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Gonzaga and the MWC have talked?
(03-08-2018 05:09 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
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(03-08-2018 01:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Gonzaga sounding pretty much like a done deal. They seem to have moved on to the question of "What will BYU do?" Thats a huge home run for the MW if they can get BYU back for all sports---and its a solid double or triple if they just land Zags and BYU for olympic's. Unless they are stupid, I dont see how the MW gets less than a solid double or triple out o this move. Pretty shrewd move by Thompson.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spor...story.html

The article is interesting, but for Gonzaga to leave the WCC they need to get a financial deal from the Mountain West that is as good as what they currently earn in the WCC. Below is the money earned by each team last season in the NCAA Tournament:

https://herosports.com/ncaa-tournament/h...-fund-a7a7

Gonzaga and St. Mary's earned almost $12 million for the WCC last season. Nevada earned $1.7 million for the MWC. When Gonzaga leaves, all the money they earned stays with the WCC. So how does Gonzaga make up for the loss in basketball revenue?

If the MWC cuts Gonzaga a sweetheart deal to join the conference, the same deal would not be available for BYU. If Gonzaga were to leave the WCC, there really is no reason for BYU to leave the WCC right away. The financial units or revenue that Gonzaga earned through their basketball success will still be there for the next few years. That revenue and having a much better shot at the WCC auto bid should keep BYU in the WCC for the next 3-4 years if Gonzaga leaves.

Each conference has its own revenue distribution rules but we can probably be safe assuming that Gonzaga gets no more than 12.5% of that money and no less than 8.3%. The high figure would be Gonzaga taking extra shares as a bonus, the bottom figure would represent equal sharing after the conference office deducts enough to fund the year's operations.

The revenue is spread over six years so when you start sharing with the league office, sure Gonzaga is leaving a lot of money but very little of it was ever going to land in their bank account.

Everything you said is correct. It is spread out over six years and you I think you have the money percentage right. Based on financial units collected over the past six years (at $265,000 per unit), the WCC should collect about $7.1 Million and the MWC about $5.8 million this season in revenue.

The period from 2015-2017 will get worse. The WCC collected 14 units, the MWC 6 units. For that three year period, the WCC will bring in more than $2 million more than the MWC, thanks to the success of Gonzaga.

So unless the MWC is going to give Gonzaga a generous cut of the TV revenue, then I don't see in the short term (3-4 years) how this would be financially a better deal for Gonzaga. It is the reason that I can't see BYU in the MWC, unless another team is leaving. Plus, BYU football is not leaving independence for the MWC.


how much money the wcc gets is irrelevent. how much of the ncaa credits did gonzaga get in the wcc is all that matters. my guess is they got very little. hell mwc can say you keep 50% of ncaa tourney dollars going forward and gonzaga is probably ahead $$ wise in one year.


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(03-08-2018 03:21 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 01:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Gonzaga sounding pretty much like a done deal. They seem to have moved on to the question of "What will BYU do?" Thats a huge home run for the MW if they can get BYU back for all sports---and its a solid double or triple if they just land Zags and BYU for olympic's. Unless they are stupid, I dont see how the MW gets less than a solid double or triple out o this move. Pretty shrewd move by Thompson.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spor...story.html

The article is interesting, but for Gonzaga to leave the WCC they need to get a financial deal from the Mountain West that is as good as what they currently earn in the WCC. Below is the money earned by each team last season in the NCAA Tournament:

https://herosports.com/ncaa-tournament/h...-fund-a7a7

Gonzaga and St. Mary's earned almost $12 million for the WCC last season. Nevada earned $1.7 million for the MWC. When Gonzaga leaves, all the money they earned stays with the WCC. So how does Gonzaga make up for the loss in basketball revenue?

If the MWC cuts Gonzaga a sweetheart deal to join the conference, the same deal would not be available for BYU. If Gonzaga were to leave the WCC, there really is no reason for BYU to leave the WCC right away. The financial units or revenue that Gonzaga earned through their basketball success will still be there for the next few years. That revenue and having a much better shot at the WCC auto bid should keep BYU in the WCC for the next 3-4 years if Gonzaga leaves.

Not only would BYU have a shot at the auto bid, they would also make more money on the credits Gonzaga leaves behind and their buyout to leave the conference. Those NCAA credits would only be shared 9 ways instead of ten. If the WCC did take on a new member, the new member would probably have to for go a major part of the conference annual payout money as their buy in stake to join the conference. This gives BYU a few years breathing room to get to the next realignment period when the GOR's ends for the unstable B-12 to see what they are going to do - aka - split up and realign with new members, stay together and take on at least two more members, or stand pat at ten members for another period of time with another GOR's contract to seal the deal again. 07-coffee3
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I would think Seattle would be a lock if Gonzaga left. Also like wcc going after Air Force and Denver to get to 12. That would require AFA probably getting a football only deal with the AAc, who could than add VCU to pair with AFA...guess they would need another all sport member to balance things, than go after byu and army for football only to get to 16
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(03-09-2018 10:17 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I would think Seattle would be a lock if Gonzaga left. Also like wcc going after Air Force and Denver to get to 12. That would require AFA probably getting a football only deal with the AAc, who could than add VCU to pair with AFA...guess they would need another all sport member to balance things, than go after byu and army for football only to get to 16

Why in the world would Air Force voluntarily leave the MWC for the WCC?
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(03-09-2018 10:03 AM)SC-KNIGHT Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 03:21 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 01:03 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Gonzaga sounding pretty much like a done deal. They seem to have moved on to the question of "What will BYU do?" Thats a huge home run for the MW if they can get BYU back for all sports---and its a solid double or triple if they just land Zags and BYU for olympic's. Unless they are stupid, I dont see how the MW gets less than a solid double or triple out o this move. Pretty shrewd move by Thompson.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spor...story.html

The article is interesting, but for Gonzaga to leave the WCC they need to get a financial deal from the Mountain West that is as good as what they currently earn in the WCC. Below is the money earned by each team last season in the NCAA Tournament:

https://herosports.com/ncaa-tournament/h...-fund-a7a7

Gonzaga and St. Mary's earned almost $12 million for the WCC last season. Nevada earned $1.7 million for the MWC. When Gonzaga leaves, all the money they earned stays with the WCC. So how does Gonzaga make up for the loss in basketball revenue?

If the MWC cuts Gonzaga a sweetheart deal to join the conference, the same deal would not be available for BYU. If Gonzaga were to leave the WCC, there really is no reason for BYU to leave the WCC right away. The financial units or revenue that Gonzaga earned through their basketball success will still be there for the next few years. That revenue and having a much better shot at the WCC auto bid should keep BYU in the WCC for the next 3-4 years if Gonzaga leaves.

Not only would BYU have a shot at the auto bid, they would also make more money on the credits Gonzaga leaves behind and their buyout to leave the conference. Those NCAA credits would only be shared 9 ways instead of ten. If the WCC did take on a new member, the new member would probably have to for go a major part of the conference annual payout money as their buy in stake to join the conference. This gives BYU a few years breathing room to get to the next realignment period when the GOR's ends for the unstable B-12 to see what they are going to do - aka - split up and realign with new members, stay together and take on at least two more members, or stand pat at ten members for another period of time with another GOR's contract to seal the deal again. 07-coffee3

As long as BYU has a good TV deal with ESPN, any conference basketball money is just a bonus.
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(03-09-2018 10:17 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I would think Seattle would be a lock if Gonzaga left. Also like wcc going after Air Force and Denver to get to 12. That would require AFA probably getting a football only deal with the AAc, who could than add VCU to pair with AFA...guess they would need another all sport member to balance things, than go after byu and army for football only to get to 16

Why would the WCC add Air Force and Denver? DU doesn't draw flies and they are as mediocre as can get. Never did anything in the Sun Belt, WAC, and now the Summit. Why would the WCC want to add travel expenses to fly their teams to Colorado? Especially for 2 historically bad basketball teams?

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(03-09-2018 10:26 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 10:17 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I would think Seattle would be a lock if Gonzaga left. Also like wcc going after Air Force and Denver to get to 12. That would require AFA probably getting a football only deal with the AAc, who could than add VCU to pair with AFA...guess they would need another all sport member to balance things, than go after byu and army for football only to get to 16

Why in the world would Air Force voluntarily leave the MWC for the WCC?

Yeah, the only time that was ever a possibility was when AFA was being recruited for Big East football. WCC was a potential landing spot for its ollies, but, more than likely, it probably would have been WAC, Summit, or even the Big West. BEF never happened, so, neither came the need for this. AAC < BEF; this really isn't going to happen.
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(03-09-2018 12:07 AM)billings Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 05:09 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 03:42 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 03:21 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  The article is interesting, but for Gonzaga to leave the WCC they need to get a financial deal from the Mountain West that is as good as what they currently earn in the WCC. Below is the money earned by each team last season in the NCAA Tournament:

https://herosports.com/ncaa-tournament/h...-fund-a7a7

Gonzaga and St. Mary's earned almost $12 million for the WCC last season. Nevada earned $1.7 million for the MWC. When Gonzaga leaves, all the money they earned stays with the WCC. So how does Gonzaga make up for the loss in basketball revenue?

If the MWC cuts Gonzaga a sweetheart deal to join the conference, the same deal would not be available for BYU. If Gonzaga were to leave the WCC, there really is no reason for BYU to leave the WCC right away. The financial units or revenue that Gonzaga earned through their basketball success will still be there for the next few years. That revenue and having a much better shot at the WCC auto bid should keep BYU in the WCC for the next 3-4 years if Gonzaga leaves.

Each conference has its own revenue distribution rules but we can probably be safe assuming that Gonzaga gets no more than 12.5% of that money and no less than 8.3%. The high figure would be Gonzaga taking extra shares as a bonus, the bottom figure would represent equal sharing after the conference office deducts enough to fund the year's operations.

The revenue is spread over six years so when you start sharing with the league office, sure Gonzaga is leaving a lot of money but very little of it was ever going to land in their bank account.

Everything you said is correct. It is spread out over six years and you I think you have the money percentage right. Based on financial units collected over the past six years (at $265,000 per unit), the WCC should collect about $7.1 Million and the MWC about $5.8 million this season in revenue.

The period from 2015-2017 will get worse. The WCC collected 14 units, the MWC 6 units. For that three year period, the WCC will bring in more than $2 million more than the MWC, thanks to the success of Gonzaga.

So unless the MWC is going to give Gonzaga a generous cut of the TV revenue, then I don't see in the short term (3-4 years) how this would be financially a better deal for Gonzaga. It is the reason that I can't see BYU in the MWC, unless another team is leaving. Plus, BYU football is not leaving independence for the MWC.


how much money the wcc gets is irrelevent. how much of the ncaa credits did gonzaga get in the wcc is all that matters. my guess is they got very little. hell mwc can say you keep 50% of ncaa tourney dollars going forward and gonzaga is probably ahead $$ wise in one year.


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The Mountain West currently splits the money among 11 members. I highly doubt they are going to give Gonzaga a 50% share in the future.

https://www.abqjournal.com/741127/lack-o...c-unm.html

The Mountain West collected 33 financial units in 2016. They are down to 22 in 2018, a loss of nearly $3 million in NCAA Tournament revenue from their NCAA tournament 2016 revenue number. If Nevada wins the MWC again this year and they lose their NCAA game, they will be down to 18 units next year. That would be $4 million less than their 2016 revenue.

So adding Gonzaga means a 12 team split of a falling revenue number. The idea that Gonzaga would get 50% of a falling revenue number is ridiculous. This is not a move for Gonzaga that is going to
enrich them, at least not in the short term. They will also lose their conference revenue for the year if they leave. I don't know if there is an exit fee in the WCC because no one ever leaves. There would also be an entry fee to the MWC for Gonzaga. I have no idea what that would be for a school that does not bring football.
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(03-09-2018 10:26 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 10:17 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I would think Seattle would be a lock if Gonzaga left. Also like wcc going after Air Force and Denver to get to 12. That would require AFA probably getting a football only deal with the AAc, who could than add VCU to pair with AFA...guess they would need another all sport member to balance things, than go after byu and army for football only to get to 16

Why in the world would Air Force voluntarily leave the MWC for the WCC?

It's not even a fit, a federal institution with a bunch of Catholic/Jesuit schools? Without taking the easy way out and Googling, I thought Denver was non-sectarian?
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(03-09-2018 12:44 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Without taking the easy way out and Googling, I thought Denver was non-sectarian?

DU was originally a Methodist institution but long ago became nonsectarian. The same is true of current WCC member University of the Pacific.
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(03-09-2018 12:20 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 12:07 AM)billings Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 05:09 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
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(03-08-2018 03:21 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  The article is interesting, but for Gonzaga to leave the WCC they need to get a financial deal from the Mountain West that is as good as what they currently earn in the WCC. Below is the money earned by each team last season in the NCAA Tournament:

https://herosports.com/ncaa-tournament/h...-fund-a7a7

Gonzaga and St. Mary's earned almost $12 million for the WCC last season. Nevada earned $1.7 million for the MWC. When Gonzaga leaves, all the money they earned stays with the WCC. So how does Gonzaga make up for the loss in basketball revenue?

If the MWC cuts Gonzaga a sweetheart deal to join the conference, the same deal would not be available for BYU. If Gonzaga were to leave the WCC, there really is no reason for BYU to leave the WCC right away. The financial units or revenue that Gonzaga earned through their basketball success will still be there for the next few years. That revenue and having a much better shot at the WCC auto bid should keep BYU in the WCC for the next 3-4 years if Gonzaga leaves.

Each conference has its own revenue distribution rules but we can probably be safe assuming that Gonzaga gets no more than 12.5% of that money and no less than 8.3%. The high figure would be Gonzaga taking extra shares as a bonus, the bottom figure would represent equal sharing after the conference office deducts enough to fund the year's operations.

The revenue is spread over six years so when you start sharing with the league office, sure Gonzaga is leaving a lot of money but very little of it was ever going to land in their bank account.

Everything you said is correct. It is spread out over six years and you I think you have the money percentage right. Based on financial units collected over the past six years (at $265,000 per unit), the WCC should collect about $7.1 Million and the MWC about $5.8 million this season in revenue.

The period from 2015-2017 will get worse. The WCC collected 14 units, the MWC 6 units. For that three year period, the WCC will bring in more than $2 million more than the MWC, thanks to the success of Gonzaga.

So unless the MWC is going to give Gonzaga a generous cut of the TV revenue, then I don't see in the short term (3-4 years) how this would be financially a better deal for Gonzaga. It is the reason that I can't see BYU in the MWC, unless another team is leaving. Plus, BYU football is not leaving independence for the MWC.


how much money the wcc gets is irrelevent. how much of the ncaa credits did gonzaga get in the wcc is all that matters. my guess is they got very little. hell mwc can say you keep 50% of ncaa tourney dollars going forward and gonzaga is probably ahead $$ wise in one year.


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The Mountain West currently splits the money among 11 members. I highly doubt they are going to give Gonzaga a 50% share in the future.

https://www.abqjournal.com/741127/lack-o...c-unm.html

The Mountain West collected 33 financial units in 2016. They are down to 22 in 2018, a loss of nearly $3 million in NCAA Tournament revenue from their NCAA tournament 2016 revenue number. If Nevada wins the MWC again this year and they lose their NCAA game, they will be down to 18 units next year. That would be $4 million less than their 2016 revenue.

So adding Gonzaga means a 12 team split of a falling revenue number. The idea that Gonzaga would get 50% of a falling revenue number is ridiculous. This is not a move for Gonzaga that is going to
enrich them, at least not in the short term. They will also lose their conference revenue for the year if they leave. I don't know if there is an exit fee in the WCC because no one ever leaves. There would also be an entry fee to the MWC for Gonzaga. I have no idea what that would be for a school that does not bring football.

Also, I note that Gonzaga already sells out nearly every home game. So, there doesn't appear to be additional revenue there. Or, could they charge more for the MWC home schedule?

For BYU, a MWC conference schedule could make an impact. BYU's home attendance fluctuates depending on the opponent. We get 18-20K for home games against Utah, Utah St., and Gonzaga. However, most other WCC opponents attract about 12-13K, with an upside of about 16K attendance. Many MWC opponents would likely attract closer to the 16K number and SDSU and UNLV - or any highly-ranked team -
could probably get the 18-20K attendance level.
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That would be beneficial to BYU only. Does any conference get more money because they have a higher average attendance?
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Why Gonzaga only built a 6,000+ seat arena I'll never know. They should have built an 8k arena at the very least. 10k would work given how big they've become.
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(03-09-2018 05:19 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Why Gonzaga only built a 6,000+ seat arena I'll never know. They should have built an 8k arena at the very least. 10k would work given how big they've become.

They have about 7,000 students, and the Spokane metro area has only about half a million people. Not many universities of that size that have their own arena (i.e., not playing in someone else's building, like a municipal or NBA arena) have more seats in their building. Dayton, Duke, Wake Forest... anyone else?
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(03-09-2018 12:20 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 12:07 AM)billings Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 05:09 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
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(03-08-2018 03:21 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  The article is interesting, but for Gonzaga to leave the WCC they need to get a financial deal from the Mountain West that is as good as what they currently earn in the WCC. Below is the money earned by each team last season in the NCAA Tournament:

https://herosports.com/ncaa-tournament/h...-fund-a7a7

Gonzaga and St. Mary's earned almost $12 million for the WCC last season. Nevada earned $1.7 million for the MWC. When Gonzaga leaves, all the money they earned stays with the WCC. So how does Gonzaga make up for the loss in basketball revenue?

If the MWC cuts Gonzaga a sweetheart deal to join the conference, the same deal would not be available for BYU. If Gonzaga were to leave the WCC, there really is no reason for BYU to leave the WCC right away. The financial units or revenue that Gonzaga earned through their basketball success will still be there for the next few years. That revenue and having a much better shot at the WCC auto bid should keep BYU in the WCC for the next 3-4 years if Gonzaga leaves.

Each conference has its own revenue distribution rules but we can probably be safe assuming that Gonzaga gets no more than 12.5% of that money and no less than 8.3%. The high figure would be Gonzaga taking extra shares as a bonus, the bottom figure would represent equal sharing after the conference office deducts enough to fund the year's operations.

The revenue is spread over six years so when you start sharing with the league office, sure Gonzaga is leaving a lot of money but very little of it was ever going to land in their bank account.

Everything you said is correct. It is spread out over six years and you I think you have the money percentage right. Based on financial units collected over the past six years (at $265,000 per unit), the WCC should collect about $7.1 Million and the MWC about $5.8 million this season in revenue.

The period from 2015-2017 will get worse. The WCC collected 14 units, the MWC 6 units. For that three year period, the WCC will bring in more than $2 million more than the MWC, thanks to the success of Gonzaga.

So unless the MWC is going to give Gonzaga a generous cut of the TV revenue, then I don't see in the short term (3-4 years) how this would be financially a better deal for Gonzaga. It is the reason that I can't see BYU in the MWC, unless another team is leaving. Plus, BYU football is not leaving independence for the MWC.


how much money the wcc gets is irrelevent. how much of the ncaa credits did gonzaga get in the wcc is all that matters. my guess is they got very little. hell mwc can say you keep 50% of ncaa tourney dollars going forward and gonzaga is probably ahead $$ wise in one year.


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The Mountain West currently splits the money among 11 members. I highly doubt they are going to give Gonzaga a 50% share in the future.

https://www.abqjournal.com/741127/lack-o...c-unm.html

The Mountain West collected 33 financial units in 2016. They are down to 22 in 2018, a loss of nearly $3 million in NCAA Tournament revenue from their NCAA tournament 2016 revenue number. If Nevada wins the MWC again this year and they lose their NCAA game, they will be down to 18 units next year. That would be $4 million less than their 2016 revenue.

So adding Gonzaga means a 12 team split of a falling revenue number. The idea that Gonzaga would get 50% of a falling revenue number is ridiculous. This is not a move for Gonzaga that is going to
enrich them, at least not in the short term. They will also lose their conference revenue for the year if they leave. I don't know if there is an exit fee in the WCC because no one ever leaves. There would also be an entry fee to the MWC for Gonzaga. I have no idea what that would be for a school that does not bring football.


not what i meant. gonzaga would get 50% of their own future ncaa credits they earn. the rest go into the mwc pool not give them 50% of entire mwc pool



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I don't think it will happen but the idea is that Air Force would see the WCC like Army/Navy see the Patriot League. It's a better competitive fit.

The MWC has no reason to force the issue. But they'd probably like to shed AFA's basketball & boost their RPI. No reason football would have to leave the MWC. Hawaii's a football-only member.

For the WCC's part, inviting AFA would be like the Big West adding UCSD. A drag on RPI but good for academic branding. This discussion starts with the premise that Gonzaga is frustrated that other WCC schools don't care enough about basketball.
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RE: Gonzaga and the MWC have talked?
(03-09-2018 06:00 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 05:19 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Why Gonzaga only built a 6,000+ seat arena I'll never know. They should have built an 8k arena at the very least. 10k would work given how big they've become.

They have about 7,000 students, and the Spokane metro area has only about half a million people. Not many universities of that size that have their own arena (i.e., not playing in someone else's building, like a municipal or NBA arena) have more seats in their building. Dayton, Duke, Wake Forest... anyone else?

Yeah but Gonzaga was huge back when they were first emerging. They had fans everywhere, not just in Spokane. They were Spokane's NBA team. You plan for the future, just in case things aren't as rosy later on. That's why I say 8k would probably be best because 10k may indeed be way too big. 6.5K left no room to grow. Anything below 8k is small time imo.

Spokane isn't large but what else exactly is going on out there? The only other notable schools nearby are Eastern Washington, Washington State and Idaho, two of which aren't in the metro area and one of which isn't even in the state. Never mind that EWU has never had a notable basketball team. I don't know of any minor league sports out there and even the Sonics no longer play in the State of Washington.
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RE: Gonzaga and the MWC have talked?
(03-09-2018 09:25 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 06:00 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 05:19 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Why Gonzaga only built a 6,000+ seat arena I'll never know. They should have built an 8k arena at the very least. 10k would work given how big they've become.

They have about 7,000 students, and the Spokane metro area has only about half a million people. Not many universities of that size that have their own arena (i.e., not playing in someone else's building, like a municipal or NBA arena) have more seats in their building. Dayton, Duke, Wake Forest... anyone else?

Yeah but Gonzaga was huge back when they were first emerging. They had fans everywhere, not just in Spokane. They were Spokane's NBA team. You plan for the future, just in case things aren't as rosy later on. That's why I say 8k would probably be best because 10k may indeed be way too big. 6.5K left no room to grow. Anything below 8k is small time imo.

Spokane isn't large but what else exactly is going on out there? The only other notable schools nearby are Eastern Washington, Washington State and Idaho, two of which aren't in the metro area and one of which isn't even in the state. Never mind that EWU has never had a notable basketball team. I don't know of any minor league sports out there and even the Sonics no longer play in the State of Washington.

The Spokane Arena was just built with taxpayer dollars in 1995. It seats over 12,000 and used to host Gonzaga and some Washington State games and major concerts for the region. It replaced the Spokane Coliseum which only sat 5400. Gonzaga is far from a rich school with a limited endowment ($180 mill) and it probably was not in Gonzaga’s interest to get more events from the Spokane Arena that would alienate voters. The Spokane Arena was voted down four times so it was controversial.
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(03-09-2018 08:04 PM)ManleyPointer Wrote:  I don't think it will happen but the idea is that Air Force would see the WCC like Army/Navy see the Patriot League. It's a better competitive fit.

The MWC has no reason to force the issue. But they'd probably like to shed AFA's basketball & boost their RPI. No reason football would have to leave the MWC. Hawaii's a football-only member.

For the WCC's part, inviting AFA would be like the Big West adding UCSD. A drag on RPI but good for academic branding. This discussion starts with the premise that Gonzaga is frustrated that other WCC schools don't care enough about basketball.

There's a lot of conferences that feel that way about a certain member. You don't expel members over something so petty unless they're an affiliate that was supposed to be excelling at that (Temple football and the Big East) or they bring absolutely nothing else to the table. The MWC doesn't mind that Air Force does little in basketball because of everything else they bring to the table both in athletics and as an institution. I just don't see the WCC as being compatible, though I suppose it could work. I think it's far more likely they start a conference with some relatively nearby privates such as Tulane, Tulsa, Rice, SMU, Denver and maybe a couple more, such as Incarnate Word and Abilene Christian (just tossing the last two out there).
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RE: Gonzaga and the MWC have talked?
(03-09-2018 09:44 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 09:25 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 06:00 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 05:19 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Why Gonzaga only built a 6,000+ seat arena I'll never know. They should have built an 8k arena at the very least. 10k would work given how big they've become.

They have about 7,000 students, and the Spokane metro area has only about half a million people. Not many universities of that size that have their own arena (i.e., not playing in someone else's building, like a municipal or NBA arena) have more seats in their building. Dayton, Duke, Wake Forest... anyone else?

Yeah but Gonzaga was huge back when they were first emerging. They had fans everywhere, not just in Spokane. They were Spokane's NBA team. You plan for the future, just in case things aren't as rosy later on. That's why I say 8k would probably be best because 10k may indeed be way too big. 6.5K left no room to grow. Anything below 8k is small time imo.

Spokane isn't large but what else exactly is going on out there? The only other notable schools nearby are Eastern Washington, Washington State and Idaho, two of which aren't in the metro area and one of which isn't even in the state. Never mind that EWU has never had a notable basketball team. I don't know of any minor league sports out there and even the Sonics no longer play in the State of Washington.

The Spokane Arena was just built with taxpayer dollars in 1995. It seats over 12,000 and used to host Gonzaga and some Washington State games and major concerts for the region. It replaced the Spokane Coliseum which only sat 5400. Gonzaga is far from a rich school with a limited endowment ($180 mill) and it probably was not in Gonzaga’s interest to get more events from the Spokane Arena that would alienate voters. The Spokane Arena was voted down four times so it was controversial.
So there’s a 12,000 seat Arena in Gonzaga’s town? How often does Gonzaga play games there these days?
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