. No relationship with reality.
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I know, I know he can't recruit NCAA talent, he just magically got all those previous schools into the NCAA, including Minnesota and Texas Tech. 04-cheers
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(02-26-2018 12:29 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 11:36 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 09:39 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 08:19 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Can Tubby recruit at a level to get Memphis back to where they need to be? Who knows? But the man can absolutely coach.

Perhaps a few recruits will fall into his lap due to ramifications of the FBI investigation. Otherwise, Tubby has failed to date to pluck a single recruit from the Memphis area cornucopia and has only one lowly rated (albeit intriguing) player signed now for next season.

He's in his 2nd season. Maybe give him some time to develop talent and see where the program goes.

Tubby has only one NCAA Tourney win in the past ten years. He will have to do better at Memphis (or Cincy I suppose) and there is nothing Tubby has done to date indicating he will do better in the future. Memphis is resourced at a top 25 level. There is no excuse for failure to acheive what every coach at Memphis since Bartow who lasted three years by making the NCAA Tourney by his third year.

Other Tiger fans may differ, but I will not lower the bar for Tubby or any other coach.

ive said this for ages that sampson and tubby are identical style of coaches they are actually extremely close friends who vacation together once a year

both are great x and os coaches who arent good recruits...the only time they are bringing in good recruits is when the program is selling itself...but both re elite x and o's coaches

sampson entered houston on an almost identical situation to tubby at memphis..houston had an elite recruiter who couldnt coach, we hired sampson thinking he would take that talent from the old coach to the next level..only to have all of them transfer out...and then built a team from the juco

which brings me too my point, memphis from year 1 to year 2 was drastic improvement, nowhere near the level they want to be but improvement none the less.. sampsons had a almost identical trajectory...sampson it took 4 years to get to the tourney but now that we are here, almost everyone who follows us expects us to stay here

if memphis was a high seed nit team (what Sampson as year 3) imo youd be foolish not to bring him back ....
something reid getty (a member of phi slama, now our tv announcer) said about sampson vs ecu "he isnt a team builder, he is a program builder" meaning that houston has gotten better every single year, despite who was lost, and are projected to keep getting better...he isnt getting a bunch of 1 and dones or waiting till his players are seniors and saying, "this is the season where things align, this year could be special" like many coaches, who have up and down seasons..he isnt flashy or instant but they build strong foundations...

you're ncaa year 3 or fire him....when i think the bar should be improvement every year ... my be would be another year of big improvement (a high seed nit would be big improvement) and the momentum that year 4 will be even better than year 3...

imagine if he made made a high seed nit next season, projected to be better and you fired him...only to have everyone transfer out and start all over again...its not like you have a coach with a better resume than tubby waiting in the wings, who would be a guaranteed success
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(02-26-2018 11:01 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 05:45 AM)TripleA Wrote:  
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(02-25-2018 06:43 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  Thank you Memphis.

hey, I'm proud of my team and Tubby's Tigers...they aren't five-star talents but they fight through adversity and are a likable bunch. It's very easy to root for kids like these and a honest coach like Tubby, esp when you read the news stories about guys like Pitino/Miller.

I actually think Tubby is a decent coach. Would anyone believe a team with what 2 players coming back from last season and a hodgepodge of transfers and what not that he would win 20+ games this season. Now I agree he isn’t the best recruiter and mayn’t isnt the best fit for Memphis but he can coach. His teams have grit and heart and you can see it in this team. He should have gutted the team in year one and avoided the Lawson clown show and he would probably be further along.

Except the fan base would have tried to hang him even earlier. In their minds, Tubby is guilty of running off the Lawsons, guilty of not recruiting anybody, guilty of losing to ECU, guilty of not doing PR work with the media, and guilty of not beating cupcakes by larger scores.

In my mind, he sucks as a recruiter, but that should not be a surprise. The Lawsons caused a lot of the disruption last year, and some transfers beside themselves.

It was a minor miracle that Tubby was able to put together the #1 recruiting class in the AAC for 2017 in a matter of a few days, actually. Yeah, part of it was volume, but the average per player was close to the top, as well.

Jamal Johnson, a freshman, was the highest ranked recruit in the AAC. Davenport and Brewton were Juco All-Americans. Parks has turned out to be great. Thornton has improved and contributes.

What I see is a much less talented Memphis squad than what we have seen in most years, but one that plays together as a team, never quits, and has improved greatly form the beginning of the season.

They are easy to cheer for, and to me, that makes it fun.


Yes you guys seem to be adopting the culture of Tubby. You do it the right away and you do it as a team.


Wait #1 class? #1 recruit? Juco All-Americans?
Tubby can't recruit.

Our fan base doesn't count Jucos, and are mad that we haven't signed any local guys like Lomax or Harris.
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I can't take Memphis fans who complain about Tubby seriously.

You could have Ollie.

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(02-26-2018 09:01 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  I can't take Memphis fans who complain about Tubby seriously.

You could have Ollie.

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I have tried that with some Memphis fans. Doesn't work, lol.
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