http://www.greensboro.com/sports/accxtra...2ef4d.html

The reality of the sprawling ACC is that the first few days are more about eliminating teams that don’t belong. That would still include Syracuse even five years after they Orange joined the league. That would also include Louisville, which has embarrassed itself and the conference almost from the minute it was “voted” into the ACC.

There’s still a club mentality to the league founded in Greensboro in 1953, and each school earns its own keep and its own identity. And the tournament is where the traits are revealed.

In the solemn moment before the UNC-Syracuse game Wednesday night, the tournament paused to honor the memory of Woody Durham, the longtime voice of the Tar Heels who passed away earlier that morning.

As the crowd quieted, only the electrical hum of the arena could be heard. And then a Syracuse fan screamed.

“Let’s go Orange!”

And then someone else decided to act like an idiot.

“We’re not in Greensboro!”

No we’re not. And for some of us, we can’t get back too soon.


The new ACC wants to come back here, which is fine as long as we never have to come back two years in a row. These aren’t our people. In fact, some of our people aren’t really our people any more.

But we can deal with the idiots until they learn that there’s a certain decorum about the ACC Tournament..........



and the tension began to show about the time Louisville coach David Padgett gave Virginia coach Tony Bennett a no-look handshake on his way out of the tournament.



The 65th ACC Tournament really starts today, and those of us who have watched them all our lives know that.

The tickets aren’t at face value now. The street peddlers have been replaced by the pros, and those without the stomach for the weekend have gone home. That would include the screaming fool from Syracuse.

No, we’re not in Greensboro.

And the Orange aren’t in Brooklyn.

The sour grapes and sense of entitlement from the Greensboro media is hilarious. I can't get enough of the salt. Keep postin' XLance!

(03-09-2018 08:36 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  The sour grapes and sense of entitlement from the Greensboro media is hilarious. I can't get enough of the salt. Keep postin' XLance!

You are so right. Its really an issue of insecurity. Those folks in Carolina are concerned that they are losing their grip of influence on the league. They can no longer dominate this league as they have in the past because there are more members to vote against their voting block.

As much as the common folks down there hate the idea of the Tourney being in NYC, they fail to see that it is a necessity. The league wouldnt host the tourney in NYC if it didnt have to. It would not have expanded with SU and Pitt if it didnt have to. It would not have invited Louisville if it didnt have to. It would not have given ND its sweetheart deal if it didnt have to. Even if the new schools are having a bad year on the court, and have been dismissed, the influence that they wield within the conference is still on display down there in Brooklyn. And that scares these Old ACC fans to death and is the cause of their insecurity.

Oh brother...the author is a pompous ass, isn't it enough that the NC teams get the refs?

(03-09-2018 08:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  http://www.greensboro.com/sports/accxtra...2ef4d.html

The reality of the sprawling ACC is that the first few days are more about eliminating teams that don’t belong. That would still include Syracuse even five years after they Orange joined the league. That would also include Louisville, which has embarrassed itself and the conference almost from the minute it was “voted” into the ACC.

There’s still a club mentality to the league founded in Greensboro in 1953, and each school earns its own keep and its own identity. And the tournament is where the traits are revealed.

In the solemn moment before the UNC-Syracuse game Wednesday night, the tournament paused to honor the memory of Woody Durham, the longtime voice of the Tar Heels who passed away earlier that morning.

As the crowd quieted, only the electrical hum of the arena could be heard. And then a Syracuse fan screamed.

“Let’s go Orange!”

And then someone else decided to act like an idiot.

“We’re not in Greensboro!”

No we’re not. And for some of us, we can’t get back too soon.


The new ACC wants to come back here, which is fine as long as we never have to come back two years in a row. These aren’t our people. In fact, some of our people aren’t really our people any more.

But we can deal with the idiots until they learn that there’s a certain decorum about the ACC Tournament..........



and the tension began to show about the time Louisville coach David Padgett gave Virginia coach Tony Bennett a no-look handshake on his way out of the tournament.



The 65th ACC Tournament really starts today, and those of us who have watched them all our lives know that.

The tickets aren’t at face value now. The street peddlers have been replaced by the pros, and those without the stomach for the weekend have gone home. That would include the screaming fool from Syracuse.

No, we’re not in Greensboro.

And the Orange aren’t in Brooklyn.

I have to say, you aren't our people either. There are screaming fools behind every school. Some scream with their lungs, some with their computer, and some are just louder than others. But they're all the same.

Bitter. Resentful. Petty.

About what I would expect from a randomly sampled newspaper.

To the Big East refugees that the ACC took in, you'd get more respect from your elders if your teams were more successful and you would show up for the games in NYC. Only all old ACC members are in the semis and tickets have reportedly been selling well below face outside the arena.

Also, even though only one or two persons were responsible for what happened in the moment of silence for Woody Durham, I think the entire old ACC, not just UNC fans, found that incident extremely troubling. That sort of thing should be unthinkable. It would be if the tournament were in NC. That's not going to be forgotten.

There's no telling what the future holds. I'm not completely sure the ACC as it currently exists is stable for the long haul. None of us want our team to be left out in the cold.

Not only randomly sampled, but randomly sampled out of Greensboro.

Let Syracuse fill the "Maryland" (heel) role -- the ACC actually NEEDS "that" team, because, frankly, as much as the media wants to try and create a "UVA vs the world" rivalry in men's hoops, it's not working. Syracuse is "that" school. Let's embrace it. Let 'em have their say.

Then, let's play ball.

(03-09-2018 11:17 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Not only randomly sampled, but randomly sampled out of Greensboro.

Let Syracuse fill the "Maryland" (heel) role -- the ACC actually NEEDS "that" team, because, frankly, as much as the media wants to try and create a "UVA vs the world" rivalry in men's hoops, it's not working. Syracuse is "that" school. Let's embrace it. Let 'em have their say.

Then, let's play ball.

I hear you, but the Woody Durham incident aside, from what I've seen of Syracuse fans, they're not like that. I think they're far classier than the Terp fans who were just dreadful.

I think the problem that exists now is that the Big East refugees don't feel completely at home in the ACC and the old ACC fans have trouble recognizing the ACC as it is now. This may work out in time but I'm not sure it's stable in the long term. Everyone has a stake in making it work, however, since there aren't reasonable alternatives for anyone.

BTW, there's no question that the Va. Tech fans fit in. They're already old ACC in a sense.

(03-09-2018 12:09 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 11:17 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  Not only randomly sampled, but randomly sampled out of Greensboro.

Let Syracuse fill the "Maryland" (heel) role -- the ACC actually NEEDS "that" team, because, frankly, as much as the media wants to try and create a "UVA vs the world" rivalry in men's hoops, it's not working. Syracuse is "that" school. Let's embrace it. Let 'em have their say.

Then, let's play ball.

I hear you, but the Woody Durham incident aside, from what I've seen of Syracuse fans, they're not like that. I think they're far classier than the Terp fans who were just dreadful.

I think the problem that exists now is that the Big East refugees don't feel completely at home in the ACC and the old ACC fans have trouble recognizing the ACC as it is now. This may work out in time but I'm not sure it's stable in the long term. Everyone has a stake in making it work, however, since there aren't reasonable alternatives for anyone.

BTW, there's no question that the Va. Tech fans fit in. They're already old ACC in a sense.

Bingo on the bolded part. That's why we should make the divisions "East" and "Atlantic" with the old Big East in the former and most of the old ACC in the latter. Embrace the history of both leagues. Every school has a few idiot fans (with the exception of the Gamechickens having a 100% mouth breathing, knuckle dragging fan and alumni base), so I wouldn't be too hard on Syracuse on account of a few morons with no class. As far as the old tobacco road crowd whining about having the ACC tournament in Brooklyn, DC, and Charlotte goes - get over it. It's the new ACC and it's clearly the best answer going forward.

(03-09-2018 11:12 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  To the Big East refugees that the ACC took in, you'd get more respect from your elders if your teams were more successful and you would show up for the games in NYC.

You realize Syracuse has been under the spectre of probation or actual probation for a decade?

Of course we are down. The Tuesday night session drew over 10,000 fans and Wake Fans were there by the dozens.

The Wednesday night game drew nearly 18,000. If Cuse had a normal Top 15 team on Wednesday night the game would have had a hard sellout

The bolded part of your quote is why UNC/Duke fans have issues with the so called "unwashed masses"... seriously Cuse has been playing sports at a high level over 100 years

(03-09-2018 11:12 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  To the Big East refugees that the ACC took in, you'd get more respect from your elders if your teams were more successful and you would show up for the games in NYC. Only all old ACC members are in the semis and tickets have reportedly been selling well below face outside the arena.

Also, even though only one or two persons were responsible for what happened in the moment of silence for Woody Durham, I think the entire old ACC, not just UNC fans, found that incident extremely troubling. That sort of thing should be unthinkable. It would be if the tournament were in NC. That's not going to be forgotten.

There's no telling what the future holds. I'm not completely sure the ACC as it currently exists is stable for the long haul. None of us want our team to be left out in the cold.

As a fan of one of the BE schools that the ACC NEEDED, I can confidently say that none of us have asked for any ones respect. Whether you respect me or not, I'm still living my life just fine, not knowing or caring if any of you respect me or not.

(03-09-2018 08:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  These aren’t our people. In fact, some of our people aren’t really our people any more.[/b]

But we can deal with the idiots until they learn that there’s a certain decorum about the ACC Tournament..........

Wow, talk about full of self....... Funny newsletter XLance thanks for the heads up.

This is the N/S cultural rift on display as far as I'm concerned. 150 years and a war hasn't fixed that. I don't think Swofford will be fixing it either.

What is funny is the notion that anyone would care what the Tobacco Road crowd thinks about any subject on Earth.

It ain't your grand pappy's ACC any longer and never will be again.

(Yeah, I know that I am a fan of a school whose football program isn't in the conference, but you guys in your desperation needed ND badly enough for all of your presidents to agree to the arrangement)

It is also funny that the author neglected to mention that a "Yankee Refugee" team in ND won the Tournament in its second or third year in the league and was in the finals last year.

P.S. I never knew who Woody Durham was until after he was dead. I had never heard of him in my 60 years on this Earth.

No disrespect intended, just to point out that the world doesn't revolve around North Carolina.

I suspect these regional tensions may eventually cause the ACC to implode.

(03-09-2018 08:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  http://www.greensboro.com/sports/accxtra...2ef4d.html

The reality of the sprawling ACC is that the first few days are more about eliminating teams that don’t belong. That would still include Syracuse even five years after they Orange joined the league. That would also include Louisville, which has embarrassed itself and the conference almost from the minute it was “voted” into the ACC.

There’s still a club mentality to the league founded in Greensboro in 1953, and each school earns its own keep and its own identity. And the tournament is where the traits are revealed.

In the solemn moment before the UNC-Syracuse game Wednesday night, the tournament paused to honor the memory of Woody Durham, the longtime voice of the Tar Heels who passed away earlier that morning.

As the crowd quieted, only the electrical hum of the arena could be heard. And then a Syracuse fan screamed.

“Let’s go Orange!”

And then someone else decided to act like an idiot.

“We’re not in Greensboro!”

No we’re not. And for some of us, we can’t get back too soon.


The new ACC wants to come back here, which is fine as long as we never have to come back two years in a row. These aren’t our people. In fact, some of our people aren’t really our people any more.

But we can deal with the idiots until they learn that there’s a certain decorum about the ACC Tournament..........



and the tension began to show about the time Louisville coach David Padgett gave Virginia coach Tony Bennett a no-look handshake on his way out of the tournament.



The 65th ACC Tournament really starts today, and those of us who have watched them all our lives know that.

The tickets aren’t at face value now. The street peddlers have been replaced by the pros, and those without the stomach for the weekend have gone home. That would include the screaming fool from Syracuse.

No, we’re not in Greensboro.

And the Orange aren’t in Brooklyn.

I didn't click on the link ... but I assume the writer is totally cool with the academic fraud perpetuated by UNC for the better part of 2 decades ??

Talk about embarrassing. Just because the NCAA has no balls, doesn't mean that what went down is acceptable. Using young athletes, many of whom are black, and NOT giving them the education they were promised when they signed on to play for UNC.

Maybe the writer pines for the days of segregated water fountains too.

(03-09-2018 12:40 PM)TerryD Wrote:  (Yeah, I know that I am a fan of a school whose football program isn't in the conference, but you guys in your desperation needed ND badly enough for all of your presidents to agree to the arrangement)

And by all you mean of course, just like in expansion, they held the first real vote and, after seeing it would pass, held the second official "unanimous" vote to appear in solidarity.

The devil is in the details.

(03-09-2018 12:40 PM)TerryD Wrote:  P.S. I never knew who Woody Durham was until after he was dead. I had never heard of him in my 60 years on this Earth.

That's your loss.

(03-09-2018 08:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  http://www.greensboro.com/sports/accxtra...2ef4d.html

The reality of the sprawling ACC is that the first few days are more about eliminating teams that don’t belong. That would still include Syracuse even five years after they Orange joined the league. That would also include Louisville, which has embarrassed itself and the conference almost from the minute it was “voted” into the ACC.

Ha ha ha. Between this thread and the other thread you created this week, pure comedy gold. The article is written by a third party, but you clearly buy into the drivel hook line and sinker. If we want to stereotype, let me guess, you are 65-70 years old and your game attire at the Dean Dome is dress shoes, a white button down shirt tucked into tan dress slacks, and a baby blue sweater vest over top the white button down. Am I far off?

UNC giving out fake degrees for two decades to kids that can't read above a 3rd grade level is the biggest embarrassment in the history of the ACC, but I wouldn't expect the clueless high and mighty heel fans & nose blind NC media to ever face reality.

Swofford appears to finally "get it". Of course, "get it" means 11 of 15 schools, all media, and the people from 49 states don't want the tournament in NC every season and that it's bad for the league in the modern world. I don't expect dinosaurs to ever like that, but I do get high enjoyment from viewing the weeping and gnashing of teeth.

P.S.- To focus an entire newspaper article about the comment of one fan in an arena that seats 17,700 shows the author needs to get a life. News flash, a crowd of 17,700 WILL have at least one idiot in it.

(03-09-2018 12:40 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  I didn't click on the link ... but I assume the writer is totally cool with the academic fraud perpetuated by UNC for the better part of 2 decades ??

"Here's a bad situation, let me make it worse with total conjecture..."

(03-09-2018 12:40 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  Just because the NCAA has no balls, doesn't mean that what went down is acceptable.

Your anger is properly directed here.

(03-09-2018 12:40 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  Using young athletes, many of whom are black, and NOT giving them the education they were promised when they signed on to play for UNC.

Maybe the writer pines for the days of segregated water fountains too.

Woah there. First off, academics is a two way street. You have to choose the major too. You mean to tell me elite level future 1st round picks know they're about to collect a payday and don't give two flying ****s about academics? I'M SHOCKED. SHOCKED I TELL YOU!

The second part? JFC are you digging through the dumpster of the DNC looking for talking point memos?