(03-14-2018 12:00 PM)KenneySense Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 11:14 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  Some question whether we should have just stayed int he dome and built and IPF/athletics center instead of a significantly reduced stadium.

Certainly wish Temple people would see this sentence. It is virtually unfathomable to me people would prefer to play in Yulman as opposed to Lincoln Financial Field. Sadly, many, many Temple people think they will be getting a miniature Linc when all the evidence coupled with the lack of space, money, zoning considerations and infrastructure points to a facility which will be exactly like Yulman. Of course, this is the very same fanbase who sat on their thumbs collecting a yearly stipend while the Big East warned them repeatedly they were not fulfilling their conference obligations.

Frankly, its a very dumb fanbase, maybe the least intelligent in North America...

Kenny, I like your style and courage. You are a survivor on a board that’s quick to ban.

(03-14-2018 12:00 PM)KenneySense Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 11:14 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  Some question whether we should have just stayed int he dome and built and IPF/athletics center instead of a significantly reduced stadium.

Certainly wish Temple people would see this sentence. It is virtually unfathomable to me people would prefer to play in Yulman as opposed to Lincoln Financial Field. Sadly, many, many Temple people think they will be getting a miniature Linc when all the evidence coupled with the lack of space, money, zoning considerations and infrastructure points to a facility which will be exactly like Yulman. Of course, this is the very same fanbase who sat on their thumbs collecting a yearly stipend while the Big East warned them repeatedly they were not fulfilling their conference obligations.

Frankly, its a very dumb fanbase, maybe the least intelligent in North America...

Oh, aren't you a peach.

(03-14-2018 11:14 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 10:30 PM)vcoog Wrote:  If I remember correctly Tulane had issues like this since theirs is in the middle of an established neighborhood- what did they do differently

Tulane is in a more traditional neighborhood and not very urban, unlike Temple. Tulane is located in perhaps the most expensive area of New Orleans, so the neighbors did have significant political clout. At the start, the plan was to build a legit D1 stadium capable of further expansion. After the Nimby's got a hold of the project, it was significantly scaled back. There was a fight at the city council and basically Tulane had to draw back the capacity and height of the stadium to get it done. Some question whether we should have just stayed int he dome and built and IPF/athletics center instead of a significantly reduced stadium.

Tulane didn't need to get any waivers on zoning, request street closures, etc. Everything was being done within the 'rules.' The only reason that the city council became involved is because the neighbors got their council person to try to slow down and stop the process with a zoning procedure. While that passed the council, the mayor vetoed it and the votes to override weren't there. Tulane also filed a lawsuit against the City of New Orleans, but that became moot.

Personally, I like the final product better than the original Yulman design. (Is this where I throw in that I'm an Architect.) For one, the original design had an 'in-stadium' concourse that split the seating area into two, like Turchin, which I don't like. I think that you overestimate the differences in capacity between the original and final designs. The biggest loss in capacity resulted from the location of the pressbox, which had nothing to do with the neighbors. At any rate, the stadium can be expanded if needed, but so far the need hasn't materialized. Playing in the Superdome was a mistake that began when I was a student, and if we were still playing there, I probably wouldn't be attending games anymore.

(03-14-2018 12:10 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 12:00 PM)KenneySense Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 11:14 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  Some question whether we should have just stayed int he dome and built and IPF/athletics center instead of a significantly reduced stadium.

Certainly wish Temple people would see this sentence. It is virtually unfathomable to me people would prefer to play in Yulman as opposed to Lincoln Financial Field. Sadly, many, many Temple people think they will be getting a miniature Linc when all the evidence coupled with the lack of space, money, zoning considerations and infrastructure points to a facility which will be exactly like Yulman. Of course, this is the very same fanbase who sat on their thumbs collecting a yearly stipend while the Big East warned them repeatedly they were not fulfilling their conference obligations.

Frankly, its a very dumb fanbase, maybe the least intelligent in North America...

Kenny, I like your style and courage. You are a survivor on a board that’s quick to ban.

He says ‘it is unfathomable that Temple fans would rather play in Yulman than the Linc’ . Mr. Sense, I do not believe there is a serious proposal for the Owls to play at Yulman. It would probably negate any home field advantage we have, and flying to both home and away games would be hard. It probably makes more Sense for Temple to play at UConns or Navys stadium. But I will defer to your wisdom that the choice is between Yulman and the Linc since apparently I’m part of the least intelligent fan base.

(03-14-2018 12:27 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 12:10 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 12:00 PM)KenneySense Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 11:14 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  Some question whether we should have just stayed int he dome and built and IPF/athletics center instead of a significantly reduced stadium.

Certainly wish Temple people would see this sentence. It is virtually unfathomable to me people would prefer to play in Yulman as opposed to Lincoln Financial Field. Sadly, many, many Temple people think they will be getting a miniature Linc when all the evidence coupled with the lack of space, money, zoning considerations and infrastructure points to a facility which will be exactly like Yulman. Of course, this is the very same fanbase who sat on their thumbs collecting a yearly stipend while the Big East warned them repeatedly they were not fulfilling their conference obligations.

Frankly, its a very dumb fanbase, maybe the least intelligent in North America...

Kenny, I like your style and courage. You are a survivor on a board that’s quick to ban.

He says ‘it is unfathomable that Temple fans would rather play in Yulman than the Linc’ . Mr. Sense, I do not believe there is a serious proposal for the Owls to play at Yulman. It would probably negate any home field advantage we have, and flying to both home and away games would be hard. It probably makes more Sense for Temple to play at UConns or Navys stadium. But I will defer to your wisdom that the choice is between Yulman and the Linc since apparently I’m part of the least intelligent fan base.

I was thinking that there had to be some available land between south Louisiana and eastern Pennsylvania . .

Appreciate the words, billybob. Obviously, there are WSU and UCF fans that dont like my perspective or counter opinion but, I break no rules. There is a mod who periodically removes my posts simply because I provide insight and perspective which doesn't fit his narrative. I suspect it's one of the ninnies who has spent time repeatedly giving my negative reviews, as if that accomplishes anything other than wasting his time.

With respect to Temple's OCS, people have been providing misinformation for 4-5 years on this "project." I can assure you, Temple has no interest in building outside the city or moving into Franklin Field. The OP has been guessing on Temple issues for years. He has absolutely no inside information, you can read his history, its been historically and completely inaccurate.

(03-13-2018 05:35 PM)Philly Brian Wrote:  https://temple-news.com/city-council-pre...t-stadium/

Any projects in Philly require the approval of the local council person. Temple's council person is also president of the city council. The protestors have convinced him to not allow Temple to have this stadium as of now.
However the statement seems to indicate that it unlikely but possible that this could change.
Temple's dream of a stadium is in serious trouble.

I see several options:

Continue to play at the Linc which is far from campus and only 1/3 full for most games. This will cost Temple $4 million per year just to play 6 or so games there.

Temple could play across town at UPenn's Franklin Field. This is an aging uncomfortable stadium. Attendance will be bad here.

I personally would like to see Temple threaten or investigate building a stadiium outside of the city. The Sixers just moved their offices and practice facility across the river to NJ due to city politics.

Jesus. The group has a name? And it's "Stadium Stompers"???? So it looks like their only complaint is that a street will be closed. Can it be...re-routed? I'm not a doctor or anything...

Bigger picture, you're filling up 1/3 of the Linc (25k-ish?). How sure are you that the 35k stadium will fill up? Are your alumni that would buy the tickets closer to where the Linc is or the campus? They are the ones buying tickets.

(03-14-2018 12:47 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 05:35 PM)Philly Brian Wrote:  https://temple-news.com/city-council-pre...t-stadium/

Any projects in Philly require the approval of the local council person. Temple's council person is also president of the city council. The protestors have convinced him to not allow Temple to have this stadium as of now.
However the statement seems to indicate that it unlikely but possible that this could change.
Temple's dream of a stadium is in serious trouble.

I see several options:

Continue to play at the Linc which is far from campus and only 1/3 full for most games. This will cost Temple $4 million per year just to play 6 or so games there.

Temple could play across town at UPenn's Franklin Field. This is an aging uncomfortable stadium. Attendance will be bad here.

I personally would like to see Temple threaten or investigate building a stadiium outside of the city. The Sixers just moved their offices and practice facility across the river to NJ due to city politics.

Jesus. The group has a name? And it's "Stadium Stompers"???? So it looks like their only complaint is that a street will be closed. Can it be...re-routed? I'm not a doctor or anything...

Bigger picture, you're filling up 1/3 of the Linc (25k-ish?). How sure are you that the 35k stadium will fill up? Are your alumni that would buy the tickets closer to where the Linc is or the campus? They are the ones buying tickets.

I think there is a real possibility that we will lose some fans short term. The Linc is much easier to drive to than Temples campus, and offers acres of parking making tailgating easier. Public transportation is better for Temple. That being said, my belief is that a major goal of an on campus stadium is to build future fans from current students by enhancing the campus experience with football. Temple recently built on campus soccer/lacrosse/field hockey which has improved attendance and performance. As for street closing, a two block section of 15th street would be closed, entirely within Temples campus. And to reiterate the new stadium would be entirely within our campus; no residents or businesses would be moved.

(03-14-2018 12:08 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 06:09 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 05:35 PM)Philly Brian Wrote:  https://temple-news.com/city-council-pre...t-stadium/

Any projects in Philly require the approval of the local council person. Temple's council person is also president of the city council. The protestors have convinced him to not allow Temple to have this stadium as of now.
However the statement seems to indicate that it unlikely but possible that this could change.
Temple's dream of a stadium is in serious trouble.

I see several options:

Continue to play at the Linc which is far from campus and only 1/3 full for most games. This will cost Temple $4 million per year just to play 6 or so games there.

Temple could play across town at UPenn's Franklin Field. This is an aging uncomfortable stadium. Attendance will be bad here.

I personally would like to see Temple threaten or investigate building a stadiium outside of the city. The Sixers just moved their offices and practice facility across the river to NJ due to city politics.

Sounds like the deal is dead.... Philadelphia sucks as a city.


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Deal is dead. Not that the deal was ever really alive except on here. I read a lot of wishing and hoping though..
If wishes and hopes were cans of nuts or some such

It is? See, big city folk have to deal with machine politics. The unions have to get greased, opposition groups, the mayor and the city council clown who represents this district, Darrell Clarke.

John Street pulled the same **** when the LC was being built and now he's a goddamned professor at Temple.

Temple doesnt even a few million dollars to buy themselves out of Fran Dunphy's contract yet the few hundred people who actually want this stadium think they have the money to buy a stadium with retail space, classrooms, a conference center AND the money to grease palms across the city and state in a location where Unions siphon some of the highest construction costs in the country........like I said, D-U-M-B.

(03-13-2018 09:16 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 09:14 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 05:35 PM)Philly Brian Wrote:  https://temple-news.com/city-council-pre...t-stadium/

Any projects in Philly require the approval of the local council person. Temple's council person is also president of the city council. The protestors have convinced him to not allow Temple to have this stadium as of now.
However the statement seems to indicate that it unlikely but possible that this could change.
Temple's dream of a stadium is in serious trouble.

I see several options:

Continue to play at the Linc which is far from campus and only 1/3 full for most games. This will cost Temple $4 million per year just to play 6 or so games there.

Temple could play across town at UPenn's Franklin Field. This is an aging uncomfortable stadium. Attendance will be bad here.

I personally would like to see Temple threaten or investigate building a stadiium outside of the city. The Sixers just moved their offices and practice facility across the river to NJ due to city politics.

"A spokesperson for City Council President Darrell Clarke said on Monday that Clarke will not currently support “any City approvals for the stadium.”"

The operative word is 'currently'.

The deals for the neighborhood have yet to be completed.

That's code for, "grease my palm"....sickening....as I said above, no wonder Mr. You know who got elected (and won Penn no less).

Is "Mr. You Know Who" code for our current President? The guy who makes shiit happen...

(03-14-2018 12:25 PM)TU77CAL82 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 11:14 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 10:30 PM)vcoog Wrote:  If I remember correctly Tulane had issues like this since theirs is in the middle of an established neighborhood- what did they do differently

Tulane is in a more traditional neighborhood and not very urban, unlike Temple. Tulane is located in perhaps the most expensive area of New Orleans, so the neighbors did have significant political clout. At the start, the plan was to build a legit D1 stadium capable of further expansion. After the Nimby's got a hold of the project, it was significantly scaled back. There was a fight at the city council and basically Tulane had to draw back the capacity and height of the stadium to get it done. Some question whether we should have just stayed int he dome and built and IPF/athletics center instead of a significantly reduced stadium.

Tulane didn't need to get any waivers on zoning, request street closures, etc. Everything was being done within the 'rules.' The only reason that the city council became involved is because the neighbors got their council person to try to slow down and stop the process with a zoning procedure. While that passed the council, the mayor vetoed it and the votes to override weren't there. Tulane also filed a lawsuit against the City of New Orleans, but that became moot.

Personally, I like the final product better than the original Yulman design. (Is this where I throw in that I'm an Architect.) For one, the original design had an 'in-stadium' concourse that split the seating area into two, like Turchin, which I don't like. I think that you overestimate the differences in capacity between the original and final designs. The biggest loss in capacity resulted from the location of the pressbox, which had nothing to do with the neighbors. At any rate, the stadium can be expanded if needed, but so far the need hasn't materialized. Playing in the Superdome was a mistake that began when I was a student, and if we were still playing there, I probably wouldn't be attending games anymore.

I respectfully disagree. The capacity is around 23k and there is ample evidence to support that POV. The seats are super tight and they faked it by making an entire side of the stadium into club seats that are empty and ugly on TV. Tulane never seems to do things right. Either build a legit 30k seat stadium (expandable to 50k) with legit press boxes and traditional luxury seating, or don;t do it at all. Yulman is a $50mm paperweight right now and may have actually hurt or far flung chances at a B12/ACC invite. I was a big supporter of playing FBall on campus, but my thoughts have changed since seeing the final product.

Dumb is staying in a situation where you have to pay $3mill/year to a landlord and a rehab fee of what, $10+mill? That would be with no concession or parking fees. The only recourse for Temple is to build their own stadium. As one of the stadium stompers correctly said as well as the mayor, the Eagles and the owner are responsible for this. An owner who, by the way, took taxpayer money to fund part of the construction cost at the Linc

I will agree that building outside of the state or playing a Franklin Field is a non starter. If they don't build the on campus stadium then just drop the program.

(03-14-2018 12:25 PM)TU77CAL82 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 11:14 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 10:30 PM)vcoog Wrote:  If I remember correctly Tulane had issues like this since theirs is in the middle of an established neighborhood- what did they do differently

Tulane is in a more traditional neighborhood and not very urban, unlike Temple. Tulane is located in perhaps the most expensive area of New Orleans, so the neighbors did have significant political clout. At the start, the plan was to build a legit D1 stadium capable of further expansion. After the Nimby's got a hold of the project, it was significantly scaled back. There was a fight at the city council and basically Tulane had to draw back the capacity and height of the stadium to get it done. Some question whether we should have just stayed int he dome and built and IPF/athletics center instead of a significantly reduced stadium.

Tulane didn't need to get any waivers on zoning, request street closures, etc. Everything was being done within the 'rules.' The only reason that the city council became involved is because the neighbors got their council person to try to slow down and stop the process with a zoning procedure. While that passed the council, the mayor vetoed it and the votes to override weren't there. Tulane also filed a lawsuit against the City of New Orleans, but that became moot.

Personally, I like the final product better than the original Yulman design. (Is this where I throw in that I'm an Architect.) For one, the original design had an 'in-stadium' concourse that split the seating area into two, like Turchin, which I don't like. I think that you overestimate the differences in capacity between the original and final designs. The biggest loss in capacity resulted from the location of the pressbox, which had nothing to do with the neighbors. At any rate, the stadium can be expanded if needed, but so far the need hasn't materialized. Playing in the Superdome was a mistake that began when I was a student, and if we were still playing there, I probably wouldn't be attending games anymore.

Yulman is really nice imo and the gameday experience is really pleasant. Looks like college football not semi pro. Looks like it would really be easy to expand. Getting alums back on campus is the main thing. Tulane puts money in smart places, the new business school is world class.

Temple has never paid 3 million a year and isnt now or for the next two years of an extended lease signed at Temple's request.

Temple has not attempted to negotiate a long term lease because they want to build a stadium and use the fabricated figures presented by its since fired President to provide that rationale.

Temple isnt building a single extra parking space to accommodate 30,000 people on campus (for the 1st game anyway.) There are 11,000 dedicated parking spaces for football at the Linc. Temple's plans call for 0 and a free for all for available parking not used by students, employees and residents currently.

If Temple and city leaders cant resolve a lease playing in a vacant stadium on saturdays built in part with taxpayer monies, they should all be led to the top of City Hall and thrown off William Penn's hat......but they dont want to do that. There's some rubles to made by developers, pols and Temple's BoT's so you just continue to play the role of village idiot and accept Yulman II will be a great success at 15th and Norris.

(03-14-2018 03:22 PM)KenneySense Wrote:  Temple has never paid 3 million a year and isnt now or for the next two years of an extended lease signed at Temple's request.

Temple has not attempted to negotiate a long term lease because they want to build a stadium and use the fabricated figures presented by its since fired President to provide that rationale.

Temple isnt building a single extra parking space to accommodate 30,000 people on campus (for the 1st game anyway.) There are 11,000 dedicated parking spaces for football at the Linc. Temple's plans call for 0 and a free for all for available parking not used by students, employees and residents currently.

If Temple and city leaders cant resolve a lease playing in a vacant stadium on saturdays built in part with taxpayer monies, they should all be led to the top of City Hall and thrown off William Penn's hat......but they dont want to do that. There's some rubles to made by developers, pols and Temple's BoT's so you just continue to play the role of village idiot and accept Yulman II will be a great success at 15th and Norris.

The $3mill number is the number that's out there and is the most accepted in addition to the rehab fee of over $10mill. The fact of the matter is that the Eagles don't want Temple to play in their stadium and the Eagles never denied the figure just that Temple hasn't come to them to negotiate a new lease. Do you blame them?

The only other option would be where the soccer team plays in Chester which I think holds about $25k. Remember the last time that idea was floated? Villanova's third rate football program tried to pitch that to the old Big East and it single handedly broke it up. At least Temple could sell that stadium out but as stated, that idea is not an option.

Of course, you didn't get my point about parking so I'll try to write in a manner that even my 10 year old would understand. Temple, at this point, gets zero, nada, nothing for parking fees. Let's say Temple has 3,500 parking spots available. Those spots would be at a premium and Temple would take advantage of that by charging premium pricing. For arguments sake, let's say they charged $50 (probably more, I know) a spot for 3,500 spots. That would equate to $175,000/game or $1.05mill per year. That's money Temple is currently not getting. Same for concessions, same for naming rights, etc. Now, the great thing about Philly and where Temple is located is that they have subway, bus and regional rail line access. Less parking? Yes but better and more public transportation options currently than the Linc provides.

As far as I've read, Temple isn't relying on public money. It's a combination of private donations and debt financing of which most will be covered by whatever the Eagles would hike their rent up to in 2021. So what's the problem? Do you live in North Philadelphia? I doubt it but please correct me if I'm wrong. I know you're not a Temple fan because you called all of them dumb. I'm just curious to know what your motivation is other than trolling the Temple fan base.

Let them build their stadium and if they fall flat on their face and they're stuck with debt financing and have to drop their program then you can come back here and say I told you so all without any money coming out of your pocket. But I doubt that will happen.

I'm sure most Temple fans will enjoy having their own stadium even with none of the amenities that the Linc provides.

(03-14-2018 04:32 PM)thefinglonger Wrote:  The $3mill number is the number that's out there and is the most accepted in addition to the rehab fee of over $10mill. The fact of the matter is that the Eagles don't want Temple to play in their stadium and the Eagles never denied the figure just that Temple hasn't come to them to negotiate a new lease. Do you blame them?

The "number" is no longer "out there" because it was never true in the first place. The former President, seperated from Temple for finagling numbers, wanted to desperately to build a stadium he used this figure as the priority basis to build the stadium, suggesting the Eagles were extorting Temple. Uninformed people like yourself have clung to that notion and use it, just as you did here, for the basis of the argument to build.

Current President Englert walked that notion back completely. In fact, he doesn't even mention it in his rationale to build, presented just this month and attached here.

https://news.temple.edu/news/2018-01-18/...c-facility

$50 a game to park? This is a fanbase that wont spend $150 for season tickets which included home games against Penn State and Notre Dame, you think they will pay $50 to park to see Bucknell in 2021?

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(03-14-2018 04:57 PM)KenneySense Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:32 PM)thefinglonger Wrote:  The $3mill number is the number that's out there and is the most accepted in addition to the rehab fee of over $10mill. The fact of the matter is that the Eagles don't want Temple to play in their stadium and the Eagles never denied the figure just that Temple hasn't come to them to negotiate a new lease. Do you blame them?

The "number" is no longer "out there" because it was never true in the first place. The former President, seperated from Temple for finagling numbers, wanted to desperately to build a stadium he used this figure as the priority basis to build the stadium, suggesting the Eagles were extorting Temple. Uninformed people like yourself have clung to that notion and use it, just as you did here, for the basis of the argument to build.

Current President Englert walked that notion back completely. In fact, he doesn't even mention it in his rationale to build, presented just this month and attached here.

https://news.temple.edu/news/2018-01-18/...c-facility

$50 a game to park? This is a fanbase that wont spend $150 for season tickets which included home games against Penn State and Notre Dame, you think they will pay $50 to park to see Bucknell in 2021?

D
U
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B.....as it gets

...and the new president had/has the ability to end the project but yet he persists. I wonder why? From the article you linked:

"The university's review process concluded that a new multipurpose facility, estimated to cost $130 million, will generate significant cost reductions and revenue enhancements as compared to Temple's continuing to play at Lincoln Financial Field."

The above review has nothing to do with the former president and his number "finagling" but nice try.

As for parking, the Eagles are charging $40 dollars to park now, of course they will pay $50. For the third time, Temple gets nothing for parking as it stands right now. Basic math says that 11,000 parking spots x $0 equals ZERO to Temple. Even if Temple charges $25/spot which is substantially lower than what the Eagles ask, it's money coming into the coffers that isn't there now. Please tell me I won't have to explain this to you again.

My guess is that you ultimately see Temple (in conjunction with building the stadium) surpassing whatever school you went to or support and it makes you feel bad inside. It's a real shame and rather pathetic.

(03-14-2018 12:47 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 05:35 PM)Philly Brian Wrote:  https://temple-news.com/city-council-pre...t-stadium/

Any projects in Philly require the approval of the local council person. Temple's council person is also president of the city council. The protestors have convinced him to not allow Temple to have this stadium as of now.
However the statement seems to indicate that it unlikely but possible that this could change.
Temple's dream of a stadium is in serious trouble.

I see several options:

Continue to play at the Linc which is far from campus and only 1/3 full for most games. This will cost Temple $4 million per year just to play 6 or so games there.

Temple could play across town at UPenn's Franklin Field. This is an aging uncomfortable stadium. Attendance will be bad here.

I personally would like to see Temple threaten or investigate building a stadiium outside of the city. The Sixers just moved their offices and practice facility across the river to NJ due to city politics.

Jesus. The group has a name? And it's "Stadium Stompers"???? So it looks like their only complaint is that a street will be closed. Can it be...re-routed? I'm not a doctor or anything...

Bigger picture, you're filling up 1/3 of the Linc (25k-ish?). How sure are you that the 35k stadium will fill up? Are your alumni that would buy the tickets closer to where the Linc is or the campus? They are the ones buying tickets.

To my knowledge no one has ever surveyed the paying customers. You would think that would be job 1.

(03-14-2018 05:47 PM)thefinglonger Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:57 PM)KenneySense Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:32 PM)thefinglonger Wrote:  The $3mill number is the number that's out there and is the most accepted in addition to the rehab fee of over $10mill. The fact of the matter is that the Eagles don't want Temple to play in their stadium and the Eagles never denied the figure just that Temple hasn't come to them to negotiate a new lease. Do you blame them?

The "number" is no longer "out there" because it was never true in the first place. The former President, seperated from Temple for finagling numbers, wanted to desperately to build a stadium he used this figure as the priority basis to build the stadium, suggesting the Eagles were extorting Temple. Uninformed people like yourself have clung to that notion and use it, just as you did here, for the basis of the argument to build.

Current President Englert walked that notion back completely. In fact, he doesn't even mention it in his rationale to build, presented just this month and attached here.

https://news.temple.edu/news/2018-01-18/...c-facility

$50 a game to park? This is a fanbase that wont spend $150 for season tickets which included home games against Penn State and Notre Dame, you think they will pay $50 to park to see Bucknell in 2021?

D
U
M
B.....as it gets

...and the new president had/has the ability to end the project but yet he persists. I wonder why? From the article you linked:

"The university's review process concluded that a new multipurpose facility, estimated to cost $130 million, will generate significant cost reductions and revenue enhancements as compared to Temple's continuing to play at Lincoln Financial Field."

The above review has nothing to do with the former president and his number "finagling" but nice try.

As for parking, the Eagles are charging $40 dollars to park now, of course they will pay $50. For the third time, Temple gets nothing for parking as it stands right now. Basic math says that 11,000 parking spots x $0 equals ZERO to Temple. Even if Temple charges $25/spot which is substantially lower than what the Eagles ask, it's money coming into the coffers that isn't there now. Please tell me I won't have to explain this to you again.

My guess is that you ultimately see Temple (in conjunction with building the stadium) surpassing whatever school you went to or support and it makes you feel bad inside. It's a real shame and rather pathetic.

Unfortunately my suspicion is that Kenney is actually a Temple fan, an angry bitter person who loves to bash his fellow fans because of some weird personal defect. Or a nova fan, who knows?