(03-14-2018 08:28 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 06:00 PM)rileylives Wrote:  I wanted to see how a + or - rebounding ratio affected our play/outcome. Because I'm lazy and this took a lot of research, here are our last 10 games...

(Team) (+/- Rebounding) (Rebound Total) (Win/Loss Total)
FAU +5 (47) 11 pt win
@ Rice -1 (36) 13 pt win
@ North Texas -10 (26) 2 pt win
ODU -8 (31) 5 pt loss
Charlotte -6 (35) 28 pt win
@ UAB -18 (31) 14 pt loss
@ Middle Tennessee + 5 (39) 9 pt win

CUSA Tournament
UTSA -6 (37) 14 pt win
Southern Miss + 9 (36) 10 pt win
Western Kentucky -10 (37) 1 pt win

What can we glean from this?

Record With (-) Rebound = 5-2
Average Win = 11 Point Win

Record With (+) Rebound = 3-0
Average Win = 10 Point Win

I thought this would get a take from somebody.

I think it's pretty subjective. Marshall's inability to keep Brandon Stith off the offensive glass in our game at Huntington certainly contributed to that loss. We had well in the double digits on second chance points.

(03-14-2018 08:31 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 08:28 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 06:00 PM)rileylives Wrote:  I wanted to see how a + or - rebounding ratio affected our play/outcome. Because I'm lazy and this took a lot of research, here are our last 10 games...

(Team) (+/- Rebounding) (Rebound Total) (Win/Loss Total)
FAU +5 (47) 11 pt win
@ Rice -1 (36) 13 pt win
@ North Texas -10 (26) 2 pt win
ODU -8 (31) 5 pt loss
Charlotte -6 (35) 28 pt win
@ UAB -18 (31) 14 pt loss
@ Middle Tennessee + 5 (39) 9 pt win

CUSA Tournament
UTSA -6 (37) 14 pt win
Southern Miss + 9 (36) 10 pt win
Western Kentucky -10 (37) 1 pt win

What can we glean from this?

Record With (-) Rebound = 5-2
Average Win = 11 Point Win

Record With (+) Rebound = 3-0
Average Win = 10 Point Win

I thought this would get a take from somebody.

I think it's pretty subjective. Marshall's inability to keep Brandon Stith off the offensive glass in our game at Huntington certainly contributed to that loss. We had well in the double digits on second chance points.

However, in a bubble yes, in that particular game it limited us.

Look at the other outcomes. There are multiple examples where our lack of rebounding didn't affect the outcome.

(03-14-2018 08:43 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 08:31 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 08:28 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 06:00 PM)rileylives Wrote:  I wanted to see how a + or - rebounding ratio affected our play/outcome. Because I'm lazy and this took a lot of research, here are our last 10 games...

(Team) (+/- Rebounding) (Rebound Total) (Win/Loss Total)
FAU +5 (47) 11 pt win
@ Rice -1 (36) 13 pt win
@ North Texas -10 (26) 2 pt win
ODU -8 (31) 5 pt loss
Charlotte -6 (35) 28 pt win
@ UAB -18 (31) 14 pt loss
@ Middle Tennessee + 5 (39) 9 pt win

CUSA Tournament
UTSA -6 (37) 14 pt win
Southern Miss + 9 (36) 10 pt win
Western Kentucky -10 (37) 1 pt win

What can we glean from this?

Record With (-) Rebound = 5-2
Average Win = 11 Point Win

Record With (+) Rebound = 3-0
Average Win = 10 Point Win

I thought this would get a take from somebody.

I think it's pretty subjective. Marshall's inability to keep Brandon Stith off the offensive glass in our game at Huntington certainly contributed to that loss. We had well in the double digits on second chance points.

However, in a bubble yes, in that particular game it limited us.

Look at the other outcomes. There are multiple examples where our lack of rebounding didn't affect the outcome.

If you're giving up a bunch of rebounds that you shouldn't what you're really doing is giving the other team extra opportunities. Now they may or may not be able to take advantage of those opportunities but that's not something that you can control very well.

Its like playing with fire, you might not get burned every time but eventually you will get burned.

(03-14-2018 08:52 AM)Wheatshock Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 08:43 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 08:31 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 08:28 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 06:00 PM)rileylives Wrote:  I wanted to see how a + or - rebounding ratio affected our play/outcome. Because I'm lazy and this took a lot of research, here are our last 10 games...

(Team) (+/- Rebounding) (Rebound Total) (Win/Loss Total)
FAU +5 (47) 11 pt win
@ Rice -1 (36) 13 pt win
@ North Texas -10 (26) 2 pt win
ODU -8 (31) 5 pt loss
Charlotte -6 (35) 28 pt win
@ UAB -18 (31) 14 pt loss
@ Middle Tennessee + 5 (39) 9 pt win

CUSA Tournament
UTSA -6 (37) 14 pt win
Southern Miss + 9 (36) 10 pt win
Western Kentucky -10 (37) 1 pt win

What can we glean from this?

Record With (-) Rebound = 5-2
Average Win = 11 Point Win

Record With (+) Rebound = 3-0
Average Win = 10 Point Win

I thought this would get a take from somebody.

I think it's pretty subjective. Marshall's inability to keep Brandon Stith off the offensive glass in our game at Huntington certainly contributed to that loss. We had well in the double digits on second chance points.

However, in a bubble yes, in that particular game it limited us.

Look at the other outcomes. There are multiple examples where our lack of rebounding didn't affect the outcome.

If you're giving up a bunch of rebounds that you shouldn't what you're really doing is giving the other team extra opportunities. Now they may or may not be able to take advantage of those opportunities but that's not something that you can control very well.

Its like playing with fire, you might not get burned every time but eventually you will get burned.

Oh, absolutely. I'm not blind to the fact that this is a negative. I guess my point is because we play at a higher pace, even with the lack of rebounding, we're still finding ways of winning games.

3 point shooting % is more important than rebounding, IMO. In Norfolk, Marshall shot just 33%, most of which came in the last 10 minutes suring the comeback. They were 2-12 in the first half. In Huntington, they were 30% for the game. If they shoot over 40%, they have a good chance.

WSU at -12 is the biggest of the #4 seeds, FWIW. Arizona vs SUNY-Buffalo is -9.

So if there is a lot of betting it must be at least evenly on WSU because the line hasn't changed much.

Elmore is obviously a good player, but is a 35% three-point shooter really a sharp-shooter? He seems to be a high-volume shooter.

Every player but three on WSU's roster shoots better than that from three. Shamet is 46% from three.

(03-14-2018 08:57 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  3 point shooting % is more important than rebounding, IMO. In Norfolk, Marshall shot just 33%, most of which came in the last 10 minutes suring the comeback. They were 2-12 in the first half. In Huntington, they were 30% for the game. If they shoot over 40%, they have a good chance.

3 point % and shooting % in general is really important if you aren't a good rebounding team. If you have a poor shooting game you stand a good chance of getting run out of the gym. Being a dominant rebounding team gives you a chance to survive those poor shooting games. WSU has 3 wins this year in which we shot less than 30% from 3, we don't get those wins if we don't rebound.

(03-14-2018 09:07 AM)pvtlamb Wrote:  WSU at -12 is the biggest of the #4 seeds, FWIW. Arizona vs SUNY-Buffalo is -9.

So if there is a lot of betting it must be at least evenly on WSU because the line hasn't changed much.

Elmore is obviously a good player, but is a 35% three-point shooter really a sharp-shooter? He seems to be a high-volume shooter.

Every player but three on WSU's roster shoots better than that from three. Shamet is 46% from three.

Yeah, I saw that. You've got some nice efficient shooters. We're definitely a volume shooting team.

Last 10...

We've made 100-259 for an average of 38.6%

Making an average of 10 3's a game.

I agree with the other poster who said we need to do better there. I say if we get it over 43% for the game we've got a chance. We'll certainly take our fair chances here on Friday.

(03-13-2018 08:48 AM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  There is no doubt that the American has 3 fantastic teams this year. This is an amazing year for the conference. But one year does not make you a high major in the mind of most. Have 3 teams like that every year and th
at perception will def change.

This isn't an amazing year for our conference, this is mediocre.
Two of the top 3 programs in our conference didn't make the tournament.
Once they awake (Memphis & Connecticut) we will have an "amazing year".
We have potential to get 5 teams in every other year.

The Shocks will roll.

I've Got Marshall as my upset special in the first round. Let's go Herd!!!

(03-14-2018 09:07 AM)pvtlamb Wrote:  WSU at -12 is the biggest of the #4 seeds, FWIW. Arizona vs SUNY-Buffalo is -9.

So if there is a lot of betting it must be at least evenly on WSU because the line hasn't changed much.

Elmore is obviously a good player, but is a 35% three-point shooter really a sharp-shooter? He seems to be a high-volume shooter.

Every player but three on WSU's roster shoots better than that from three. Shamet is 46% from three.

Elmore had a rough start to the season. Is a good deep ball shooter. He has really come on late in the season. Last 6 games he is 31/64 3 pt field goals for 48.5%. but he is not just a threat outside, he can and does drive the lane, finishes very well and is an excellent FT shooter.

Whats scary is, Burks is due to heat up. If CJ and Jon are both having even pretty good games, and Peneva plays decent, nothing WSU can do IMO.

(03-15-2018 11:27 AM)grapes Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 08:48 AM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  There is no doubt that the American has 3 fantastic teams this year. This is an amazing year for the conference. But one year does not make you a high major in the mind of most. Have 3 teams like that every year and th
at perception will def change.

This isn't an amazing year for our conference, this is mediocre.
Two of the top 3 programs in our conference didn't make the tournament.
Once they awake (Memphis & Connecticut) we will have an "amazing year".
We have potential to get 5 teams in every other year.

The Shocks will roll.

Lolol. And yeah, except usually Houston is trash at basketball, and cincy is not going to be that good year in, year out so you are right back where you started.

Good luck Herd....pulling hard for ya!

I have yall winning two games Marshall.

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We are okay with a negative rebound margin - if we keep it within reason. The overall numbers are skewed because we were negative against Charolotte but blew them out. It looks like if we are better than -7 we do fine, if it's more than that it gets dicey. We had 4 games that met that level and were 2-2 with our wins being by 1 and 2 points.

(03-15-2018 05:52 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 11:27 AM)grapes Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 08:48 AM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  There is no doubt that the American has 3 fantastic teams this year. This is an amazing year for the conference. But one year does not make you a high major in the mind of most. Have 3 teams like that every year and th
at perception will def change.

This isn't an amazing year for our conference, this is mediocre.
Two of the top 3 programs in our conference didn't make the tournament.
Once they awake (Memphis & Connecticut) we will have an "amazing year".
We have potential to get 5 teams in every other year.

The Shocks will roll.

Lolol. And yeah, except usually Houston is trash at basketball, and cincy is not going to be that good year in, year out so you are right back where you started.

No idea who will win the Marshall-WSU game, but I think it's a pretty good bball conference by most measures. Year in and year out, Cincy has been to the tournament 7 straight years. Since the league got going in 2014, it's had anywhere from 2 to 4 bids a year and one NC. Nothing spectacular compared to some conferences, but pretty solid imho.

Good luck Marshall! Hope you shock the Shockers.

The AAC was already a solid basketball conference and it got even better with the addition of Whichita State.

Can't wait for tomorrow and hope its a good game.

(03-15-2018 11:27 AM)grapes Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 08:48 AM)Magic95Fan Wrote:  There is no doubt that the American has 3 fantastic teams this year. This is an amazing year for the conference. But one year does not make you a high major in the mind of most. Have 3 teams like that every year and th
at perception will def change.

This isn't an amazing year for our conference, this is mediocre.
Two of the top 3 programs in our conference didn't make the tournament.
Once they awake (Memphis & Connecticut) we will have an "amazing year".
We have potential to get 5 teams in every other year.

The Shocks will roll.

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You are the most confident poster I have seen from the AAC board. Could Wichita State win going away? Absolutely. To insinuate that a team is good on what they have done in the past is not an absolute. Personally I think WKU, MTSU, ODU, and even Marshall can beat anyone from the AAC this season. Now that could change by next seaon, sure. To call this season a mediocre year for the AAC is arrogant and misguided to say the least.

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