(05-29-2018 03:11 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I believe that conservative culture tends to be "selfish" in that they do not believe in helping their fellow man; while the Liberal culture tends to be more "giving" in helping those in need.

I think this is what liberals want youth believe about them. But I don't buy it. I believe that capitalism has done more to improve the lot of fellow men than any other system. And I believe tat liberals who talk a good game about helping others have in fact done more to screw them over than anything else.

In the end, I believe people are most strongly motivated by self interest. Under free market capitalism, you do best by providing useful goods and services to people at fair prices, and the end that accomplishes the most good for the most people. In socialist/communist/collectivist systems, you do best by screwing other people. That's why they never work.

(05-29-2018 03:29 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-29-2018 03:11 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I believe that conservative culture tends to be "selfish" in that they do not believe in helping their fellow man; while the Liberal culture tends to be more "giving" in helping those in need.

I think this is what liberals want youth believe about them. But I don't buy it. I believe that capitalism has done more to improve the lot of fellow men than any other system. And I believe tat liberals who talk a good game about helping others have in fact done more to screw them over than anything else.

In the end, I believe people are most strongly motivated by self interest. Under free market capitalism, you do best by providing useful goods and services to people at fair prices, and the end that accomplishes the most good for the most people. In socialist/communist/collectivist systems, you do best by screwing other people. That's why they never work.

Liberals want to help others as long as it the money comes from someone else. Fact is that conservatives on average give more to charity than liberals do.

(05-29-2018 03:29 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-29-2018 03:11 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I believe that conservative culture tends to be "selfish" in that they do not believe in helping their fellow man; while the Liberal culture tends to be more "giving" in helping those in need.

I think this is what liberals want youth believe about them. But I don't buy it. I believe that capitalism has done more to improve the lot of fellow men than any other system. And I believe tat liberals who talk a good game about helping others have in fact done more to screw them over than anything else.

In the end, I believe people are most strongly motivated by self interest. Under free market capitalism, you do best by providing useful goods and services to people at fair prices, and the end that accomplishes the most good for the most people. In socialist/communist/collectivist systems, you do best by screwing other people. That's why they never work.

I'm fine with helping fellow man, but if he is physically able, he needs to be willing to help himself. If he is working full-time at McDonalds, supplement his income. He should be living better than his neighbor that smokes weed, eats Doritos, and plays xBox all day to collect welfare. I believe the neighbor lives better in the current paradigm.

(05-29-2018 03:42 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-29-2018 03:29 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-29-2018 03:11 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I believe that conservative culture tends to be "selfish" in that they do not believe in helping their fellow man; while the Liberal culture tends to be more "giving" in helping those in need.

I think this is what liberals want youth believe about them. But I don't buy it. I believe that capitalism has done more to improve the lot of fellow men than any other system. And I believe tat liberals who talk a good game about helping others have in fact done more to screw them over than anything else.

In the end, I believe people are most strongly motivated by self interest. Under free market capitalism, you do best by providing useful goods and services to people at fair prices, and the end that accomplishes the most good for the most people. In socialist/communist/collectivist systems, you do best by screwing other people. That's why they never work.

Liberals want to help others as long as it the money comes from someone else. Fact is that conservatives on average give more to charity than liberals do.

^This

(05-29-2018 03:11 PM)Eldonabe Wrote:  I believe that conservative culture tends to be "selfish" in that they do not believe in helping their fellow man; while the Liberal culture tends to be more "giving" in helping those in need.

Conservatives donate a higher % of their income to the needy than liberals.

(05-27-2018 01:33 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I tend to think of conservatism in the same way I think of the American spirit. A dogged society built on self reliance, freedom of choice, underpinned by a common acceptance of Judeo Christian ethics and a somewhat silly sense of idealism centered on the idea of American exceptionalism. It celebrates the individual and freedom of choice. Conservatism is based very much on simple common sense. It is realistic--yet optimistic--all at the same time. You see it best in the Horatio Alger type stories that preach "you can be anything you want to be if you work hard enough".

Liberalism is more based on collectivism and the idea that we can all work together for the common good. Its is essentially defined by Carl Marx's phrase "to each according to his need and from each according to his ability". It sounds good---is idealistic---but lacks the common sense and moral underpinnings that act as the glue to bind the conservative society together. Liberalism's biggest failing is it fails to account for the basic motivations of man. Theoretically, it could work---but fails to work in actual practice because there is little motivation to strive for excellence (or even mediocrity for that matter).

I think that you really can't pin Marx on American Liberals. Heck, he thought government was unnecessary at all.

At its heart, Marxism really had a level of naivete (or optimism) that postulated that people will not be greedy and operate in the common good. The state will wither away and so on. That's not contemporary liberalism, which postulates that economic constraints and systematic dysfunction, possibly motivated by greed, requires some level of government action in order to make overall society more successful. People fall into a trap when they think that liberals aren't capitalists. The overwhelming majority of us are. The question is one of whether capitalism can advance society better when it has zero regulations.

As far as what conservatism means, I have no idea. Barry Goldwater had a coherent thought process. I really don't see that today.

Winning

(05-29-2018 05:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Barry Goldwater had a coherent thought process. I really don't see that today.

....and lost.....

now we have one in theory for those outside the capacity to disregard the MSM whipping boy toys.......

we have a guy that uses the current tools available to fk with those opposed to reason AND WON!!!

somebody finally paid attention.....well done TiL....well done son....

https://www.realcleareducation.com/artic...10280.html

"...Although Buckley wrote “God and Man at Yale” in the midst of the Cold War, he foresaw an ongoing battle between collectivism and capitalism that would continue beyond the defeat of communism. Indeed, the threats which Buckley exposed remain deeply entrenched in American intellectual circles today. Similarly, Buckley’s philosophy of Christian individualism still remains just as much at the core of American conservatism as it was in 1951...."