Quote:The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, has subpoenaed the Trump Organization to turn over documents, including some related to Russia, according to two people briefed on the matter. It is the first known instance of the special counsel demanding documents directly related to President Trump’s businesses, bringing the investigation closer to the president.

The breadth of the subpoena was not clear, nor was it clear why Mr. Mueller issued it instead of simply asking for the documents from the company, an umbrella organization that oversees Mr. Trump’s business ventures. In the subpoena, delivered in recent weeks, Mr. Mueller ordered the Trump Organization to hand over all documents related to Russia and other topics he is investigating, the people said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/15/us/po...ussia.html

Precedent has been set however, they only have to hand over about half of the documents - and can exclude any that could be incriminating or damaging .... you know like the "lost emails"

The IG report must be really bad.

(03-15-2018 01:51 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Precedent has been set however, they only have to hand over about half of the documents - and can exclude any that could be incriminating or damaging .... you know like the "lost emails"

I think they should obey all requests for documentation in a timely manner much as the FBI has done with Congressional requests.

Good luck with that.

I am probably fairly representative of the Trump electorate as a whole in that I have paid little attention to this whole Russia thing.

I don't care about it one way or another as long as we are working on jobs and trade.

LOL. All of his financial affairs are going to be aired out in public. Just like they should have been before the election.

(03-17-2018 01:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  LOL. All of his financial affairs are going to be aired out in public. Just like they should have been before the election.

His tax returns are private, nobody but the taxpayer has the right to release those.

(03-17-2018 09:50 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 01:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  LOL. All of his financial affairs are going to be aired out in public. Just like they should have been before the election.

His tax returns are private, nobody but the taxpayer has the right to release those.

And when his administration collapses in financial scandal after financial scandal, and the splatter engenders a Democratic takeover of just about everything by 2021....you can ask yourself....'was it a good idea to nominate and elect a candidate with as many financial warning signs as Trump and who refused to be transparent with the American people?'

Enjoy the scandals. And possibly House Speaker Adam Schiff. And possibly Senate Majority Leader Kamala Harris. And possibly President Kirstin Gillibrand. And when they take over, they won't have a Republican Congress to worry about. And the next couple of years is going to wipe out much of the GOP gerrymandering. And a bunch of states will go to automatic voter registration.

In a few years, just think......'we could have had Kasich'.

And the longer you wait on the investigation, the longer and worse the backlash is going to be.

(03-17-2018 10:32 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:50 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 01:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  LOL. All of his financial affairs are going to be aired out in public. Just like they should have been before the election.

His tax returns are private, nobody but the taxpayer has the right to release those.

And when his administration collapses in financial scandal after financial scandal, and the splatter engenders a Democratic takeover of just about everything by 2021....you can ask yourself....'was it a good idea to nominate and elect a candidate with as many financial warning signs as Trump and who refused to be transparent with the American people?'
Enjoy the scandals. And possibly House Speaker Adam Schiff. And possibly Senate Majority Leader Kamala Harris. And possibly President Kirstin Gillibrand. And when they take over, they won't have a Republican Congress to worry about. And the next couple of years is going to wipe out much of the GOP gerrymandering. And a bunch of states will go to automatic voter registration.
In a few years, just think......'we could have had Kasich'.
And the longer you wait on the investigation, the longer and worse the backlash is going to be.

I think you've just described my worst nightmare. I think this is what has always scared me a bit about Trump, the idea that he could inspire such a backlash that we as a nation would do stupid stuff like this.

No thanks. I don't want to live in a communist country. By the time we embrace this radical an agenda, I would certainly hope that some country somewhere has firmly resisted communism. And I will move there.

(03-17-2018 01:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  LOL. All of his financial affairs are going to be aired out in public. Just like they should have been before the election.

Yea, because that has gone so well for you guys so far.

(03-17-2018 10:32 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:50 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 01:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  LOL. All of his financial affairs are going to be aired out in public. Just like they should have been before the election.

His tax returns are private, nobody but the taxpayer has the right to release those.

And when his administration collapses in financial scandal after financial scandal, and the splatter engenders a Democratic takeover of just about everything by 2021....you can ask yourself....'was it a good idea to nominate and elect a candidate with as many financial warning signs as Trump and who refused to be transparent with the American people?'

Enjoy the scandals. And possibly House Speaker Adam Schiff. And possibly Senate Majority Leader Kamala Harris. And possibly President Kirstin Gillibrand. And when they take over, they won't have a Republican Congress to worry about. And the next couple of years is going to wipe out much of the GOP gerrymandering. And a bunch of states will go to automatic voter registration.

In a few years, just think......'we could have had Kasich'.

And the longer you wait on the investigation, the longer and worse the backlash is going to be.

You steer the OP into whataboutism, then when called you steer even harder. You sir are hopeless.

(03-17-2018 12:48 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 10:32 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:50 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 01:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  LOL. All of his financial affairs are going to be aired out in public. Just like they should have been before the election.

His tax returns are private, nobody but the taxpayer has the right to release those.

And when his administration collapses in financial scandal after financial scandal, and the splatter engenders a Democratic takeover of just about everything by 2021....you can ask yourself....'was it a good idea to nominate and elect a candidate with as many financial warning signs as Trump and who refused to be transparent with the American people?'

Enjoy the scandals. And possibly House Speaker Adam Schiff. And possibly Senate Majority Leader Kamala Harris. And possibly President Kirstin Gillibrand. And when they take over, they won't have a Republican Congress to worry about. And the next couple of years is going to wipe out much of the GOP gerrymandering. And a bunch of states will go to automatic voter registration.

In a few years, just think......'we could have had Kasich'.

And the longer you wait on the investigation, the longer and worse the backlash is going to be.

You steer the OP into whataboutism, then when called you steer even harder. You sir are hopeless.

LOL, you're free to argue that Trump's finances are not relevant to the investigations swirling around his administration. Or that y'all's decision to support an untransparent candidate and President didn't come without significant risks.

I get it. Trump throws a Mega-Snowflake level hissy fit anytime anyone looks at his finances. But they're relevant and will be so until we get the transparency.

Why do you think that Mueller is subpoenaing Trump Organization docs? Its all going to boil down to money and finances.

(03-17-2018 12:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 12:48 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 10:32 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:50 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 01:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  LOL. All of his financial affairs are going to be aired out in public. Just like they should have been before the election.

His tax returns are private, nobody but the taxpayer has the right to release those.

And when his administration collapses in financial scandal after financial scandal, and the splatter engenders a Democratic takeover of just about everything by 2021....you can ask yourself....'was it a good idea to nominate and elect a candidate with as many financial warning signs as Trump and who refused to be transparent with the American people?'

Enjoy the scandals. And possibly House Speaker Adam Schiff. And possibly Senate Majority Leader Kamala Harris. And possibly President Kirstin Gillibrand. And when they take over, they won't have a Republican Congress to worry about. And the next couple of years is going to wipe out much of the GOP gerrymandering. And a bunch of states will go to automatic voter registration.

In a few years, just think......'we could have had Kasich'.

And the longer you wait on the investigation, the longer and worse the backlash is going to be.

You steer the OP into whataboutism, then when called you steer even harder. You sir are hopeless.

LOL, you're free to argue that Trump's finances are not relevant to the investigations swirling around his administration. Or that y'all's decision to support an untransparent candidate and President didn't come without significant risks.

I get it. Trump throws a Mega-Snowflake level hissy fit anytime anyone looks at his finances. But they're relevant and will be so until we get the transparency.

Why do you think that Mueller is subpoenaing Trump Organization docs? Its all going to boil down to money and finances.

So you're now admitting that the original claim of collusion with the Russians, which later morphed into obstruction of justice, will now come down to money and finances?

If one accepts some logic in using a special prosecutor to look for crimes until he finds one so that the opposing party can hopefully impeach a sitting president and eventually regain control of government, then I think we've set an interesting precedent. Under those circumstances, every president from here forward needs to investigated by a special prosecutor. Any man or woman who can rise to the level of the most powerful job in the world has to have a crime buried in there somewhere.

(03-17-2018 12:48 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 10:32 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:50 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 01:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  LOL. All of his financial affairs are going to be aired out in public. Just like they should have been before the election.

His tax returns are private, nobody but the taxpayer has the right to release those.

And when his administration collapses in financial scandal after financial scandal, and the splatter engenders a Democratic takeover of just about everything by 2021....you can ask yourself....'was it a good idea to nominate and elect a candidate with as many financial warning signs as Trump and who refused to be transparent with the American people?'

Enjoy the scandals. And possibly House Speaker Adam Schiff. And possibly Senate Majority Leader Kamala Harris. And possibly President Kirstin Gillibrand. And when they take over, they won't have a Republican Congress to worry about. And the next couple of years is going to wipe out much of the GOP gerrymandering. And a bunch of states will go to automatic voter registration.

In a few years, just think......'we could have had Kasich'.

And the longer you wait on the investigation, the longer and worse the backlash is going to be.

You steer the OP into whataboutism, then when called you steer even harder. You sir are hopeless.

Watch out who you call "sir".

True Ollie.

I reckon if we do a full investigation into Trump's finances the same should be done for the Clinton's and all their foundations. Where all the money comes from and goes. Since we've already steered into whataboutism.

(03-17-2018 10:32 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 09:50 AM)gdunn Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 01:04 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  LOL. All of his financial affairs are going to be aired out in public. Just like they should have been before the election.

His tax returns are private, nobody but the taxpayer has the right to release those.

And when his administration collapses in financial scandal after financial scandal, and the splatter engenders a Democratic takeover of just about everything by 2021....you can ask yourself....'was it a good idea to nominate and elect a candidate with as many financial warning signs as Trump and who refused to be transparent with the American people?'

Enjoy the scandals. And possibly House Speaker Adam Schiff. And possibly Senate Majority Leader Kamala Harris. And possibly President Kirstin Gillibrand. And when they take over, they won't have a Republican Congress to worry about. And the next couple of years is going to wipe out much of the GOP gerrymandering. And a bunch of states will go to automatic voter registration.

In a few years, just think......'we could have had Kasich'.

And the longer you wait on the investigation, the longer and worse the backlash is going to be.

Is this another prognostication like Georgia and Texas are in play for Hillary to win??

H

Where I've come to disagree with this Mueller probe is this: If his group goes off investigating for "Trump collusion with Russia", and they find unrelated lawbreaking, so be it. What I don't like is veering off from the stated task and going back through stuff from years ago, AND - when finding evidence of wrongdoing by Democrats, essentially ignoring it.

It has all the appearance of a one sided witch hunt to topple a duly elected officeholder because he's not part of the political class... it smells to high heaven.

(03-17-2018 08:43 PM)Crebman Wrote:  Where I've come to disagree with this Mueller probe is this: If his group goes off investigating for "Trump collusion with Russia", and they find unrelated lawbreaking, so be it. What I don't like is veering off from the stated task and going back through stuff from years ago, AND - when finding evidence of wrongdoing by Democrats, essentially ignoring it.

It has all the appearance of a one sided witch hunt to topple a duly elected officeholder because he's not part of the political class... it smells to high heaven.

Except that it doesn't have that "appearance", that's what it is and everyone knows it.