Because the left will inevitably use it for confiscation..

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles...inois.html

Quote:The Illinois House has passed legislation requiring 18- to 20-year-olds to give up certain legally purchased and legally owned firearms:

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Gun confiscation is here. First they will come for the young, who can go to war with guns but can no longer go hunting with them or protect their families. If you are a 20-year-old single mom with a restraining order against a violent ex-boyfriend, well, you'll just have to trust your life to 911 as your door is being kicked in. Meanwhile, the government wants you to give it your guns

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"Passing a law that makes it illegal for a 20-year-old to purchase a shotgun for hunting or adult single mother from purchasing the most effective self-defense rifle on the market punishes law-abiding citizens for the evil acts of criminals," an NRA spokesman told the Hill.

An armed citizenry is needed (and constitutional) to keep the federal government in check.

When that government which is supposed to be kept in check is trying to disarm citizens, then I think we see a prime example of exactly what the Founders intended.

From a strictly purist ideological point of view, I oppose gun registration, but I understand the reasoning behind basic registration laws and have accepted it as something that is not likely to go away. We have to register for all sorts of things, so fighting basic registration is likely to be a losing battle, even if I agree in principle. Registration serving as an aid in law enforcement is probably enough argument to retain it. That said, government confiscation of legally obtained and owned weapons should be fought vigorously and in court. I don't own any weapons -- I don't hunt and don't feel I need one for protection. I have looked into getting one recently though, for my wife to carry in her purse and for the danged snake and skunks that frequently come into my yard. Fortunately, I live in Mississippi, where an idiotic law like this has no chance of passage. But if there was a hint that one would pass, I would create a *%^@& armory, because someone's motives are suspect.

5% of New Yorkers registered under the SAFE Act. In Texas, it would probably be at or around ~0%. All registration would do is turn 100,000,000 otherwise law abiding citizens into criminals.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...weapons-re

(03-10-2018 01:37 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  Because the left will inevitably use it for confiscation..

Yep, and guess what UBC (universal background checks) doesn't work without? Registration.

Remember that next time they refer to UBC as "common sense" gun control. It's actually step 1 to confiscation.

(03-10-2018 02:22 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  An armed citizenry is needed (and constitutional) to keep the federal government in check.

When that government which is supposed to be kept in check is trying to disarm citizens, then I think we see a prime example of exactly what the Founders intended.

The government is nothing more than the people we elect. If you fear your government. Then you fear your neighbor. Having a weapon isn't going to make a difference one way of the other. It might get you killed or arrested. But if you truly wanted to make a difference. Then get out and be active in politics. Because that's the only way you will keep the government in check.

(03-10-2018 04:34 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  [quote='umbluegray' pid='15155373' dateline='1520709754']
An armed citizenry is needed (and constitutional) to keep the federal government in check.

When that government which is supposed to be kept in check is trying to disarm citizens, then I think we see a prime example of exactly what the Founders intended.

Quote:The government is nothing more than the people we elect.

Do you have any concept of hoe many people with authority in our government were never elected?

Do you not thing 51% of the electorate could vote to oppress the other 49%?

Quote:If you fear your government. Then you fear your neighbor.

It's not about fearing the government, it's about fearing what the government can become. And if you're a student of history you understand that governments can turn south real fast.

Quote:Having a weapon isn't going to make a difference one way of the other.

*ME* having a weapon won't make a difference.... 150,000,000 people armed could make a difference.

(03-10-2018 04:34 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 02:22 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  An armed citizenry is needed (and constitutional) to keep the federal government in check.

When that government which is supposed to be kept in check is trying to disarm citizens, then I think we see a prime example of exactly what the Founders intended.

The government is nothing more than the people we elect. If you fear your government. Then you fear your neighbor. Having a weapon isn't going to make a difference one way of the other. It might get you killed or arrested. But if you truly wanted to make a difference. Then get out and be active in politics. Because that's the only way you will keep the government in check.

Well, there it is folks. All the work of our brilliant founders (despite it's remarkable accuracy) debunked in just a few sentence fragments.

(03-10-2018 04:34 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  The government is nothing more than the people we elect. If you fear your government. Then you fear your neighbor. Having a weapon isn't going to make a difference one way of the other. It might get you killed or arrested. But if you truly wanted to make a difference. Then get out and be active in politics. Because that's the only way you will keep the government in check.

But it's so much easier to be afraid, to hide with your guns and bluster about murdering police and soldiers.

Meanwhile, not a mention on these boards of these three women (plus one fetus), mown down by a lunatic exercising his sacred NRA-protected rights:

(03-10-2018 05:04 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 04:34 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  The government is nothing more than the people we elect. If you fear your government. Then you fear your neighbor. Having a weapon isn't going to make a difference one way of the other. It might get you killed or arrested. But if you truly wanted to make a difference. Then get out and be active in politics. Because that's the only way you will keep the government in check.

But it's so much easier to be afraid, to hide with your guns and bluster about murdering police and soldiers.

Applies to virtually no one so bluster away bub.

(03-10-2018 05:04 PM)58-56 Wrote:  Meanwhile, not a mention on these boards of these three women (plus one fetus), mown down by a lunatic exercising his sacred NRA-protected rights:

Wasn't aware of any sacred protected right to mow down anyone. Clue me in.

(03-10-2018 05:04 PM)58-56 Wrote:  But it's so much easier to be afraid, to hide with your guns and bluster about murdering police and soldiers.

Who in the hell is doing that?

Quote:Meanwhile, not a mention on these boards of these three women (plus one fetus), mown down by a lunatic exercising his sacred NRA-protected rights:

Some of us can chew bubble gum and walk at the same time... You should try it.

(03-10-2018 05:04 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 04:34 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  The government is nothing more than the people we elect. If you fear your government. Then you fear your neighbor. Having a weapon isn't going to make a difference one way of the other. It might get you killed or arrested. But if you truly wanted to make a difference. Then get out and be active in politics. Because that's the only way you will keep the government in check.

But it's so much easier to be afraid, to hide with your guns and bluster about murdering police and soldiers.

Meanwhile, not a mention on these boards of these three women (plus one fetus), mown down by a lunatic exercising his sacred NRA-protected rights:

ummmmmkay.....

you do realize who feeds the trees, eh???

why should I give a shite about your emotions???

there is quite a difference between respect, humility, protecting thine, and just tossing out salad as fodder....

help me out defining why your 'latter in faith' matters.....

trust me when I tell you.........I don't give two shites about pussification.....

y'all git after it.....enjoy that 'bedlam'.......that's why the corral was put in place known as the "great society'.......or have you not figured that shite out yet (rhetorical)....

#line3 ---->>> #line4

Why I oppose gun registration is that there is no indication that it would have prevented any of the shootings that have occurred. The only utility that I see it having is that it sets up a "guilty until proved innocent" situation if somebody breaks into my house and steals one of my guns. And I don't see that as a positive.

No upside. None. Plenty down.

(03-10-2018 05:04 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 04:34 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  The government is nothing more than the people we elect. If you fear your government. Then you fear your neighbor. Having a weapon isn't going to make a difference one way of the other. It might get you killed or arrested. But if you truly wanted to make a difference. Then get out and be active in politics. Because that's the only way you will keep the government in check.

But it's so much easier to be afraid, to hide with your guns and bluster about murdering police and soldiers.

Meanwhile, not a mention on these boards of these three women (plus one fetus), mown down by a lunatic exercising his sacred NRA-protected rights:

Oh... you're counting a fetus as a life now? You can add that to the murder charge once you're ok with telling all those mothers who committed abortions they're murderers as well. I'll wait...

"...exercising his sacred NRA-protected rights" Wait what? Why is the "NRA" the go to bad guy for your selective murder by gun complaints? I don't hear you piling on the NRA when the thugs in Chicago are laying each other out horizontal. I don't hear you calling out Planned Parenthood in such fashion as all the aborting moms silence the life of all those fetuses you selectively cherish.

GTFOH.

(03-10-2018 04:34 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 02:22 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  An armed citizenry is needed (and constitutional) to keep the federal government in check.

When that government which is supposed to be kept in check is trying to disarm citizens, then I think we see a prime example of exactly what the Founders intended.

The government is nothing more than the people we elect. If you fear your government. Then you fear your neighbor. Having a weapon isn't going to make a difference one way of the other. It might get you killed or arrested. But if you truly wanted to make a difference. Then get out and be active in politics. Because that's the only way you will keep the government in check.

Yeah, that's exactly right. The government is nothing more than the people we elect.

Nevermind that judges aren't elected. Nevermind about executive orders. Nevermind about the legislative branch abandoning their function.

Yep. I better keep an eye on my neighbor.

(03-10-2018 05:04 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 04:34 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  The government is nothing more than the people we elect. If you fear your government. Then you fear your neighbor. Having a weapon isn't going to make a difference one way of the other. It might get you killed or arrested. But if you truly wanted to make a difference. Then get out and be active in politics. Because that's the only way you will keep the government in check.

But it's so much easier to be afraid, to hide with your guns and bluster about murdering police and soldiers.

Meanwhile, not a mention on these boards of these three women (plus one fetus), mown down by a lunatic exercising his sacred NRA-protected rights:

How about constitutionally protected right? Oh yeah, no constitutional right to murder people......

Quite frankly, the NRA has little to do with it.

Democrats love to bend the knee