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RE: Gonzaga and the MWC have talked?
(03-01-2018 02:48 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(03-01-2018 01:28 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(03-01-2018 12:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  to me if it's to a point where Thompson would be talking, it's really far along. I think the odds are real strong it happens before next year.

So going forward we probably see-
P5, Big East, AAC, MWC and then everyone else. Huge gulf between those 8 and the next group(which would be A10, MVC maybe, and that's really about it).

This is a really solid rumor no doubt. Should pick up speculation.

How much it impacts the MWC overall it depends what the full move is. Is it just Gonzaga BB or also BYU?

A10 is the undisputed top level mid major conference for the east coast. MVC is contending for that title with the MAC. MVC owns Illinois and the MAC owns Ohio.

I wouldn't be so sure the MAC owns Ohio. Other than Ohio's recent fluke NCAA Tournament wins (okay, 2012 was solid, they almost made a legit Elite 8 run), when is the last time an Ohio team made any noise in basketball? Kent State over 15 years ago?

Regardless, none of the mid-majors own the Midwest.

The MAC owns Ohio because they have 6 public schools in it and play their conference tournament in Cleveland.

3 of the top 5 by state budget play in the MAC with Ohio, Kent St and Toledo. Wright St, Youngstown St and Cleveland St are toward the lower end of the state budget taking in under half of the former group.

Its the main mid major conference for Ohio and Michigan for that matter too.
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Ohio Sweet 16 in 2012, Kent State elite 8 a decade before that.

Akron has made a few NCAA appearances this decade.

MAC tournament semi/finals when these 3 are playing each other often 10k.

RPI of the MAC East the past decade somewhere between .5300-.5400 making it the 8th or 9th best conference by itself in the country. MAC West has been dreadful though.
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Those who mention UTEP over NMSU what is the value of this. Full disclosure, I am an NMSU grad. In overall sports, except Cross Country and Track, NMSU is a stronger athletic program. Academics are not really a comparison as well. They are essentially in the same metro area, and getting UTEP is not at all like getting a "Texas" school. Las Cruces, NM (40 miles from ELP) is half way between Dallas and LA. It is not like UTEP would bring a lot of the "Texas" market. This boggles my Crimson colored mind.
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(02-28-2018 11:55 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(02-28-2018 11:29 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I still don't see them going west. Short of the rest of Texas falling into the Gulf, they'd be on island every bit as much Hawai'i in the MWC.

Wouldnt matter. The MW wold be a huge conference upgrade for Rice--especailly from a TV standpoint.

I think I lean with C2 here, all things being equal. But what happens down the line if Southern Miss and UTSA have left C-USA? Then the MWC looks good.
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(03-01-2018 12:34 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(03-01-2018 12:31 AM)NotANewbie Wrote:  
(03-01-2018 12:28 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Why do people here keep mentioning FB adds? Everything i've read makes it seem like this is about BBall expansion.

Could it be that some attractive basketball schools have football programs that would need a home??????

Seems pretty transparent.

Not a lot of them. It's about making the conference more attractive next TV contract. Adding the 3 best BBall teams from the WCC does that. Adding NM St or Rice FB doesn't.

The MW seems to be focused on basketball here. BYU is going to be added unless they bring football. GU brings much more value than BYU in basketball. BYU's value only comes from football.
In essence, there is no reason to have more than 12 members.
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Gonzaga will be the only school invited from the WCC. The Mountain West is not going to invite three schools that don't play their main sport. If football schools are invited, I wouldn't be surprised if Rice and North Texas were the two*. As far as UTEP/NMSU, I would think they both have an equal shot so long as UNM supports NMSU. If UTEP could bring the Sun Bowl to the conference bowl slate, that would be a significant addition.

In the end, maybe only Gonzaga gets the invite–that would be the conservative move.

*MWC football programs are attracted to the Texas exposure for recruiting.
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My guess is the MW adds Gonzaga and that's it, but there's no way Rice turns down a MW invite if they can get one. Better athletic brands and better academic institutions in that conference, and Rice has plenty of money to pay for plane tickets.
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(03-01-2018 04:29 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  Rice, UTEP being mentioned as Mountain West discusses expansion
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...expansion/

That article is from 2015.

(03-01-2018 09:00 AM)esayem Wrote:  Gonzaga will be the only school invited from the WCC. The Mountain West is not going to invite three schools that don't play their main sport. If football schools are invited, I wouldn't be surprised if Rice and North Texas were the two*. As far as UTEP/NMSU, I would think they both have an equal shot so long as UNM supports NMSU. If UTEP could bring the Sun Bowl to the conference bowl slate, that would be a significant addition.

In the end, maybe only Gonzaga gets the invite–that would be the conservative move.

*MWC football programs are attracted to the Texas exposure for recruiting.

Probably Gonzaga only. Although if BYU does come crawling back, then UTEP makes much more sense than NMSU as filler to get to 14. Although I imagine the MWC would prefer Rice over both, I don't think the feeling is mutual. For Rice, athletics are not of prime importance. North Texas is a stretch, but if the MWC did actually go all in with Texas, then they certainly would be a likely add. Regarding such a significant eastward expansion, however, I would guess that there is some hesitation for fear of repeating the mistakes of the WAC.
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With the MWC TV contract coming up we may seem some news sooner than later.
It would be funny if they went to 16 considering the history
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(03-01-2018 12:37 AM)stever20 Wrote:  to me if it's to a point where Thompson would be talking, it's really far along. I think the odds are real strong it happens before next year.

So going forward we probably see-
P5, Big East, AAC, MWC and then everyone else. Huge gulf between those 8 and the next group(which would be A10, MVC maybe, and that's really about it).

Thats why I think it's right now just the Zags to offset FB only Hawaii. They're the only ones mentioned by name so to me they are the ones that have both been receptive and have the votes to get an invite. There could be holdouts to going past 12 in both sports. The Zags bring money to the table and don't cost much. They don't touch the CFP pay off to the G5 conferences, they only get a sliver of what the other members get from TV money and they will bring NCAA credits to the conference from future tourny appearances. It's a no brainer to the MWC. For the Zags they get into a better conference and play in some real arenas.

And yes, now this consolidation of top schools in the top 8 conferences could lead to some sort of split in divisions.
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It's no secret that I've wanted BYU in the American. I wonder... if Gonzaga leaves the WCC and goes to the MWC, does that force BYU's hand? Would they stay in the WCC? I doubt they go back to the MWC, even though it makes the most geographical sense. Does that lead them to the American?
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I would add Gonzaga to balance out Hawaii.

Then add the 4 Texas Schools from CUSA
Rice, N Texas, UTSA, UTEP, UNM, Air Force, Wyoming, Colorado St
Utah St, Boise, Fresno, SDSU, SJSU, Nevada, UNLV, Hawaii/Gonzaga

Now that the Texas Schools are gone, CUSA can stand pat at 10 and do what the Sunbelt is doing with two 5 team divisions
Marshall, Charlotte, ODU, MTSU, WKU
FIU, FAU, UAB, USM, La Tech

That conference looks a lot like the original Sunbelt Conference.
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With this out there, one has to wonder if Gonzaga is going to be pressed hard by the WCC to either commit or leave. Or, Gonzaga leverages itself for some WCC expansion that makes the conference stronger. I doubt the latter is better than the former, but, who knows.

Take Gonzaga out of the WCC, and BYU is SOL. And, who knows...maybe this is how the MWC handles its expansion discussion...not going into Texas, but regaining all of BYU and picking up Gonzaga. And BYU does not have the leverage to make all of its demands. What's BYU to do then...Summit? Big West? It's not going to want the WAC or Big Sky...
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(03-01-2018 09:46 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  With this out there, one has to wonder if Gonzaga is going to be pressed hard by the WCC to either commit or leave. Or, Gonzaga leverages itself for some WCC expansion that makes the conference stronger. I doubt the latter is better than the former, but, who knows.

Take Gonzaga out of the WCC, and BYU is SOL. And, who knows...maybe this is how the MWC handles its expansion discussion...not going into Texas, but regaining all of BYU and picking up Gonzaga. And BYU does not have the leverage to make all of its demands. What's BYU to do then...Summit? Big West?

If WCC plays hardball with the Zags then they are just going to make the decision to leave that much easier for the Bulldogs.
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(03-01-2018 09:46 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  With this out there, one has to wonder if Gonzaga is going to be pressed hard by the WCC to either commit or leave. Or, Gonzaga leverages itself for some WCC expansion that makes the conference stronger. I doubt the latter is better than the former, but, who knows.

Take Gonzaga out of the WCC, and BYU is SOL. And, who knows...maybe this is how the MWC handles its expansion discussion...not going into Texas, but regaining all of BYU and picking up Gonzaga. And BYU does not have the leverage to make all of its demands.

I think BYU would sacrifice their other sports for football. On top of that, they would be in prime position to win the WCC auto bid on a regular basis. It wouldn't be ideal, but BYU is likely to be too prideful to come back to MWC.
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(03-01-2018 09:48 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  If WCC plays hardball with the Zags then they are just going to make the decision to leave that much easier for the Bulldogs.

I think Gonzaga assumes all of the risk on that one. Even if it's a break-the-nose-to-spite-the-face kind of thing. Gonzaga's out, Seattle's in. Travel's easier for WCC, WCC programs don't feel like they have to dump money into basketball to keep up appearances with one super program.
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(03-01-2018 09:50 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(03-01-2018 09:48 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  If WCC plays hardball with the Zags then they are just going to make the decision to leave that much easier for the Bulldogs.

I think Gonzaga assumes all of the risk on that one. Even if it's a break-the-nose-to-spite-the-face kind of thing. Gonzaga's out, Seattle's in. Travel's easier for WCC, WCC programs don't feel like they have to dump money into basketball to keep up appearances with one super program.

Why would the WCC need to expand? Losing GU would hurt but what does Seattle or Denver offer them? Nothing! They have no fan base. The only school out there that has a fan base the fits the religious profile in GCU...despite being a for-profit school, they are the only school out there that would bring value to the WCC.
GCU getting back to non-profit status will get them into the WCC.
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(03-01-2018 10:02 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(03-01-2018 09:50 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(03-01-2018 09:48 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  If WCC plays hardball with the Zags then they are just going to make the decision to leave that much easier for the Bulldogs.

I think Gonzaga assumes all of the risk on that one. Even if it's a break-the-nose-to-spite-the-face kind of thing. Gonzaga's out, Seattle's in. Travel's easier for WCC, WCC programs don't feel like they have to dump money into basketball to keep up appearances with one super program.

Why would the WCC need to expand? Losing GU would hurt but what does Seattle or Denver offer them? Nothing! They have no fan base. The only school out there that has a fan base the fits the religious profile in GCU...despite being a for-profit school, they are the only school out there that would bring value to the WCC.
GCU getting back to non-profit status will get them into the WCC.
I think expanding allows them to keep 18 conference games. That's a pretty big deal IMO.
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(03-01-2018 10:02 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(03-01-2018 09:50 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(03-01-2018 09:48 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  If WCC plays hardball with the Zags then they are just going to make the decision to leave that much easier for the Bulldogs.

I think Gonzaga assumes all of the risk on that one. Even if it's a break-the-nose-to-spite-the-face kind of thing. Gonzaga's out, Seattle's in. Travel's easier for WCC, WCC programs don't feel like they have to dump money into basketball to keep up appearances with one super program.

Why would the WCC need to expand? Losing GU would hurt but what does Seattle or Denver offer them? Nothing! They have no fan base. The only school out there that has a fan base the fits the religious profile in GCU...despite being a for-profit school, they are the only school out there that would bring value to the WCC.
GCU getting back to non-profit status will get them into the WCC.

Seattle is a Jesuit school, so that gives them many WCC votes. Portland needs a travel partner.

GCU gets considered if BYu is gone. Cal Baptist might be considered after it completes its DI transition.
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It's not really expanding if you're replacing someone. Seattle's like Pacific...it's one of the old gang. And I don't think it's much of a secret Seattle wants to get back to the WCC. From the chatter out there, Gonzaga's among those not cool with letting them back in.
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