(03-14-2018 11:13 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 10:06 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Two month spin room ban???? I’d bet that

And you'll honor that?

That collusion was knowing committed by trump will be proven to a legal standard by Mueller?

I'll take you up on a two month ban bet.... I mean it could be proven, and I'd be ok with two months away, but I think if after two years it's not there then it's unlikely to be proven.

Give a timeline.

/mod hat

Bets are non moderated enforced.

I am a man of my word. Two month ban bet when Mueller presents his findings if there is no collusion. Hell I think there is now. Ample evidence that the Trump campaign worked with the Russians now.

Exhibit A Roger Stone telling us when Assange was going to dump the Podesta emails......

when do you want to start your ban?

Mueller has to say it???? What are the terms?

(03-14-2018 11:13 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 10:06 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Two month spin room ban???? I’d bet that

And you'll honor that?

That collusion was knowing committed by trump will be proven to a legal standard by Mueller?

I'll take you up on a two month ban bet.... I mean it could be proven, and I'd be ok with two months away, but I think if after two years it's not there then it's unlikely to be proven.

you know that the board liberals cant honor their bets.

(03-14-2018 11:36 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I am a man of my word. Two month ban bet when Mueller presents his findings if there is no collusion. Hell I think there is now. Ample evidence that the Trump campaign worked with the Russians now.

Exhibit A Roger Stone telling us when Assange was going to dump the Podesta emails......

when do you want to start your ban?

Mueller has to say it???? What are the terms?

Watch out Mach, they take these things too far. Are you arguing if Mueller says "DJT did not directly collude" or "DJT was not aware of any collusion by his staff" or "DJTs team did not collude"? or "Collusion cannot be proven at this point"

You might want to spell it out. Because there could be a case where DJTJr gets called out by Mueller for the appearance of collusion and Mueller doesn't charge him (or Trump pardons him) and then says 'See no collusion", and they might take that as the definitive answer here.

Why do you say this UTSA?

Have we bet?

(03-14-2018 11:36 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I am a man of my word. Two month ban bet when Mueller presents his findings if there is no collusion. Hell I think there is now. Ample evidence that the Trump campaign worked with the Russians now.

"proof" that rises to the standard of legally actionable. Not "muh meetings to get dirt" which is standard political fare.

Quote:Exhibit A Roger Stone telling us when Assange was going to dump the Podesta emails......

1) Assange said specifically many times he did not get the podesta emails from russia
2) Even if Assange said "he Roger, I'm going to release these mails" that's not collusion.
3) The evidence that stone knew ahead of time is an anonymous source to the times.

Quote:when do you want to start your ban?

When it's all leaid out that trump himself knew and colluded with Russia, not when the voices in your head scream "buckle up"

Quote:Mueller has to say it???? What are the terms?

Yes Muller has to say he colluded, and here is the smoking gun. And that gun is one where charges can be brought. If that happens I'll take two months off.

If the Muller investigation winds up and collusion *BY TRUMP* is not listed as actionable then you get a two month break.

My grandfather always used to say, don't bet what you can't lose... I make this bet knowing I can lose, but the upside of two months without your paranoid rantings is worth the risk.

I believe that Mueller will show collusion but it's even hard to come up with a bet around it that's why I have read to concentrate on conspiracy. Collusion by nature is hard to prove and what does it even constitute. I know why they want to fight on this "hill" because of that very nature. They are not an honorable adversary. That is why I asked above the terms before I commit. Then I'm called a liar or tarred as being untrustworthy. I'm taking a lot of shots lately. All for the crime of showing evidence of blatant hypocrisy.

I will continue to suffer through the slings and arrows though because I believe without me these people wouldn't hear it. It is a responsibility for me at this point. Although I walk through the valley of the shadow of death kind of thing...... I will fear no evil...... I forgive them for they are ignorant and blind. Hopefully I help out in some small way.

(03-14-2018 12:11 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 11:36 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I am a man of my word. Two month ban bet when Mueller presents his findings if there is no collusion. Hell I think there is now. Ample evidence that the Trump campaign worked with the Russians now.

"proof" that rises to the standard of legally actionable. Not "muh meetings to get dirt" which is standard political fare.

Quote:Exhibit A Roger Stone telling us when Assange was going to dump the Podesta emails......

1) Assange said specifically many times he did not get the podesta emails from russia
2) Even if Assange said "he Roger, I'm going to release these mails" that's not collusion.
3) The evidence that stone knew ahead of time is an anonymous source to the times.

Quote:when do you want to start your ban?

When it's all leaid out that trump himself knew and colluded with Russia, not when the voices in your head scream "buckle up"

Quote:Mueller has to say it???? What are the terms?

Yes Muller has to say he colluded, and here is the smoking gun. And that gun is one where charges can be brought. If that happens I'll take two months off.

If the Muller investigation winds up and collusion *BY TRUMP* is not listed as actionable then you get a two month break.

My grandfather always used to say, don't bet what you can't lose... I make this bet knowing I can lose, but the upside of two months without your paranoid rantings is worth the risk.

What about if Mueller leaves the collusion off the table (but not off the report) so that Trump can be prosecuted after leaving office?

"proof" that rises to the standard of legally actionable. Not "muh meetings to get dirt" which is standard political fare.



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This hogwash right here. They met with spies from a hostile foreign nation. First call by anyone with honor is to the FBI.

Assange said specifically many times he did not get the podesta emails from russia

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You know I suspected Jimmy Smith stole my bicycle in 4th grade when he came to school with one that was identical to mine but was spray painted. Thank God i didn't listen to him specifically telling me many times it was not my bike. Called the police and wouldn't you know. The serial number of that Schwinn bicycle matched the records of the cycle shop to the one my uncle bought. Who would have thunk that? He specifically told me that it wasn't my bike many times...................

Be smarter than a 4th grader B I B

(03-14-2018 12:16 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I believe that Mueller will show collusion but it's even hard to come up with a bet around it that's why I have read to concentrate on conspiracy. Collusion by nature is hard to prove and what does it even constitute.

Is that you backing out of our bet... That trump himself will/will not have been proven to have colluded with the Russians to such a degree that legal charges can be levied

(03-14-2018 12:17 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  What about if Mueller leaves the collusion off the table (but not off the report) so that Trump can be prosecuted after leaving office?

Tell ya what... If the investigation ends without charges Mach takes two months off...

If then when Trump leaves office in 2025, he is charged, I will take four months off.

(03-14-2018 12:23 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Assange said specifically many times he did not get the podesta emails from russia

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You know I suspected Jimmy Smith stole my bicycle in 4th grade when he came to school with one that was identical to mine but was spray painted. Thank God i didn't listen to him specifically telling me many times it was not my bike. Called the police and wouldn't you know. The serial number of that Schwinn bicycle matched the records of the cycle shop to the one my uncle bought. Who would have thunk that? He specifically told me that it wasn't my bike many times...................

Be smarter than a 4th grader B I B

Assange is a lot of things, a lot of bad things, but a liar is not one of them.

That's a tough one Bull...................... I honestly don't know if he will.......................... Specifically Trump or his campaign. Does the buck stop here with the Orange haired one? I honestly don't know......

and I'm not backing out of any bet numb nutz because I haven't made one..............

to back out you first have to engage....




btw Numb Nutz was a term of endearment in my household when somebody did something stupid..... Like why did you hit your thumb with that hammer numb nutz........ I hope no offense is taken. It's an endearing way to say you are acting stupid without going right out and calling you stupid.......

(03-14-2018 10:00 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Just for clarity. Since November 2016 how Trump should be impeached/removed from office:

Recount
Change Electoral votes
Enoulment
25th amendment for mental illness
Dossier claiming Trump can be blackmailed
Collusion
Money laundering
Porn star
Unpresidential
Obstruction
Conspiracy

Did I miss anything?

Cause he won the election?


I’m sure there’s another dozen or so, maybe ask Mach. He can check up at Salon or Yahoo and see.

(03-14-2018 12:27 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  That's a tough one Bull...................... I honestly don't know if he will.......................... Specifically Trump or his campaign. Does the buck stop here with the Orange haired one? I honestly don't know......

I would go so far as to say Trump himself colluded or directed other to do it on his behalf.

Look, are you going to take the bet or not?

You see what you are doing? You are making me fight on your turf. I want to fight on conspiracy and obstruction of justice.

I honestly don't know. Trump had too much time to destroy evidence. I am actually flabergasted the details of Manafort and Trump Jr. Trump Tower meeting came out. The dypshyts put that into emails????????? Rookie hour there. Putin is no rookie. He's either killed the people with evidence or trashed it.

I'm inclined to say no bet at this time.

I'll give you a one week ban bet. Would that make my little Trumpster happy? One week ban bet on Trump being brought up on collusion charges.

(03-14-2018 10:37 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Former Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about talking in April 2016 to a professor with close ties to the Kremlin who told Papadopoulos that Moscow had "dirt" on Hillary Clinton. The professor told him about thousands of emails the Russians had from the Clinton campaign.

— Donald Trump Jr., Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner, and former campaign chairman Paul Manafort met with a Russian attorney at Trump Tower in June 2016 after being promised "dirt" on Clinton. The campaign later communicated to meeting organizers that they were disappointed they didn't get what they were promised.

— In July 2017, the president and White House advisers put together a misleading statement about the nature of the Trump Tower meeting, saying that it was for the purpose of discussing Russian adoptions.

— The Trump campaign knew through Papadopoulos that the Russians had obtained thousands of emails from the Clinton campaign. Then-candidate Trump publicly asked the Russians in July 2016 to hack Clinton and find her "30,000 emails that are missing" from the personal email server she used while secretary of State. WikiLeaks began posting emails from the Clinton campaign in October, just weeks before the November election.

— Former White House national security adviser Michael Flynn held secret conversations with Russian officials in December 2016 during the presidential transition period, promising to undermine sanctions imposed against Russia by the Obama administration for meddling in the U.S. election. Flynn pleaded guilty late last year to lying to the FBI about those conversations.



This is all evidence of active Russian Trump campaign collusion.

—- A dude running his yap while drunk in a bar. Can’t believe that’s even truly prosecutable.

—- They readily said the 20 minute meeting was useless and produced nothing. So, what’s the crime?

—- source for it being made up, specifically POTUS involvement if the statement was made up at all?

—- never asked the Russians to hack anything.
Said “I hope you have them or can find them”, as a private citizen giving speech. You gonna arrest Maher or even your gal for making spontaneous rather silly, stupid comments in public? Cmon.

—- As did the incoming zerO admin before him, Bush admin before him and probably every Admin going back to 1942. Would have been derelict as incoming Natl security adviser to not have done so.
Bueller was threatening his Son and told him he would drag out a trial for years, likely bankrupting him and he already had to sell a home he had for legal fees. He “lied” about a time or date, as well as to Pence and was promptly fired. He was in the job 2 1/2 weeks...

One of you actual lawyers chime in here. Any of you see illegal Russian Trump campaign collusion?

Asking for a friend.