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RE: Huge day for the AAC
I think the American looked good on TV... 8,644 for yesterday’s session isn’t a terrible neutral site number - sure the ends were empty, but as I flipped from conference to conference a lot of them had that at their neutral sites. 8,644 in a mid-sized Arena would look great.

As an alumni of a CUSA school, I found the small temp bleachers, which were not even full, as looking like they’ve given up and thrown in the towel on the league.
03-11-2018 08:47 AM
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(03-11-2018 03:21 AM)zdiddy513 Wrote:  
(03-11-2018 03:17 AM)Agust Wrote:  in a recent interview with mike aresco one of his major factors of moving the tournament to dallas was because its location to nearby teams and its hope that it will draw bigger wsu fans.

im pretty sure he notices the eyesore that is on tv and the move to dallas only helps put people in the stand. it will be great moving forward.

That's fine. I'd rather it be filled with opposing team fans than desolate on national TV like it has been. But this league already has unbalanced scheduling and to add an unfair tournament location just makes the championships mean that much less.


Unless, of course, you win. You logic dictates only a reserved and pleasant satisfaction here should your ‘cats win today. Yeah..... right?

Good luck today though. Hoping for a classic.

And good luck to all AAC post season teams. Let’s Do This!
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(03-11-2018 08:00 AM)rosewater Wrote:  
(03-11-2018 07:22 AM)geef Wrote:  
(03-11-2018 03:09 AM)zdiddy513 Wrote:  
(03-11-2018 02:59 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-11-2018 02:50 AM)zdiddy513 Wrote:  How am I insane? It's not fair to Cincy or UCONN (the historical powers) to have the tournament in Texas every year. I am terrified of flying lol. It would be nice to have an extra incentive to winning the conference by hosting the tourney the following year. Why should Wichita, SMU and Houston be given a competitive advantage every single year when we could fill an arena in a city nearby?

lol...You had it in NY every year when it was the Big East. Hell---its never been west of Memphis in the first 5 years of the AAC. Its been essentially in the east every single year and attendance has pretty much sucked.

All Im saying is if it sells well in Dallas---then we'd be dumb to to move it from there. Thats why we leave the women's tournament in the Mohegan--its doing well at that location. 04-cheers

NYC is ~9 hours from here and we had a decent contingency there. And it was the Big East so it was packed regardless. Dallas/FW is ~15 hour drive. Noone is making that drive or even flying to an inconsequential tournament from here.

So, you base your analysis on the fact that you're afraid of flying and a few hundred fans in a curtained, partitioned court looks good? Sounds reasonable.

Other than the flying thing, I think his rationale is strong. We need the tournament in a place where the people will show up, and fair to all the teams. Put it in Cincinnati and it is a sell out. Put it in Wichita and it is a sell out. Put it at Smu and it is a sell out. Orlando is not going to produce. Memphis has not produced. USF, ECU, Houston and Tulane will not produce. Play on the campus of teams that have crowds.

So seed based on regular season standings and play every game on the higher seeded team’s home court over the space of tourney week. Every game becomes a sellout and the AAC breaks new ground. I’d go for that. Conference tourneys seem to be a necessary inconvenience. Why not at least make them profitable?
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Forget OKC, let’s just go ahead and have it at Intrust in Wichita. You want a packed arena?
03-11-2018 08:56 AM
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(03-11-2018 08:56 AM)Shockem Wrote:  Forget OKC, let’s just go ahead and have it at Intrust in Wichita. You want a packed arena?

Honest question here:

Shocks get bumped in the quarters. Still all sellouts at Intrust?
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(03-11-2018 08:58 AM)SadderBudweiser Wrote:  
(03-11-2018 08:56 AM)Shockem Wrote:  Forget OKC, let’s just go ahead and have it at Intrust in Wichita. You want a packed arena?

Honest question here:

Shocks get bumped in the quarters. Still all sellouts at Intrust?

All session sales wouldn't be impacted but of course there would be fewer butts in seats.

Still likely more than any other member-as-host-city venue though.
03-11-2018 09:06 AM
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Nope
03-11-2018 09:10 AM
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(03-11-2018 08:00 AM)rosewater Wrote:  
(03-11-2018 07:22 AM)geef Wrote:  
(03-11-2018 03:09 AM)zdiddy513 Wrote:  
(03-11-2018 02:59 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(03-11-2018 02:50 AM)zdiddy513 Wrote:  How am I insane? It's not fair to Cincy or UCONN (the historical powers) to have the tournament in Texas every year. I am terrified of flying lol. It would be nice to have an extra incentive to winning the conference by hosting the tourney the following year. Why should Wichita, SMU and Houston be given a competitive advantage every single year when we could fill an arena in a city nearby?

lol...You had it in NY every year when it was the Big East. Hell---its never been west of Memphis in the first 5 years of the AAC. Its been essentially in the east every single year and attendance has pretty much sucked.

All Im saying is if it sells well in Dallas---then we'd be dumb to to move it from there. Thats why we leave the women's tournament in the Mohegan--its doing well at that location. 04-cheers

NYC is ~9 hours from here and we had a decent contingency there. And it was the Big East so it was packed regardless. Dallas/FW is ~15 hour drive. Noone is making that drive or even flying to an inconsequential tournament from here.

So, you base your analysis on the fact that you're afraid of flying and a few hundred fans in a curtained, partitioned court looks good? Sounds reasonable.

Other than the flying thing, I think his rationale is strong. We need the tournament in a place where the people will show up, and fair to all the teams. Put it in Cincinnati and it is a sell out. Put it in Wichita and it is a sell out. Put it at Smu and it is a sell out. Orlando is not going to produce. Memphis has not produced. USF, ECU, Houston and Tulane will not produce. Play on the campus of teams that have crowds.

We'll have plenty of fans fly to Dallas for the tournament, and we have a strong alumni base in Texas. Our contingent there will be as strong as it is in Orlando at 1,000 plus. Add in the all of the fan bases that can drive, and you're looking at a tourney that will draw 10,000 or more. It's not perfect, but it's a good location.
03-11-2018 09:27 AM
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(03-11-2018 09:27 AM)geef Wrote:  
(03-11-2018 08:00 AM)rosewater Wrote:  
(03-11-2018 07:22 AM)geef Wrote:  
(03-11-2018 03:09 AM)zdiddy513 Wrote:  
(03-11-2018 02:59 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  lol...You had it in NY every year when it was the Big East. Hell---its never been west of Memphis in the first 5 years of the AAC. Its been essentially in the east every single year and attendance has pretty much sucked.

All Im saying is if it sells well in Dallas---then we'd be dumb to to move it from there. Thats why we leave the women's tournament in the Mohegan--its doing well at that location. 04-cheers

NYC is ~9 hours from here and we had a decent contingency there. And it was the Big East so it was packed regardless. Dallas/FW is ~15 hour drive. Noone is making that drive or even flying to an inconsequential tournament from here.

So, you base your analysis on the fact that you're afraid of flying and a few hundred fans in a curtained, partitioned court looks good? Sounds reasonable.

Other than the flying thing, I think his rationale is strong. We need the tournament in a place where the people will show up, and fair to all the teams. Put it in Cincinnati and it is a sell out. Put it in Wichita and it is a sell out. Put it at Smu and it is a sell out. Orlando is not going to produce. Memphis has not produced. USF, ECU, Houston and Tulane will not produce. Play on the campus of teams that have crowds.

We'll have plenty of fans fly to Dallas for the tournament, and we have a strong alumni base in Texas. Our contingent there will be as strong as it is in Orlando at 1,000 plus. Add in the all of the fan bases that can drive, and you're looking at a tourney that will draw 10,000 or more. It's not perfect, but it's a good location.

I have faith in our 1000 plus strong. Smu will have a strong contingent because of proximity and of course Wichita will show. I have zero faith in the other schools. Most of these fan bases do not show up for important home games. This feels like 6000 in attendance.
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RE: Huge day for the AAC
(03-11-2018 08:47 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  I think the American looked good on TV... 8,644 for yesterday’s session isn’t a terrible neutral site number - sure the ends were empty, but as I flipped from conference to conference a lot of them had that at their neutral sites. 8,644 in a mid-sized Arena would look great.

As an alumni of a CUSA school, I found the small temp bleachers, which were not even full, as looking like they’ve given up and thrown in the towel on the league.

8644 would be tickets sold. There were not that many people actually attending. I was at the game and actual attendance was likely in the 4000 range. I know UC sold its 600 ticket allotment and Wichita did as well. UC has many alumni in Florida, particularly among retirees, and there were many of them at the games over the last two days. No other school had much presence, including "home standing" UCF.
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(03-11-2018 08:00 AM)rosewater Wrote:  Other than the flying thing, I think his rationale is strong. We need the tournament in a place where the people will show up, and fair to all the teams. Put it in Cincinnati and it is a sell out. Put it in Wichita and it is a sell out. Put it at Smu and it is a sell out. Orlando is not going to produce. Memphis has not produced. USF, ECU, Houston and Tulane will not produce. Play on the campus of teams that have crowds.

Memphis as the host in 2014 has had the best attendance for the tourney by far--even after Memphis lost in their first game. This is the announced attendance for the sessions:

12,122
13,014
13,081
11,888
13,554

I understand that's not all butts in seats, but for at least for the finals game and the Memphis game those are fairly accurate imho as I was there. Total attendance 63,000. Next best was at UConn with 45,000 in 2015.
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If this game was being held in Fort Worth today, you'd see a couple of thousand UH folks in attendance. We've got a DFW alumni base and there'd be caravans driving up I-45 this morning. That's why it is important to host the event close to several schools.

SMU, Tulsa, and even more Wichita State fans would be doing the same if they were in the semifinals and finals.

That's the main issue with having it in Florida. You pretty much either needed to plan to attend weeks ago or cross your fingers and hope UCF/USF made runs. Nobody in this league outside of those two schools could get fans there last minute.
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(03-11-2018 10:43 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  
(03-11-2018 08:00 AM)rosewater Wrote:  Other than the flying thing, I think his rationale is strong. We need the tournament in a place where the people will show up, and fair to all the teams. Put it in Cincinnati and it is a sell out. Put it in Wichita and it is a sell out. Put it at Smu and it is a sell out. Orlando is not going to produce. Memphis has not produced. USF, ECU, Houston and Tulane will not produce. Play on the campus of teams that have crowds.

Memphis as the host in 2014 has had the best attendance for the tourney by far--even after Memphis lost in their first game. This is the announced attendance for the sessions:

12,122
13,014
13,081
11,888
13,554

I understand that's not all butts in seats, but for at least for the finals game and the Memphis game those are fairly accurate imho as I was there. Total attendance 63,000. Next best was at UConn with 45,000 in 2015.

I am not trying to flame Memphis and I think that they can get interest back, but the place was empty during most of the tournament.
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(03-11-2018 11:11 AM)CornellCoog Wrote:  If this game was being held in Fort Worth today, you'd see a couple of thousand UH folks in attendance. We've got a DFW alumni base and there'd be caravans driving up I-45 this morning. That's why it is important to host the event close to several schools.

SMU, Tulsa, and even more Wichita State fans would be doing the same if they were in the semifinals and finals.

That's the main issue with having it in Florida. You pretty much either needed to plan to attend weeks ago or cross your fingers and hope UCF/USF made runs. Nobody in this league outside of those two schools could get fans there last minute.

I heard ECU was massing at the border and handing out rations of jerky and Boone’s Farm. Alas.... to no avail.
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