(03-05-2018 11:40 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I look at "Power" as this criteria:

-How much money do your conference media contracts command

-What Bowl games want to be your partner

-How many current P5 schools would drop everything and join your conference if there were no barriers (politics/buyouts etc)

Those tell you who really has power and who really does not.

And none of those criteria have anything to do with your allegiances....right? I'm sure if your team wasn't comfortably in the P5, your criteria wouldn't be different?

Just asking for honesty's sake...

(03-05-2018 04:12 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 11:40 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I look at "Power" as this criteria:

-How much money do your conference media contracts command

-What Bowl games want to be your partner

-How many current P5 schools would drop everything and join your conference if there were no barriers (politics/buyouts etc)

Those tell you who really has power and who really does not.

And none of those criteria have anything to do with your allegiances....right? I'm sure if your team wasn't comfortably in the P5, your criteria wouldn't be different?

Just asking for honesty's sake...

Those are simply my criteria for what I believe really constitutes the "Power" in a Power Conference.

But if you think that's inaccurate then tell us what you believe constitutes the "Power" in a Power Conference?

(03-05-2018 11:40 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I look at "Power" as this criteria:

-How much money do your conference media contracts command

-What Bowl games want to be your partner

-How many current P5 schools would drop everything and join your conference if there were no barriers (politics/buyouts etc)

Those tell you who really has power and who really does not.

I agree, but I was addressing the "power" issue strictly from the angle of results on the field.

Regarding money, it goes without saying that the AAC is not a power conference and is firmly in the G5 camp.

Gotcha

(03-05-2018 11:40 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  -How many current P5 schools would drop everything and join your conference if there were no barriers (politics/buyouts etc)

If you removed "current P5" from your definition, I'd agree with you more. Using 'P5' to define a 'power conference' is a circular definition.

(03-05-2018 08:20 PM)McKinney Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 11:40 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  -How many current P5 schools would drop everything and join your conference if there were no barriers (politics/buyouts etc)

If you removed "current P5" from your definition, I'd agree with you more. Using 'P5' to define a 'power conference' is a circular definition.

Not necessarily. The Logic is as follows:

Any G5 would join any P conference that offered purely out of necessity so it's no real indication of anything. On the other P5 already are in a good situation so if they would leave to join you then it's a clear indicator that you offer the best of the best.

(03-05-2018 08:46 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 08:20 PM)McKinney Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 11:40 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  -How many current P5 schools would drop everything and join your conference if there were no barriers (politics/buyouts etc)

If you removed "current P5" from your definition, I'd agree with you more. Using 'P5' to define a 'power conference' is a circular definition.

Not necessarily. The Logic is as follows:

Any G5 would join any P conference that offered so it's no real indication of anything. On the other P5 already are in a good situation so if they would leave to join you then it's a clear indicator that you offer the best of the best.

So then the Big-XII and ACC are not a power conferences?

Maryland and Nebraska to B1G
Colorado to Pac-12
Texas A&M and Missouri to SEC

Does that mean that a non-power conference won the 2016 football National Championship and the 2017 NCAA basketball National Championship?

If you extend that to former AQ conferences, when did Big East/American lose its power status?

Was it in 2004-05 when they lost BC, Miami, and Virginia Tech to ACC? Or was 2012-2014 when they lost West Virginia, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, Louisville, and Rutgers to Big-XII, ACC, and B1G?

Or does The American count as a power because it brought on five AQ conference teams when it was formed? UCONN, Rutgers, Cincinnati, Louisville, and South Florida.

This is the way it has comfortably played itself out and will continue in doing so... I guess I'm ok with it till the AAC gets pay what it deserves... It is what it is ladies n gentlemen.

1. SEC * Today 1st tomorrow 2nd
2. B1G * Today 2nd tomorrow 1st
3. PAC
4. ACC
5. Big12

6. AAC *Well name programs, huge markets n crazy darn good solid potential in football basketball n baseball.



7. ?!?
8. ?!?
9. ?!?
10. ?!?

I guess UCF dumb claim to a title is fitting. After all, they belong to a conference that is just as ridiculous calling itself P6.


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Again, not saying the ACC and B12 are NOT power conferences, just that they are the lesser of the Ps. They still do very well in the first two metrics compared to the G conferences.

(03-06-2018 07:32 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Again, not saying the ACC and B12 are NOT power conferences, just that they are the lesser of the Ps. They still do very well in the first two metrics compared to the G conferences.

I don't think there's any question that in terms of 'stability', the ACC and Big 12 are the least stable of the P5. We know that, because they are the P5 that have been raided by other P5 in recent years.

But, IMO both are more stable now than they were 5 years ago. They both have GORs and media deals that will keep their members happy at least until 2025 (in the case of the Big 12). Both are also doing fine on the football field and basketball court.

Basically, for the next 5-6 years at least, there is no actual instability among any of the P5.

(03-05-2018 09:03 PM)McKinney Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 08:46 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 08:20 PM)McKinney Wrote:  

(03-05-2018 11:40 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  -How many current P5 schools would drop everything and join your conference if there were no barriers (politics/buyouts etc)

If you removed "current P5" from your definition, I'd agree with you more. Using 'P5' to define a 'power conference' is a circular definition.

Not necessarily. The Logic is as follows:

Any G5 would join any P conference that offered so it's no real indication of anything. On the other P5 already are in a good situation so if they would leave to join you then it's a clear indicator that you offer the best of the best.

So then the Big-XII and ACC are not a power conferences?

Maryland and Nebraska to B1G
Colorado to Pac-12
Texas A&M and Missouri to SEC

Does that mean that a non-power conference won the 2016 football National Championship and the 2017 NCAA basketball National Championship?

If you extend that to former AQ conferences, when did Big East/American lose its power status?

Was it in 2004-05 when they lost BC, Miami, and Virginia Tech to ACC? Or was 2012-2014 when they lost West Virginia, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame, Louisville, and Rutgers to Big-XII, ACC, and B1G?

In retrospect, the Big East Football Conference was a dead man walking from the moment Miami left. Are the ACC and Big XII? Maybe, or maybe not. But the B1G, SEC and PAC certainly aren't. So there's a division there.

Quote:Or does The American count as a power because it brought on five AQ conference teams when it was formed? UCONN, Rutgers, Cincinnati, Louisville, and South Florida.

No.

(03-06-2018 09:26 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-06-2018 07:32 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Again, not saying the ACC and B12 are NOT power conferences, just that they are the lesser of the Ps. They still do very well in the first two metrics compared to the G conferences.

I don't think there's any question that in terms of 'stability', the ACC and Big 12 are the least stable of the P5. We know that, because they are the P5 that have been raided by other P5 in recent years.

But, IMO both are more stable now than they were 5 years ago. They both have GORs and media deals that will keep their members happy at least until 2025 (in the case of the Big 12). Both are also doing fine on the football field and basketball court.

Basically, for the next 5-6 years at least, there is no actual instability among any of the P5.

ACC is pretty stable unless ESPN struggles. Since the ACC is owned 100% by ESPN until 2038. With the way media is changing, I could see the ACC being the most likely conference to change by the time the Big 10 renegotiated their media deal in 2021 and Big 12 renegotiated in 2023. If both conferences exclude ESPN (the PAC too by 2021) then 3 of the cartel conferences from California to New Jersey leaving ESPIN would devastate ESPN...therefore devastating the ACC who would still have 15 years of being owned 100% by an outdated media model.