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RE: Miami sued Arkansas State BEFORE AState sued them
(03-08-2018 01:16 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 12:56 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 09:03 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
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(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

If Miami was so concerned about their players' welfare, they had 3 days to put their players on a plane and send them to Jonesboro, AR hundreds of miles away from any hurricanes....you know.....like they were suppose to do. The universities in the rest of Florida plus Georgia Southern were all able to fly their teams to their respective away games or move the location of their home game before Irma even hit the states. FIU, a school in the same city as Miami, even moved their home game to Birmingham, AL without any hassle whatsoever. Miami has just been uncooperative from the beginning.

The, "you should have gotten them out of the city" argument is rather stupid to be frank with you.

There are more concerns than just their physical location at the time of the storm hitting.

I agree with you to some extent that they were uncooperative. But, the issue is at what point does their uncooperativeness jump the rail from caution and concern, of whatever degree, to being a bunch of ass holes just looking to get out of a game.

There is nothing that has been presented, or can be presented, that says they were anything other than perhaps overly cautious.

Actually I believe Miami offered to bus to Orlando any student-athlete who wished to leave.

And that makes Miami's cautious actions more or less likely to have been veiled attack on A-State?
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RE: Miami sued Arkansas State BEFORE AState sued them
(03-08-2018 01:15 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 10:24 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 09:01 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 08:44 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

Yeah, we are meanies and poor Miami is only concerned with families and stuff. That's just how it is with us G5's, only concerned about money all the time.



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Well, your comment really sums it up I guess. You see this as an opportunity to hurt a P5 program that you are deeply envious of. That's the long and the short of your stance.
I am certainly not envious of Miami, their fans, or their illustrious history of ethical adherance to rules and procedure. I have no interest in my university ever becoming that.

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I always enjoy it when P5 fans get their noses up in the air thinking everyone is jealous and just wants to be like their wonderful selves.

Like I always tell Razorback fans, if I wanted to be like them its not hard. All I have to do is go to Wal-Mart, buy a t-shirt, yell Woo Pig and I'm in the club. I can join up anytime I want and start talking about how superior I am for doing it. I can start talking down to people immediately.

I choose not to do so. So I guess I'm not jealous.

I could associate myself with Miami today, buy some shades and gold necklaces and strut around. I know some who have done just that because they want to be "bad boys".

We don't all need that.

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RE: Miami sued Arkansas State BEFORE AState sued them
(03-08-2018 08:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

Yes, it's been a PR failure for ARK-ST. Even during the hurricane, they seemed more worried about the "fan fests" and whatnot that they'd organized around the blue-chip program visiting their school than anything Miami was going through.

It's been a bad look for ARK-ST all around.

LOL. That's why they're simply turning DOWN an (probably not in good faith) offer for Miami to still go to Jonesboro. They don't want any 'fan fests' around a Miami game at all anymore. They just want Miami to just pay them the heavily discounted payday for the game Arkansas State went to Miami for and Miami earned their income from (I'd say they had their 'fan fests' but that would presume that anyone actually attends Miami football games - well other than the visiting fans).

Arkansas State isn't begging Miami to come play them. Its actually suing to NOT have them come to Jonesboro using Miami's risible offer of a game in about a decade or so.

I think the obvious conclusion is that stAte feel that Miami thinks they should get a 'free' home game, and can take advantage of a random hurricane somewhere in the Atlantic Basin to stiff Arkansas State out of the return game and the cancellation fee.
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RE: Miami sued Arkansas State BEFORE AState sued them
(03-08-2018 03:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 08:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

Yes, it's been a PR failure for ARK-ST. Even during the hurricane, they seemed more worried about the "fan fests" and whatnot that they'd organized around the blue-chip program visiting their school than anything Miami was going through.

It's been a bad look for ARK-ST all around.

LOL. That's why they're simply turning DOWN an (probably not in good faith) offer for Miami to still go to Jonesboro. They don't want any 'fan fests' around a Miami game at all anymore. They just want Miami to just pay them the heavily discounted payday for the game Arkansas State went to Miami for and Miami earned their income from (I'd say they had their 'fan fests' but that would presume that anyone actually attends Miami football games - well other than the visiting fans).

Arkansas State isn't begging Miami to come play them. Its actually suing to NOT have them come to Jonesboro using Miami's risible offer of a game in about a decade or so.

I think the obvious conclusion is that stAte feel that Miami thinks they should get a 'free' home game, and can take advantage of a random hurricane somewhere in the Atlantic Basin to stiff Arkansas State out of the return game and the cancellation fee.

Correct. They already benefited from our cheap rate as part of a home and home. We would have charged much higher for a straight-up buy game.

I don't think the $650K will even make THAT up, not even counting our losses from the lost home game, or the cost of premiums we gave fans to try to make up for the cancellation, costs which we already have mentally written off.

We just want the contracted buyout we are due to make up for some of the loss on the discounted game we already played at their place that they have ALREADY benefitted from.

They KNOW they got us cheaper only because of the home and home but are still hoping to walk away and keep that cost-saving and not have to pay the contracted buyout.

They might very well win on a technicality, but its not a moral stance and is in bad faith, IMO.







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RE: Miami sued Arkansas State BEFORE AState sued them
Let's not rule out that Miami is postponing the game until 2024 or 2025 for Arkansas State to get better locker rooms.

In all seriousness, FIU and FAU played the games because they need the money. Georgia Southern needed the win (but failed to get it) and Florida State rescheduled theirs once it was apparent they needed it to be bowl eligible. Miami's game the following week against their biggest rival was cancelled. UCF had two games cancelled including a home game against Georgia Tech. Did they pay a cancellation fee or was that game rescheduled?
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(03-08-2018 07:10 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Let's not rule out that Miami is postponing the game until 2024 or 2025 for Arkansas State to get better locker rooms.

In all seriousness, FIU and FAU played the games because they need the money. Georgia Southern needed the win (but failed to get it) and Florida State rescheduled theirs once it was apparent they needed it to be bowl eligible. Miami's game the following week against their biggest rival was cancelled. UCF had two games cancelled including a home game against Georgia Tech. Did they pay a cancellation fee or was that game rescheduled?

They want to postpone the game until 2024 so that Miami can cancel it in 2023, and delay the payment of the cancellation fee, thus making its value even lower than it already is.

Or, they'll just use some risible excuse, like a random crime in Jonesboro or a Hurricane anywhere in the Atlantic Basin to cancel the game and just offer up a new date of 2040 or so.
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RE: Miami sued Arkansas State BEFORE AState sued them
(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

I think Arkansas State's argument that it was possible for Miami to play the game is a legal "Hail Mary"--probably won't work, but might as well try.

The more serious case is the fact that Miami isn't interested in scheduling in a reasonable time frame, placing a 7th home game above making Arkansas State whole. Or just paying the buyout.

(03-08-2018 12:32 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  Doubtful a judge can order a game. That could be arbitrated though.

Expect the judge will look solely at financial loses claimed by both sides, and order one side to pay the discrepancy. The judge will be guided by the strict interpretation of the clauses in the contract with some reliance on precedence for anything ambiguous. This would pertain to any similar situations due to game cancellations, particularly as it relates to weather or other unexpected events that impact.

Most likely, they will treat the buyout number as a "liquidated damages" clause. When damages are likely to be sizable, but also hard to predict, and therefore the source of a huge legal mess, parties will often put a "liquidated damages" clause in, saying that losses from breaking this contract will be sizeable and hard to measure, so we're agreeing in advance on $X.

Since Miami and Arkansas State agreed in 2013 that cancelling the game would cost a $650,000 buyout, I figure the judge will say "that's the number." Even though the conditions for the $650,000 buyout may not apply.

(03-08-2018 07:10 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  Let's not rule out that Miami is postponing the game until 2024 or 2025 for Arkansas State to get better locker rooms.

That would be a better argument than anything Miami has put out, but I still don't think it holds any weight in court--presumably Arky State's locker rooms didn't suddenly become janky between 2013 and 2017.

Quote:In all seriousness, FIU and FAU played the games because they need the money. Georgia Southern needed the win (but failed to get it) and Florida State rescheduled theirs once it was apparent they needed it to be bowl eligible. Miami's game the following week against their biggest rival was cancelled. UCF had two games cancelled including a home game against Georgia Tech. Did they pay a cancellation fee or was that game rescheduled?

Miami-FSU was rescheduled, not cancelled. I'm not sure if UCF paid Georgia Tech a buyout, or if that's a pure "force majeure" case of "it's a poop sandwich, everybody has to take a bite". UCF is playing at Georgia Tech in 2020, anyway.

I don't think FIU vs Alcorn State in Birmingham was a big moneymaker for FIU. (Might have lost less money than it would have cost to buy out Alcorn State, though.)
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RE: Miami sued Arkansas State BEFORE AState sued them
(03-08-2018 03:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 08:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

Yes, it's been a PR failure for ARK-ST. Even during the hurricane, they seemed more worried about the "fan fests" and whatnot that they'd organized around the blue-chip program visiting their school than anything Miami was going through.

It's been a bad look for ARK-ST all around.

LOL. That's why they're simply turning DOWN an (probably not in good faith) offer for Miami to still go to Jonesboro. They don't want any 'fan fests' around a Miami game at all anymore. They just want Miami to just pay them the heavily discounted payday for the game Arkansas State went to Miami for and Miami earned their income from (I'd say they had their 'fan fests' but that would presume that anyone actually attends Miami football games - well other than the visiting fans).

Arkansas State isn't begging Miami to come play them. Its actually suing to NOT have them come to Jonesboro using Miami's risible offer of a game in about a decade or so.

I think the obvious conclusion is that stAte feel that Miami thinks they should get a 'free' home game, and can take advantage of a random hurricane somewhere in the Atlantic Basin to stiff Arkansas State out of the return game and the cancellation fee.

Please. Alone among all the games that got canceled, ARK-ST showed clear butt-hurt when Miami didn't show up. They were crestfallen. And that hurt pride is what's probably driving all this.

ARK-ST basically was treating the Miami game like a Homecoming, they had all kinds of activities around it. It burst their widdle bubble when the Canes didn't show.

Sad that they weren't able to keep any perspective about i. 07-coffee3
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RE: Miami sued Arkansas State BEFORE AState sued them
(03-09-2018 03:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 03:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 08:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

Yes, it's been a PR failure for ARK-ST. Even during the hurricane, they seemed more worried about the "fan fests" and whatnot that they'd organized around the blue-chip program visiting their school than anything Miami was going through.

It's been a bad look for ARK-ST all around.

LOL. That's why they're simply turning DOWN an (probably not in good faith) offer for Miami to still go to Jonesboro. They don't want any 'fan fests' around a Miami game at all anymore. They just want Miami to just pay them the heavily discounted payday for the game Arkansas State went to Miami for and Miami earned their income from (I'd say they had their 'fan fests' but that would presume that anyone actually attends Miami football games - well other than the visiting fans).

Arkansas State isn't begging Miami to come play them. Its actually suing to NOT have them come to Jonesboro using Miami's risible offer of a game in about a decade or so.

I think the obvious conclusion is that stAte feel that Miami thinks they should get a 'free' home game, and can take advantage of a random hurricane somewhere in the Atlantic Basin to stiff Arkansas State out of the return game and the cancellation fee.

Please. Alone among all the games that got canceled, ARK-ST showed clear butt-hurt when Miami didn't show up. They were crestfallen. And that hurt pride is what's probably driving all this.

ARK-ST basically was treating the Miami game like a Homecoming, they had all kinds of activities around it. It burst their widdle bubble when the Canes didn't show.

Sad that they weren't able to keep any perspective about i. 07-coffee3

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RE: Miami sued Arkansas State BEFORE AState sued them
(03-09-2018 03:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 03:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 08:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

Yes, it's been a PR failure for ARK-ST. Even during the hurricane, they seemed more worried about the "fan fests" and whatnot that they'd organized around the blue-chip program visiting their school than anything Miami was going through.

It's been a bad look for ARK-ST all around.

LOL. That's why they're simply turning DOWN an (probably not in good faith) offer for Miami to still go to Jonesboro. They don't want any 'fan fests' around a Miami game at all anymore. They just want Miami to just pay them the heavily discounted payday for the game Arkansas State went to Miami for and Miami earned their income from (I'd say they had their 'fan fests' but that would presume that anyone actually attends Miami football games - well other than the visiting fans).

Arkansas State isn't begging Miami to come play them. Its actually suing to NOT have them come to Jonesboro using Miami's risible offer of a game in about a decade or so.

I think the obvious conclusion is that stAte feel that Miami thinks they should get a 'free' home game, and can take advantage of a random hurricane somewhere in the Atlantic Basin to stiff Arkansas State out of the return game and the cancellation fee.

Please. Alone among all the games that got canceled, ARK-ST showed clear butt-hurt when Miami didn't show up. They were crestfallen. And that hurt pride is what's probably driving all this.

ARK-ST basically was treating the Miami game like a Homecoming, they had all kinds of activities around it. It burst their widdle bubble when the Canes didn't show.

Sad that they weren't able to keep any perspective about i. 07-coffee3

LOL. Sorry to burst you bubble, but its pretty obvious Arkansas State ain't in awe of the P5.

They are basically telling Miami...take your insulting offer to come back in 8 years and shove it. You wouldn't dare do this to a P5, so don't do it to us.

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By the way, congrats on your wonderful schedule last year too. You guys got to host a big bad P5 last year (went 1-10 vs FBS). I'm sure that was exciting for USF to host the second worst team in the P5 and a bottom 20 team in all of FBS last year. And then you got to play a 6 win Texas Tech team in a bowl (3 of their wins were total garbage - coming against Kansas and Baylor and against a FCS). Wow....I know were a sucky G5 team (oops I mean G4 - LOL)....can we please get to play some hot garbage from the P5 like USF? You guys are so cool, playing that awesome schedule. We could never be like you. LOL, actually most, if not all Sun Belt teams had a far tougher schedule than USF did.
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(03-09-2018 04:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 03:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 03:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 08:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

Yes, it's been a PR failure for ARK-ST. Even during the hurricane, they seemed more worried about the "fan fests" and whatnot that they'd organized around the blue-chip program visiting their school than anything Miami was going through.

It's been a bad look for ARK-ST all around.

LOL. That's why they're simply turning DOWN an (probably not in good faith) offer for Miami to still go to Jonesboro. They don't want any 'fan fests' around a Miami game at all anymore. They just want Miami to just pay them the heavily discounted payday for the game Arkansas State went to Miami for and Miami earned their income from (I'd say they had their 'fan fests' but that would presume that anyone actually attends Miami football games - well other than the visiting fans).

Arkansas State isn't begging Miami to come play them. Its actually suing to NOT have them come to Jonesboro using Miami's risible offer of a game in about a decade or so.

I think the obvious conclusion is that stAte feel that Miami thinks they should get a 'free' home game, and can take advantage of a random hurricane somewhere in the Atlantic Basin to stiff Arkansas State out of the return game and the cancellation fee.

Please. Alone among all the games that got canceled, ARK-ST showed clear butt-hurt when Miami didn't show up. They were crestfallen. And that hurt pride is what's probably driving all this.

ARK-ST basically was treating the Miami game like a Homecoming, they had all kinds of activities around it. It burst their widdle bubble when the Canes didn't show.

Sad that they weren't able to keep any perspective about i. 07-coffee3

LOL. Sorry to burst you bubble, but its pretty obvious Arkansas State ain't in awe of the P5.

They are basically telling Miami...take your insulting offer to come back in 8 years and shove it. You wouldn't dare do this to a P5, so don't do it to us.

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By the way, congrats on your wonderful schedule last year too. You guys got to host a big bad P5 last year (went 1-10 vs FBS). I'm sure that was exciting for USF to host the second worst team in the P5 and a bottom 20 team in all of FBS last year. And then you got to play a 6 win Texas Tech team in a bowl (3 of their wins were total garbage - coming against Kansas and Baylor and against a FCS). Wow....I know were a sucky G5 team (oops I mean G4 - LOL)....can we please get to play some hot garbage from the P5 like USF? You guys are so cool, playing that awesome schedule. We could never be like you. LOL, actually most, if not all Sun Belt teams had a far tougher schedule than USF did.

03-lmfao

You guys only started to act like you don't want to play Miami after they dumped you. Before then, you planned your whole season around the game which is why you couldn't be classy about the cancel. Arse sore indeed, like some high school dude who tells he never liked the hot girl after she laughed at his elaborate prom proposal.

As for us, yes, our OOC schedule was awful last year. We need to schedule tougher.

Still finished in the top 25 for the second straight season. ARKS will do that ... some decade. 07-coffee3
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RE: Miami sued Arkansas State BEFORE AState sued them
(03-09-2018 08:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 04:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 03:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 03:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 08:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yes, it's been a PR failure for ARK-ST. Even during the hurricane, they seemed more worried about the "fan fests" and whatnot that they'd organized around the blue-chip program visiting their school than anything Miami was going through.

It's been a bad look for ARK-ST all around.

LOL. That's why they're simply turning DOWN an (probably not in good faith) offer for Miami to still go to Jonesboro. They don't want any 'fan fests' around a Miami game at all anymore. They just want Miami to just pay them the heavily discounted payday for the game Arkansas State went to Miami for and Miami earned their income from (I'd say they had their 'fan fests' but that would presume that anyone actually attends Miami football games - well other than the visiting fans).

Arkansas State isn't begging Miami to come play them. Its actually suing to NOT have them come to Jonesboro using Miami's risible offer of a game in about a decade or so.

I think the obvious conclusion is that stAte feel that Miami thinks they should get a 'free' home game, and can take advantage of a random hurricane somewhere in the Atlantic Basin to stiff Arkansas State out of the return game and the cancellation fee.

Please. Alone among all the games that got canceled, ARK-ST showed clear butt-hurt when Miami didn't show up. They were crestfallen. And that hurt pride is what's probably driving all this.

ARK-ST basically was treating the Miami game like a Homecoming, they had all kinds of activities around it. It burst their widdle bubble when the Canes didn't show.

Sad that they weren't able to keep any perspective about i. 07-coffee3

LOL. Sorry to burst you bubble, but its pretty obvious Arkansas State ain't in awe of the P5.

They are basically telling Miami...take your insulting offer to come back in 8 years and shove it. You wouldn't dare do this to a P5, so don't do it to us.

---

By the way, congrats on your wonderful schedule last year too. You guys got to host a big bad P5 last year (went 1-10 vs FBS). I'm sure that was exciting for USF to host the second worst team in the P5 and a bottom 20 team in all of FBS last year. And then you got to play a 6 win Texas Tech team in a bowl (3 of their wins were total garbage - coming against Kansas and Baylor and against a FCS). Wow....I know were a sucky G5 team (oops I mean G4 - LOL)....can we please get to play some hot garbage from the P5 like USF? You guys are so cool, playing that awesome schedule. We could never be like you. LOL, actually most, if not all Sun Belt teams had a far tougher schedule than USF did.

03-lmfao

You guys only started to act like you don't want to play Miami after they dumped you. Before then, you planned your whole season around the game which is why you couldn't be classy about the cancel. Arse sore indeed, like some high school dude who tells he never liked the hot girl after she laughed at his elaborate prom proposal.

As for us, yes, our OOC schedule was awful last year. We need to schedule tougher.

Still finished in the top 25 for the second straight season. ARKS will do that ... some decade. 07-coffee3
We've been trolled in this stupid fashion for decades by Hog fans. It has limited effect on us.

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(03-09-2018 03:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 03:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  LOL. That's why they're simply turning DOWN an (probably not in good faith) offer for Miami to still go to Jonesboro. They don't want any 'fan fests' around a Miami game at all anymore. They just want Miami to just pay them the heavily discounted payday for the game Arkansas State went to Miami for and Miami earned their income from (I'd say they had their 'fan fests' but that would presume that anyone actually attends Miami football games - well other than the visiting fans).

Arkansas State isn't begging Miami to come play them. Its actually suing to NOT have them come to Jonesboro using Miami's risible offer of a game in about a decade or so.

I think the obvious conclusion is that stAte feel that Miami thinks they should get a 'free' home game, and can take advantage of a random hurricane somewhere in the Atlantic Basin to stiff Arkansas State out of the return game and the cancellation fee.

Please. Alone among all the games that got canceled, ARK-ST showed clear butt-hurt when Miami didn't show up. They were crestfallen. And that hurt pride is what's probably driving all this.

ARK-ST basically was treating the Miami game like a Homecoming, they had all kinds of activities around it. It burst their widdle bubble when the Canes didn't show.

Sad that they weren't able to keep any perspective about i. 07-coffee3

LOL. Sorry to burst you bubble, but its pretty obvious Arkansas State ain't in awe of the P5.

They are basically telling Miami...take your insulting offer to come back in 8 years and shove it. You wouldn't dare do this to a P5, so don't do it to us.

---

By the way, congrats on your wonderful schedule last year too. You guys got to host a big bad P5 last year (went 1-10 vs FBS). I'm sure that was exciting for USF to host the second worst team in the P5 and a bottom 20 team in all of FBS last year. And then you got to play a 6 win Texas Tech team in a bowl (3 of their wins were total garbage - coming against Kansas and Baylor and against a FCS). Wow....I know were a sucky G5 team (oops I mean G4 - LOL)....can we please get to play some hot garbage from the P5 like USF? You guys are so cool, playing that awesome schedule. We could never be like you. LOL, actually most, if not all Sun Belt teams had a far tougher schedule than USF did.

03-lmfao

You guys only started to act like you don't want to play Miami after they dumped you. Before then, you planned your whole season around the game which is why you couldn't be classy about the cancel. Arse sore indeed, like some high school dude who tells he never liked the hot girl after she laughed at his elaborate prom proposal.

As for us, yes, our OOC schedule was awful last year. We need to schedule tougher.

Still finished in the top 25 for the second straight season. ARKS will do that ... some decade. 07-coffee3
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RE: Miami sued Arkansas State BEFORE AState sued them
(03-09-2018 09:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 08:30 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 08:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 04:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 03:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Please. Alone among all the games that got canceled, ARK-ST showed clear butt-hurt when Miami didn't show up. They were crestfallen. And that hurt pride is what's probably driving all this.

ARK-ST basically was treating the Miami game like a Homecoming, they had all kinds of activities around it. It burst their widdle bubble when the Canes didn't show.

Sad that they weren't able to keep any perspective about i. 07-coffee3

LOL. Sorry to burst you bubble, but its pretty obvious Arkansas State ain't in awe of the P5.

They are basically telling Miami...take your insulting offer to come back in 8 years and shove it. You wouldn't dare do this to a P5, so don't do it to us.

---

By the way, congrats on your wonderful schedule last year too. You guys got to host a big bad P5 last year (went 1-10 vs FBS). I'm sure that was exciting for USF to host the second worst team in the P5 and a bottom 20 team in all of FBS last year. And then you got to play a 6 win Texas Tech team in a bowl (3 of their wins were total garbage - coming against Kansas and Baylor and against a FCS). Wow....I know were a sucky G5 team (oops I mean G4 - LOL)....can we please get to play some hot garbage from the P5 like USF? You guys are so cool, playing that awesome schedule. We could never be like you. LOL, actually most, if not all Sun Belt teams had a far tougher schedule than USF did.

03-lmfao

You guys only started to act like you don't want to play Miami after they dumped you. Before then, you planned your whole season around the game which is why you couldn't be classy about the cancel. Arse sore indeed, like some high school dude who tells he never liked the hot girl after she laughed at his elaborate prom proposal.

As for us, yes, our OOC schedule was awful last year. We need to schedule tougher.

Still finished in the top 25 for the second straight season. ARKS will do that ... some decade. 07-coffee3
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Lmao.

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RE: Miami sued Arkansas State BEFORE AState sued them
(03-09-2018 03:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 03:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 08:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

Yes, it's been a PR failure for ARK-ST. Even during the hurricane, they seemed more worried about the "fan fests" and whatnot that they'd organized around the blue-chip program visiting their school than anything Miami was going through.

It's been a bad look for ARK-ST all around.

LOL. That's why they're simply turning DOWN an (probably not in good faith) offer for Miami to still go to Jonesboro. They don't want any 'fan fests' around a Miami game at all anymore. They just want Miami to just pay them the heavily discounted payday for the game Arkansas State went to Miami for and Miami earned their income from (I'd say they had their 'fan fests' but that would presume that anyone actually attends Miami football games - well other than the visiting fans).

Arkansas State isn't begging Miami to come play them. Its actually suing to NOT have them come to Jonesboro using Miami's risible offer of a game in about a decade or so.

I think the obvious conclusion is that stAte feel that Miami thinks they should get a 'free' home game, and can take advantage of a random hurricane somewhere in the Atlantic Basin to stiff Arkansas State out of the return game and the cancellation fee.

Please. Alone among all the games that got canceled, ARK-ST showed clear butt-hurt when Miami didn't show up. They were crestfallen. And that hurt pride is what's probably driving all this.

ARK-ST basically was treating the Miami game like a Homecoming, they had all kinds of activities around it. It burst their widdle bubble when the Canes didn't show.

Sad that they weren't able to keep any perspective about i. 07-coffee3

So we are just moving off into fiction writing now?
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RE: Miami sued Arkansas State BEFORE AState sued them
(03-09-2018 10:32 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 03:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 03:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 08:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

Yes, it's been a PR failure for ARK-ST. Even during the hurricane, they seemed more worried about the "fan fests" and whatnot that they'd organized around the blue-chip program visiting their school than anything Miami was going through.

It's been a bad look for ARK-ST all around.

LOL. That's why they're simply turning DOWN an (probably not in good faith) offer for Miami to still go to Jonesboro. They don't want any 'fan fests' around a Miami game at all anymore. They just want Miami to just pay them the heavily discounted payday for the game Arkansas State went to Miami for and Miami earned their income from (I'd say they had their 'fan fests' but that would presume that anyone actually attends Miami football games - well other than the visiting fans).

Arkansas State isn't begging Miami to come play them. Its actually suing to NOT have them come to Jonesboro using Miami's risible offer of a game in about a decade or so.

I think the obvious conclusion is that stAte feel that Miami thinks they should get a 'free' home game, and can take advantage of a random hurricane somewhere in the Atlantic Basin to stiff Arkansas State out of the return game and the cancellation fee.

Please. Alone among all the games that got canceled, ARK-ST showed clear butt-hurt when Miami didn't show up. They were crestfallen. And that hurt pride is what's probably driving all this.

ARK-ST basically was treating the Miami game like a Homecoming, they had all kinds of activities around it. It burst their widdle bubble when the Canes didn't show.

Sad that they weren't able to keep any perspective about i. 07-coffee3

So we are just moving off into fiction writing now?

My account of how ARK was treating the Miami game is spot-on, as is my description of the sore-arsed response.

Delusional ARK fans seem to have forgotten what happened just six months ago. Amazing. 07-coffee3
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RE: Miami sued Arkansas State BEFORE AState sued them
(03-09-2018 08:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 04:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 03:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 03:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 08:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yes, it's been a PR failure for ARK-ST. Even during the hurricane, they seemed more worried about the "fan fests" and whatnot that they'd organized around the blue-chip program visiting their school than anything Miami was going through.

It's been a bad look for ARK-ST all around.

LOL. That's why they're simply turning DOWN an (probably not in good faith) offer for Miami to still go to Jonesboro. They don't want any 'fan fests' around a Miami game at all anymore. They just want Miami to just pay them the heavily discounted payday for the game Arkansas State went to Miami for and Miami earned their income from (I'd say they had their 'fan fests' but that would presume that anyone actually attends Miami football games - well other than the visiting fans).

Arkansas State isn't begging Miami to come play them. Its actually suing to NOT have them come to Jonesboro using Miami's risible offer of a game in about a decade or so.

I think the obvious conclusion is that stAte feel that Miami thinks they should get a 'free' home game, and can take advantage of a random hurricane somewhere in the Atlantic Basin to stiff Arkansas State out of the return game and the cancellation fee.

Please. Alone among all the games that got canceled, ARK-ST showed clear butt-hurt when Miami didn't show up. They were crestfallen. And that hurt pride is what's probably driving all this.

ARK-ST basically was treating the Miami game like a Homecoming, they had all kinds of activities around it. It burst their widdle bubble when the Canes didn't show.

Sad that they weren't able to keep any perspective about i. 07-coffee3

LOL. Sorry to burst you bubble, but its pretty obvious Arkansas State ain't in awe of the P5.

They are basically telling Miami...take your insulting offer to come back in 8 years and shove it. You wouldn't dare do this to a P5, so don't do it to us.

---

By the way, congrats on your wonderful schedule last year too. You guys got to host a big bad P5 last year (went 1-10 vs FBS). I'm sure that was exciting for USF to host the second worst team in the P5 and a bottom 20 team in all of FBS last year. And then you got to play a 6 win Texas Tech team in a bowl (3 of their wins were total garbage - coming against Kansas and Baylor and against a FCS). Wow....I know were a sucky G5 team (oops I mean G4 - LOL)....can we please get to play some hot garbage from the P5 like USF? You guys are so cool, playing that awesome schedule. We could never be like you. LOL, actually most, if not all Sun Belt teams had a far tougher schedule than USF did.

03-lmfao

You guys only started to act like you don't want to play Miami after they dumped you. Before then, you planned your whole season around the game which is why you couldn't be classy about the cancel. Arse sore indeed, like some high school dude who tells he never liked the hot girl after she laughed at his elaborate prom proposal.

I think that Ark State is more like the kid who refuses to be bullied. Good for them.

BTW, I'm not particularly a stAte fan, but rather a fan of a school that had this BS happen to us in 2016 - but at least when it happened to us, we were paid handsomely for the inconvenience - LSU paid us 1.5 million bucks and Florida paid for a FCS team to come play us - net benefit to my school - well over 1 million bucks and a bowl game. I'd rather have gotten a shot at LSU to be honest. But USA's contract had some pretty nasty cancellation provisions in it. It was also reported that USA could sue LSU for breach and UF and the SEC for intentionally interfering with their contract. Thankfully, it was LSU that was on the hook for it, and not Miami.
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RE: Miami sued Arkansas State BEFORE AState sued them
(03-09-2018 10:32 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 03:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 03:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 08:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 08:35 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The shadow of all of this is that from a policy standpoint siding with A-State is essentially telling schools in Miami's position to be more concerned with contracts than with the safety and welfare of their student athletes and their families.

Also, it is kind of funny that people act as if the laws in Arkansas and Florida are somehow miles apart.

Yes, it's been a PR failure for ARK-ST. Even during the hurricane, they seemed more worried about the "fan fests" and whatnot that they'd organized around the blue-chip program visiting their school than anything Miami was going through.

It's been a bad look for ARK-ST all around.

LOL. That's why they're simply turning DOWN an (probably not in good faith) offer for Miami to still go to Jonesboro. They don't want any 'fan fests' around a Miami game at all anymore. They just want Miami to just pay them the heavily discounted payday for the game Arkansas State went to Miami for and Miami earned their income from (I'd say they had their 'fan fests' but that would presume that anyone actually attends Miami football games - well other than the visiting fans).

Arkansas State isn't begging Miami to come play them. Its actually suing to NOT have them come to Jonesboro using Miami's risible offer of a game in about a decade or so.

I think the obvious conclusion is that stAte feel that Miami thinks they should get a 'free' home game, and can take advantage of a random hurricane somewhere in the Atlantic Basin to stiff Arkansas State out of the return game and the cancellation fee.

Please. Alone among all the games that got canceled, ARK-ST showed clear butt-hurt when Miami didn't show up. They were crestfallen. And that hurt pride is what's probably driving all this.

ARK-ST basically was treating the Miami game like a Homecoming, they had all kinds of activities around it. It burst their widdle bubble when the Canes didn't show.

Sad that they weren't able to keep any perspective about i. 07-coffee3

So we are just moving off into fiction writing now?
Obvious troll is obvious.

Does this stuff actually work on other fanbases?

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RE: Miami sued Arkansas State BEFORE AState sued them
(03-09-2018 11:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 08:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 04:08 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 03:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 03:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  LOL. That's why they're simply turning DOWN an (probably not in good faith) offer for Miami to still go to Jonesboro. They don't want any 'fan fests' around a Miami game at all anymore. They just want Miami to just pay them the heavily discounted payday for the game Arkansas State went to Miami for and Miami earned their income from (I'd say they had their 'fan fests' but that would presume that anyone actually attends Miami football games - well other than the visiting fans).

Arkansas State isn't begging Miami to come play them. Its actually suing to NOT have them come to Jonesboro using Miami's risible offer of a game in about a decade or so.

I think the obvious conclusion is that stAte feel that Miami thinks they should get a 'free' home game, and can take advantage of a random hurricane somewhere in the Atlantic Basin to stiff Arkansas State out of the return game and the cancellation fee.

Please. Alone among all the games that got canceled, ARK-ST showed clear butt-hurt when Miami didn't show up. They were crestfallen. And that hurt pride is what's probably driving all this.

ARK-ST basically was treating the Miami game like a Homecoming, they had all kinds of activities around it. It burst their widdle bubble when the Canes didn't show.

Sad that they weren't able to keep any perspective about i. 07-coffee3

LOL. Sorry to burst you bubble, but its pretty obvious Arkansas State ain't in awe of the P5.

They are basically telling Miami...take your insulting offer to come back in 8 years and shove it. You wouldn't dare do this to a P5, so don't do it to us.

---

By the way, congrats on your wonderful schedule last year too. You guys got to host a big bad P5 last year (went 1-10 vs FBS). I'm sure that was exciting for USF to host the second worst team in the P5 and a bottom 20 team in all of FBS last year. And then you got to play a 6 win Texas Tech team in a bowl (3 of their wins were total garbage - coming against Kansas and Baylor and against a FCS). Wow....I know were a sucky G5 team (oops I mean G4 - LOL)....can we please get to play some hot garbage from the P5 like USF? You guys are so cool, playing that awesome schedule. We could never be like you. LOL, actually most, if not all Sun Belt teams had a far tougher schedule than USF did.

03-lmfao

You guys only started to act like you don't want to play Miami after they dumped you. Before then, you planned your whole season around the game which is why you couldn't be classy about the cancel. Arse sore indeed, like some high school dude who tells he never liked the hot girl after she laughed at his elaborate prom proposal.

I think that Ark State is more like the kid who refuses to be bullied. Good for them.

BTW, I'm not particularly a stAte fan, but rather a fan of a school that had this BS happen to us in 2016 - but at least when it happened to us, we were paid handsomely for the inconvenience - LSU paid us 1.5 million bucks and Florida paid for a FCS team to come play us - net benefit to my school - well over 1 million bucks and a bowl game. I'd rather have gotten a shot at LSU to be honest. But USA's contract had some pretty nasty cancellation provisions in it. It was also reported that USA could sue LSU for breach and UF and the SEC for intentionally interfering with their contract. Thankfully, it was LSU that was on the hook for it, and not Miami.

I'm not sure how USA was subject to BS in 2016. Florida and LSU decided to make up their canceled game on 11/19, an important conference game, and so USA was paid the $1.5 million you were owed as per the contract, there was no breach. You can't expect any team to prioritize an OOC game over a conference game, and heck, I'm not sure how a $1.5m payout could be called 'nasty' for anyone but LSU. For USA, that was probably as much money as your entire conference payout from C-USA in total that year, maybe more.

Nobody violated any agreement with you in any way so you didn't have any complaints. And to your credit, unlike ARKS, you didn't complain.
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(03-10-2018 12:24 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 10:32 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 03:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 03:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 08:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yes, it's been a PR failure for ARK-ST. Even during the hurricane, they seemed more worried about the "fan fests" and whatnot that they'd organized around the blue-chip program visiting their school than anything Miami was going through.

It's been a bad look for ARK-ST all around.

LOL. That's why they're simply turning DOWN an (probably not in good faith) offer for Miami to still go to Jonesboro. They don't want any 'fan fests' around a Miami game at all anymore. They just want Miami to just pay them the heavily discounted payday for the game Arkansas State went to Miami for and Miami earned their income from (I'd say they had their 'fan fests' but that would presume that anyone actually attends Miami football games - well other than the visiting fans).

Arkansas State isn't begging Miami to come play them. Its actually suing to NOT have them come to Jonesboro using Miami's risible offer of a game in about a decade or so.

I think the obvious conclusion is that stAte feel that Miami thinks they should get a 'free' home game, and can take advantage of a random hurricane somewhere in the Atlantic Basin to stiff Arkansas State out of the return game and the cancellation fee.

Please. Alone among all the games that got canceled, ARK-ST showed clear butt-hurt when Miami didn't show up. They were crestfallen. And that hurt pride is what's probably driving all this.

ARK-ST basically was treating the Miami game like a Homecoming, they had all kinds of activities around it. It burst their widdle bubble when the Canes didn't show.

Sad that they weren't able to keep any perspective about i. 07-coffee3

So we are just moving off into fiction writing now?
Obvious troll is obvious.

Does this stuff actually work on other fanbases?

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Not sure if it works on other fan bases, but if i was trolling, it sure as hell worked on you two yokels from the Ozarks. You've been dancing to my tune for 8-9 pages now. 07-coffee3
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