Definitely, the coaching search will be very interesting. I just hope they bring in someone from the Mid-Atlantic region and don't go too nuts over names.

(11-28-2018 04:07 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  Clearly I’m not a Charlotte fan, but you are so wrong it hurts. Say what you will about current Charlotte, but it’s an exceptional opportunity.

Mike Houston is competitive like any other head coach is. You don’t think he has the vision to see what Charlotte could be? And you don’t think he’s got the ego (like every other HC) to think he can be the guy?

For one, the bar there is hilariously low. Win 6 games and get into a bowl and you’re a God. I think Houston is capable of that with what’s there now. The truth though is Charlotte is a massive public university in one of the fastest growing cities in the country. It’s got deep pockets and as an App fan, worries me. It’s why I didn’t want them to have football in the first place.

A decade of success in Charlotte and they can be UCF. You may laugh at that, but UCF was an afterthought (if that) a decade ago. They’ve got a better chance than 90% of the G5 schools of sneaking into the P5 after the next realignment and it’s got nothing to do with merit. As a traditionalist, it’s sickening haha.

Every G5 program in a major city thinks they can be the next Houston or UCF. Most won't be.

The reality here is that you need to coach in the FBS before you can get a P5 head coaching job. It's the same reason Everett Withers left for a Texas State program with a limited history of success.

(11-28-2018 04:30 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 04:07 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  Clearly I’m not a Charlotte fan, but you are so wrong it hurts. Say what you will about current Charlotte, but it’s an exceptional opportunity.

Mike Houston is competitive like any other head coach is. You don’t think he has the vision to see what Charlotte could be? And you don’t think he’s got the ego (like every other HC) to think he can be the guy?

For one, the bar there is hilariously low. Win 6 games and get into a bowl and you’re a God. I think Houston is capable of that with what’s there now. The truth though is Charlotte is a massive public university in one of the fastest growing cities in the country. It’s got deep pockets and as an App fan, worries me. It’s why I didn’t want them to have football in the first place.

A decade of success in Charlotte and they can be UCF. You may laugh at that, but UCF was an afterthought (if that) a decade ago. They’ve got a better chance than 90% of the G5 schools of sneaking into the P5 after the next realignment and it’s got nothing to do with merit. As a traditionalist, it’s sickening haha.

Every G5 program in a major city thinks they can be the next Houston or UCF. Most won't be.

The reality here is that you need to coach in the FBS before you can get a P5 head coaching job. It's the same reason Everett Withers left for a Texas State program with a limited history of success.

Of course. Opportunity doesn’t equal reality. I do think Charlotte is uniquely positioned to be successful in that regard moreso than say, UNT, Texas State, or even a USF. It’s the only University in the city, it’s now well connected via the light rail and it’s growing.

Unfortunately for the App’s, Georgia Southerns and JMU’s of the world, that’s something we can’t manufacture.

(11-28-2018 04:17 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 04:12 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 04:07 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  For one, the bar there is hilariously low. Win 6 games and get into a bowl and you’re a God. I think Houston is capable of that with what’s there now. The truth though is Charlotte is a massive public university in one of the fastest growing cities in the country. It’s got deep pockets and as an App fan, worries me. It’s why I didn’t want them to have football in the first place.

A decade of success in Charlotte and they can be UCF. You may laugh at that, but UCF was an afterthought (if that) a decade ago. They’ve got a better chance than 90% of the G5 schools of sneaking into the P5 after the next realignment and it’s got nothing to do with merit. As a traditionalist, it’s sickening haha.

I appreciate the perspective. Houston set his bar unbelievably high at JMU by winning a national championship in his first year. How do you beat that every year? How long would the fanbase tolerate not winning another one if we don't make it or win the title game all the time? The UNCC project checks out in my mind for Houston.

Dead on. Fans are fickle. There are quite a few App fans on yosefscabin who claim our guy satterfield should “wait” for a great job to open up. Wait? Wait for what? What if he has a bad season next year and the phones suddenly stop ringing? What if he has some untimely injuries and goes two years without a Bowl game? He will be praying to get a call from wofford instead of Louisville or Georgia Tech. Just like Houston.

He got a chance to take on a complete mess that can only improve, which buys him a couple years to right the ship. And he probably gets paid double, in the FBS. It’s a no brainer.

This is my thought, as well. Charlotte went from 1 win in 2017 to 5 this year, so it's not a build from the ground floor kind of gig. I, like you, have looked at their size and location and pockets and thought, wait, there's untapped potential there.

Here's another thing: JMU commits 6 turnovers on a cold day in a small stadium in New Hampshire, and because of that, our path to another championship appearance has to go through what appears to be an unbreakable wall in Fargo. A loss there means we finish in the bottom half of the top 10. What if the injury bug hits us next year? Or there's another loss like the UNH one? Suddenly those back-to-back title game appearances are receding in the memory of FBS ADs.

(11-28-2018 04:36 PM)QuinDuke Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 04:17 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 04:12 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 04:07 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  For one, the bar there is hilariously low. Win 6 games and get into a bowl and you’re a God. I think Houston is capable of that with what’s there now. The truth though is Charlotte is a massive public university in one of the fastest growing cities in the country. It’s got deep pockets and as an App fan, worries me. It’s why I didn’t want them to have football in the first place.

A decade of success in Charlotte and they can be UCF. You may laugh at that, but UCF was an afterthought (if that) a decade ago. They’ve got a better chance than 90% of the G5 schools of sneaking into the P5 after the next realignment and it’s got nothing to do with merit. As a traditionalist, it’s sickening haha.

I appreciate the perspective. Houston set his bar unbelievably high at JMU by winning a national championship in his first year. How do you beat that every year? How long would the fanbase tolerate not winning another one if we don't make it or win the title game all the time? The UNCC project checks out in my mind for Houston.

Dead on. Fans are fickle. There are quite a few App fans on yosefscabin who claim our guy satterfield should “wait” for a great job to open up. Wait? Wait for what? What if he has a bad season next year and the phones suddenly stop ringing? What if he has some untimely injuries and goes two years without a Bowl game? He will be praying to get a call from wofford instead of Louisville or Georgia Tech. Just like Houston.

He got a chance to take on a complete mess that can only improve, which buys him a couple years to right the ship. And he probably gets paid double, in the FBS. It’s a no brainer.

This is my thought, as well. Charlotte went from 1 win in 2017 to 5 this year, so it's not a build from the ground floor kind of gig. I, like you, have looked at their size and location and pockets and thought, wait, there's untapped potential there.

Here's another thing: JMU commits 6 turnovers on a cold day in a small stadium in New Hampshire, and because of that, our path to another championship appearance has to go through what appears to be an unbreakable wall in Fargo. A loss there means we finish in the bottom half of the top 10. What if the injury bug hits us next year? Or there's another loss like the UNH one? Suddenly those back-to-back title game appearances are receding in the memory of FBS ADs.

Ignoring the politics of the man, I have always loved this quite by rahm emanuel.

“Never let a good crisis go to waste”

(11-28-2018 03:40 PM)fanofallthatisjmu Wrote:  First call should be to the Elon coach.
After that, I don't know.

I just hope we do not hire a search firm. This should be pretty straightforward. This is a great job.

Please don't. I can't tell you how nice it is to FINALLY have good football again.

(11-28-2018 04:45 PM)TerpsNPhoenix Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 03:40 PM)fanofallthatisjmu Wrote:  First call should be to the Elon coach.
After that, I don't know.

I just hope we do not hire a search firm. This should be pretty straightforward. This is a great job.

Please don't. I can't tell you how nice it is to FINALLY have good football again.

Haha, welcome to the show.

Why there isn't a press release out already is one of the few things we are bad at at JMU.

(11-28-2018 04:40 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 04:36 PM)QuinDuke Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 04:17 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 04:12 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 04:07 PM)ah59396 Wrote:  For one, the bar there is hilariously low. Win 6 games and get into a bowl and you’re a God. I think Houston is capable of that with what’s there now. The truth though is Charlotte is a massive public university in one of the fastest growing cities in the country. It’s got deep pockets and as an App fan, worries me. It’s why I didn’t want them to have football in the first place.

A decade of success in Charlotte and they can be UCF. You may laugh at that, but UCF was an afterthought (if that) a decade ago. They’ve got a better chance than 90% of the G5 schools of sneaking into the P5 after the next realignment and it’s got nothing to do with merit. As a traditionalist, it’s sickening haha.

I appreciate the perspective. Houston set his bar unbelievably high at JMU by winning a national championship in his first year. How do you beat that every year? How long would the fanbase tolerate not winning another one if we don't make it or win the title game all the time? The UNCC project checks out in my mind for Houston.

Dead on. Fans are fickle. There are quite a few App fans on yosefscabin who claim our guy satterfield should “wait” for a great job to open up. Wait? Wait for what? What if he has a bad season next year and the phones suddenly stop ringing? What if he has some untimely injuries and goes two years without a Bowl game? He will be praying to get a call from wofford instead of Louisville or Georgia Tech. Just like Houston.

He got a chance to take on a complete mess that can only improve, which buys him a couple years to right the ship. And he probably gets paid double, in the FBS. It’s a no brainer.

This is my thought, as well. Charlotte went from 1 win in 2017 to 5 this year, so it's not a build from the ground floor kind of gig. I, like you, have looked at their size and location and pockets and thought, wait, there's untapped potential there.

Here's another thing: JMU commits 6 turnovers on a cold day in a small stadium in New Hampshire, and because of that, our path to another championship appearance has to go through what appears to be an unbreakable wall in Fargo. A loss there means we finish in the bottom half of the top 10. What if the injury bug hits us next year? Or there's another loss like the UNH one? Suddenly those back-to-back title game appearances are receding in the memory of FBS ADs.

Ignoring the politics of the man, I have always loved this quite by rahm emanuel.

“Never let a good crisis go to waste”

I was minding my own business this afternoon, enjoying a Duke Dog platter at Jess' when low and behold, I looked over and saw Bourne eating lunch with Lane Kiffin. It all makes sense now.

(11-28-2018 03:59 PM)fanofallthatisjmu Wrote:  Hope we go with up and comer/recently established head coach. Don't want the hot assistant, first time as head coach.

Will Healy at Austin Peay is someone to keep in mind. Richmond grad, but seems to be turning the ship around at Austin Peay. Great recruiting classes.

(11-28-2018 04:47 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Why there isn't a press release out already is one of the few things we are bad at at JMU.

Did the players find out before the admin? Caught with their pants down?

Hope the reason for a delay is so they can announce our new HC immediately. This needs to happen ASAP, not a month or two from now.

(11-28-2018 04:47 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Why there isn't a press release out already is one of the few things we are bad at at JMU.

Deal may not be done. They also may want to wait until he's announced it to the team before the official announcement. Being open for questions after practice makes me think it's the latter.

Kliff Kingsbury

(11-28-2018 04:47 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  Why there isn't a press release out already is one of the few things we are bad at at JMU.

+1

(11-28-2018 04:55 PM)fanofallthatisjmu Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 04:52 PM)DukeDogNation Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 03:59 PM)fanofallthatisjmu Wrote:  Hope we go with up and comer/recently established head coach. Don't want the hot assistant, first time as head coach.

Will Healy at Austin Peay is someone to keep in mind. Richmond grad, but seems to be turning the ship around at Austin Peay. Great recruiting classes.

Damn he is young. Good candidate from 3 minutes of Googling

I've been keeping my eye on him a bit.

Young guy out of Chattanooga, TN. Played one year at Air Force, transferred to Richmond and won a Natty in 08. Went on to coach QB's at Chattanooga, then WRs, then recruiting coordinator and passing game coordinator. Put together back-to-back top-FCS recuriting classes.

Became head coach at Austin Peay in 2015. Three straight top-5 recruiting classes. Took them from being a 0-11 team to an 8-4 playoff team. Didn't fare well this year, but it sounds like it was a rebuilding year.

We may be looking for someone with more playoff experience, though.

Bourne has always said he is prepared with a "short list" for times like this.

If so, he better be speed dialing and get something done this week, preferably before the game.

(11-28-2018 04:30 PM)jmu007 Wrote:  Definitely, the coaching search will be very interesting. I just hope they bring in someone from the Mid-Atlantic region and don't go too nuts over names.

Exactly, this isn't that hard. Cignetti, Healy, Donnie, Trott are the initial list. Maybe Harismimiak if Maine loses this week, but with signing day two weeks away and no Bowers around to save our ass this time, this can't be a friggin' search-firm deal and drawn-out process that sets us back two years in 'cruitin'.

If a bigger name becomes available soon, you add on from there but this should NOT be a surprise to Bourne/Alger/King this time - I don't think it was and my assumption is Bourne's been walking around with a list in his wallet the whole last month.

Just commenting on this in the other thread, but what about Bryan Stinespring. Alum that has a shot possibly of keeping some of the current staff on board I'd think. Also great recruiter here in VA.

(11-28-2018 05:02 PM)fanofallthatisjmu Wrote:  Mike Barber throwing out Bryan Stinespring as a candidate

Barber must know the guy personally. He was on the hustings for him last time we were looking for a head guy, but basically, he was saying we ought to hire any Va Tech coach they didn't want anymore.

It wouldn't be a bad hire.