The thing about ODU, since they lead the voting now, is I’m not sure their fans or admin are excited about LU. Maybe if we have good exciting games that may change.

We will be playing UMass a lot. With good match ups there, a rivalry could develop, though UMass doesn’t peak my interest much.

BYU and VT would be very interesting minor rivalries. We could create an event game with VT, like “Battle of(or for) the Burg” or something in that nature lol.

(06-20-2018 10:49 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:26 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I would rather not have any FCS schools on our schedule. I would rather compete against FBS schools since we fought so hard to move up.

It would take a miracle for JMU to be rivals with us. First, they'd have to move to FBS and that looks extremely low for the foreseeable future. Then they'd have to want to play us and that's even less likely. Even if they do, it would most likely be a home/home agreement rather than an annual game.

BYU could be a rivalry if we start playing annually. I don't think that is the case so our opportunity is limited. UMass is our only regular opponent through 2025 at this time. I expected to play New Mexico State yearly too out of necessity but there doesn't seem to be interest after 2019.

Of all the current FCS schools, JMU should the last school LU schedules. Only if JMU became FBS, which seems far off at best, would a JMU/LU series be noteworthy. Agree that LU should raise it's desire beyond scheduling FCS schools. For the immediate future, maybe it would be a good idea. For the 3-5+ time frame, only play FCS games when and if needed, not by choice.

Smart you are.

Two big obstacles to JMU vs LU.
1a) JMU needs 1A games to be big paydays. LU is not going to pay JMU $600K.
1b) JMU has to date, never played two 1A games in a season.
2) Does LU really want to to play JMU right now? JMU is getting stronger.

What could be interesting and good for both would be LU in Harrisonburg. A 1A on the road at an fcs opponent. You guys are all about breaking the norm.

IMO, JMU should be viewed as a solid G5 program now. Is JMU really an fcs program, a typical fcs program?

JMU is now one of only a few fcs programs that offer the COA/football. NDSU is one of the others. NDSU regularly crushers 1A opponents including ranked P5s.

(08-04-2018 03:47 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 10:49 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:26 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I would rather not have any FCS schools on our schedule. I would rather compete against FBS schools since we fought so hard to move up.

It would take a miracle for JMU to be rivals with us. First, they'd have to move to FBS and that looks extremely low for the foreseeable future. Then they'd have to want to play us and that's even less likely. Even if they do, it would most likely be a home/home agreement rather than an annual game.

BYU could be a rivalry if we start playing annually. I don't think that is the case so our opportunity is limited. UMass is our only regular opponent through 2025 at this time. I expected to play New Mexico State yearly too out of necessity but there doesn't seem to be interest after 2019.

Of all the current FCS schools, JMU should the last school LU schedules. Only if JMU became FBS, which seems far off at best, would a JMU/LU series be noteworthy. Agree that LU should raise it's desire beyond scheduling FCS schools. For the immediate future, maybe it would be a good idea. For the 3-5+ time frame, only play FCS games when and if needed, not by choice.

Smart you are.

Two big obstacles to JMU vs LU.
1a) JMU needs 1A games to be big paydays. LU is not going to pay JMU $600K.
1b) JMU has to date, never played two 1A games in a season.
2) Does LU really want to to play JMU right now? JMU is getting stronger.

What could be interesting and good for both would be LU in Harrisonburg. A 1A on the road at an fcs opponent. You guys are all about breaking the norm.

IMO, JMU should be viewed as a solid G5 program now. Is JMU really an fcs program, a typical fcs program?

JMU is now one of only a few fcs programs that offer the COA/football. NDSU is one of the others. NDSU regularly crushers 1A opponents including ranked P5s.

LU cares about bowl eligibility. Playing JMU does not help us in that regard. Y’all would be too difficult of a game and we would not want to risk potentially losing what should be a give me game. As for playing at JMU that would NEVER happen. Until you guys are FBS we won’t be making a trip to visit y’all. You guys should be FBS but the admin over there are some real winners. Good luck this year!

(08-04-2018 03:47 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 10:49 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(06-19-2018 04:26 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I would rather not have any FCS schools on our schedule. I would rather compete against FBS schools since we fought so hard to move up.

It would take a miracle for JMU to be rivals with us. First, they'd have to move to FBS and that looks extremely low for the foreseeable future. Then they'd have to want to play us and that's even less likely. Even if they do, it would most likely be a home/home agreement rather than an annual game.

BYU could be a rivalry if we start playing annually. I don't think that is the case so our opportunity is limited. UMass is our only regular opponent through 2025 at this time. I expected to play New Mexico State yearly too out of necessity but there doesn't seem to be interest after 2019.

Of all the current FCS schools, JMU should the last school LU schedules. Only if JMU became FBS, which seems far off at best, would a JMU/LU series be noteworthy. Agree that LU should raise it's desire beyond scheduling FCS schools. For the immediate future, maybe it would be a good idea. For the 3-5+ time frame, only play FCS games when and if needed, not by choice.

Smart you are.

Two big obstacles to JMU vs LU.
1a) JMU needs 1A games to be big paydays. LU is not going to pay JMU $600K.
1b) JMU has to date, never played two 1A games in a season.
2) Does LU really want to to play JMU right now? JMU is getting stronger.

What could be interesting and good for both would be LU in Harrisonburg. A 1A on the road at an fcs opponent. You guys are all about breaking the norm.

IMO, JMU should be viewed as a solid G5 program now. Is JMU really an fcs program, a typical fcs program?

JMU is now one of only a few fcs programs that offer the COA/football. NDSU is one of the others. NDSU regularly crushers 1A opponents including ranked P5s.

The hot, molten, volcanic center of the earth will freeze over before LU travels to JMU. JMU is a big fish in a small sea with it's FCS success. Is JMU ahead of LU at the present, very likely so. Will JMU retain that equal/advantage in the future. Not as long as JMU is FCS.

I don't blame LU if LU refused a game at JMU while JMU is fcs. However, as an indy, I would not 100% delete the idea.

1) It's a bus trip for the LU team and LU fans. Isn't this what the future G5 landscape is about!!!
2) I expect the attendance could pass 30,000 if the JMU admin made every effort to pack in fans.
3) Outside of the two flagship VA programs, what other all VA game is better? ODU, no. Shower after that game.
4) A lot of VA hype, good for both programs.

(08-05-2018 08:04 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I don't blame LU if LU refused a game at JMU while JMU is fcs. However, as an indy, I would not 100% delete the idea.

1) It's a bus trip for the LU team and LU fans. Isn't this what the future G5 landscape is about!!!
2) I expect the attendance could pass 30,000 if the JMU admin made every effort to pack in fans.
3) Outside of the two flagship VA programs, what other all VA game is better? ODU, no. Shower after that game.
4) A lot of VA hype, good for both programs.

Pretty sure the NCAA prohibits a lower division hosting an upper one.

(08-05-2018 08:04 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I don't blame LU if LU refused a game at JMU while JMU is fcs. However, as an indy, I would not 100% delete the idea.

1) It's a bus trip for the LU team and LU fans. Isn't this what the future G5 landscape is about!!!
2) I expect the attendance could pass 30,000 if the JMU admin made every effort to pack in fans.
3) Outside of the two flagship VA programs, what other all VA game is better? ODU, no. Shower after that game.
4) A lot of VA hype, good for both programs.

If you guys move FBS Indy then it would probably be every year. Until then it’s going to be a no.

(08-05-2018 10:14 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 08:04 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I don't blame LU if LU refused a game at JMU while JMU is fcs. However, as an indy, I would not 100% delete the idea.

1) It's a bus trip for the LU team and LU fans. Isn't this what the future G5 landscape is about!!!
2) I expect the attendance could pass 30,000 if the JMU admin made every effort to pack in fans.
3) Outside of the two flagship VA programs, what other all VA game is better? ODU, no. Shower after that game.
4) A lot of VA hype, good for both programs.

If you guys move FBS Indy then it would probably be every year. Until then it’s going to be a no.

JMU should join the A-Sun as the 10th member, and go Indy in FBS.

The only thing that is going to move JMU is a reasonably tight regional G5.

JMU has built a new football stadium, now building a new coliseum, new baseball, new softball, new soccer, new indoor practice facility, highly paid football coaches, full tilt COA. If any program is ready for G5 fbs it is JMU.

I don't understand how this can be going on without some kind of intelligence about a future regional G5. How can JMU spend AAC money on a fcs product? Winning is great but winning because the competition is outspent in every category is not a good long term goal IMO.

???

(08-05-2018 05:24 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  The only thing that is going to move JMU is a reasonably tight regional G5.

JMU has built a new football stadium, now building a new coliseum, new baseball, new softball, new soccer, new indoor practice facility, highly paid football coaches, full tilt COA. If any program is ready for G5 fbs it is JMU.

I don't understand how this can be going on without some kind of intelligence about a future regional G5. How can JMU spend AAC money on a fcs product? Winning is great but winning because the competition is outspent in every category is not a good long term goal IMO.

???

At least youve seen results on the field. We havent seen the same success. I wish we could get a G5 conference like this:

Liberty
JMU
CCU
ODU
APP
UNCC
GS
GAST
Marshall
Troy

(08-05-2018 11:17 AM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 10:14 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 08:04 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I don't blame LU if LU refused a game at JMU while JMU is fcs. However, as an indy, I would not 100% delete the idea.

1) It's a bus trip for the LU team and LU fans. Isn't this what the future G5 landscape is about!!!
2) I expect the attendance could pass 30,000 if the JMU admin made every effort to pack in fans.
3) Outside of the two flagship VA programs, what other all VA game is better? ODU, no. Shower after that game.
4) A lot of VA hype, good for both programs.

If you guys move FBS Indy then it would probably be every year. Until then it’s going to be a no.

JMU should join the A-Sun as the 10th member, and go Indy in FBS.

I like that idea but JMU, with all it's on field FCS success is a basket case with it's admin leadership and it's mixed message FBS desire. Lots to like about JMU and it's program and lots to shake one's head and wonder what they are saying and doing. LU with all it's baggage has a clear mission to achieve FBS and it did it quicky, to the surprise of many, including myself.

(08-05-2018 05:24 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  The only thing that is going to move JMU is a reasonably tight regional G5.

JMU has built a new football stadium, now building a new coliseum, new baseball, new softball, new soccer, new indoor practice facility, highly paid football coaches, full tilt COA. If any program is ready for G5 fbs it is JMU.

I don't understand how this can be going on without some kind of intelligence about a future regional G5. How can JMU spend AAC money on a fcs product? Winning is great but winning because the competition is outspent in every category is not a good long term goal IMO.

???

I like the regional FBS concept. Much to agree upon that it make economic sense and could be a future format for others to follow. Now that would require several teams, with current FBS conference affiliations to depart their leagues. And for even LU and JMU to agree. That is a lot of changing and agreeing and seems to be a very tall order, and as economically sound as it appears, has little chance of success.

(08-05-2018 09:20 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(08-05-2018 08:04 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I don't blame LU if LU refused a game at JMU while JMU is fcs. However, as an indy, I would not 100% delete the idea.

1) It's a bus trip for the LU team and LU fans. Isn't this what the future G5 landscape is about!!!
2) I expect the attendance could pass 30,000 if the JMU admin made every effort to pack in fans.
3) Outside of the two flagship VA programs, what other all VA game is better? ODU, no. Shower after that game.
4) A lot of VA hype, good for both programs.

Pretty sure the NCAA prohibits a lower division hosting an upper one.

No such rule at least as far as FBS/FCS have no idea about DII or III. According to Micky Matthews we were on the verge of signing a home and home with a FBS school when we beat VA Tech and that team/school stopped talking to us.

There is no NCAA rules, but most FBS conferences dont let their schools play away FCS games and FCS schools generally will not go to a D2 school to play. But I think Hampton is travelling to a D3 school this year.

That must have been it then....conference rule...

(08-10-2018 10:52 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  That must have been it then....conference rule...

Hence, my original point, Liberty as an Independent could choose to play at JMU, a fun game for both programs and a potential PACKED house pushing 30,000.

It would be fun and 1A LU can prove its fbs muscle by teaching lil'ol fcs JMU a bit of a lesson about big boy football.

It would be completely stupid for Liberty to agree to an away game at JMU. The only redeeming quality is an easy win for Liberty, but that comes far short of the negatives such as the stigma of an FBS traveling to an FCS. JMU still owes us a home game that they have been dodging for years now. If they want to host an FBS school, they will have to grow a pair and move up to FBS. Until then, they can have fun traveling to high schools to play teams with 1,000 in attendance. Have fun in FCS forever!

(08-10-2018 08:05 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  The only redeeming quality is an easy win for Liberty

I know you are writing that to push his buttons. Playing JMU would most certainly not be an easy win. They have proven themselves a worthy opponent against FBS competition.

(08-11-2018 07:28 AM)army56mike Wrote:  

(08-10-2018 08:05 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  The only redeeming quality is an easy win for Liberty

I know you are writing that to push his buttons. Playing JMU would most certainly not be an easy win. They have proven themselves a worthy opponent against FBS competition.

+1

Still would like to have Mike Houston replace Gill after the 2018 season.