(05-23-2019 01:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 01:43 PM)usffan Wrote:  You worry about your program, we'll worry about ours.

USFFan

we are worrying about our program...your scheduling habits affects the rest of ours....

the pac 12 just signed a mandate 2 days ago that no one is allowed to do buy games anymore...
why would they bother signing a mandate if it only affected individual teams? think about that

Bad analogy... FCS is scheduling down, P5 is, for the AAC currently, scheduling 'up'. We are packing our schedule with P5 for a reason. Like it or not, they are in the driver's seat. We can demand a 1:1... but what happens when they say no? We have decided to get these teams on our schedule whatever it takes. Our road wins at aurburn, Not really dame, etc... those are the wins that got us noticed.

Too much drama here about a sinple difference in scheduling philosophy. Bottom line, we win these games and hell yeah it will be GOOD for the conference. P5 wins are the measuring stick for the AAC.

(05-23-2019 01:21 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 12:55 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  If youll notice, Boise State used to follow a "Play anyone, anywhere at anytime" philosophy. Boise is a young program, like USF and its series like the ones we have signed that will make a name. We were willing to sign a series with Miami, because we feel like were at a point where we can win all three. Same with Lville. the UF an Bama series are about exposure and hoping we get in that knockout blow. Neither are invincible.

Whether or not we win, not only do we get exposure but we get PAID. Every one of these series we get at least a Million for the return trip but the beauty is also the massive payday from selling out 67,000 seats. We make good money when we sell out the lower bowl, but it goes way up when we sell out the third tier. (and no, the visiting university doesnt get free tickets, they pay for them)

Playing Oregon State and Washington State every other year is not "anyone, anywhere". This Boise scheduling myth is so overplayed at this point.

They played Washington, Washington St, Oregon St, Oregon, Michigan St, BYU (when BYU was ranked) Georgia, Virginia Tech, TCU, Virginia, and Okloahoma st.... and thats just in the last 10 years.

So no matter what you want to say about it being "overplayed" thats a better schedule than UCF has had in the past 10 years and light years ahead of what UCF has scheduled.

This thread was supposed to be about USF and how well they have done on landing one of the most premier teams in the nation on their schedule but we can always count on one of the UCF asshats coming in here and spouting off nonsense that isn't backed by fact.

Ive been much nicer coming back here than I have in the past but I am starting to remember why everyone in football hates UCF. Some of your fans are just straight garbage.

Next time just show a modicum of class and say "Congrats" and if you cant muster that up, then say nothing. The decent UCF fans deserve to not have the entire schools dragged down by people like you.

(05-23-2019 01:08 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 12:55 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  If youll notice, Boise State used to follow a "Play anyone, anywhere at anytime" philosophy. Boise is a young program, like USF and its series like the ones we have signed that will make a name. We were willing to sign a series with Miami, because we feel like were at a point where we can win all three. Same with Lville. the UF an Bama series are about exposure and hoping we get in that knockout blow. Neither are invincible.

Whether or not we win, not only do we get exposure but we get PAID. Every one of these series we get at least a Million for the return trip but the beauty is also the massive payday from selling out 67,000 seats. We make good money when we sell out the lower bowl, but it goes way up when we sell out the third tier. (and no, the visiting university doesnt get free tickets, they pay for them)

Boise made its name by beating teams in major bowls. Go back and look their schedules aren't that impressive and still aren't. Oregon before they were really good, Washington state before leach, the Washington games were a big deal. Oregon St who has rarely ever been good.

As Boise climbed the public perception is was mostly about dominating the conference and the MW beating each other up between Utah, BYU, and TCU.

Hawaii was mildly successful, but followed the Boise scheduling model when they were. Fresno played and plays the schedule you are promoting. They never achieved glory and had several bad years even though Boise and Fresno both allowed non qualifiers or partial qualifiers.


The pay days are important.

Not exactly true... read my post above.

(05-23-2019 01:38 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 01:31 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 11:46 AM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 11:14 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  Tip of the cap to you USF. Hell of an add here...

Now THAT is an acceptable 2-for-1!

They have all been acceptable 2-for-1s...other UL, but that is basically a 1-and -1 and a big payday game. Plus we are likely going to be the favorite in all those games. We will take their money and beat their asses.

lol no, Miami wasn't even remotely close to an acceptable 2-1.

Well then turn them down when they don't come calling.

(05-23-2019 01:21 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 12:55 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  If youll notice, Boise State used to follow a "Play anyone, anywhere at anytime" philosophy. Boise is a young program, like USF and its series like the ones we have signed that will make a name. We were willing to sign a series with Miami, because we feel like were at a point where we can win all three. Same with Lville. the UF an Bama series are about exposure and hoping we get in that knockout blow. Neither are invincible.

Whether or not we win, not only do we get exposure but we get PAID. Every one of these series we get at least a Million for the return trip but the beauty is also the massive payday from selling out 67,000 seats. We make good money when we sell out the lower bowl, but it goes way up when we sell out the third tier. (and no, the visiting university doesnt get free tickets, they pay for them)

Playing Oregon State and Washington State every other year is not "anyone, anywhere". This Boise scheduling myth is so overplayed at this point.

Everyone forgot to mention Boise played and won at Georgia and V Tech. Also they have future 1 for 1 with Michigan State, Florida State and Houston. In addition to a home game vs Okie State.

They beat Oregon 3x, one year was the Ducks only loss

Nice job USF, you are doing it the right way, it will pay off in the long run.


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(05-23-2019 01:48 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 01:31 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  They have all been acceptable 2-for-1s...other UL, but that is basically a 1-and -1 and a big payday game. Plus we are likely going to be the favorite in all those games. We will take their money and beat their asses.

a big payday game is a "buy game"....something only low level teams do for a school like Miami and Louisville ....

2 for 1 with alabama: everyone in the aac is down for ..all of us will be cheering you on..even ucf fans ..shock the world and what not

2 for 1 with Miami and Louisville: devaluing everyone in the aac including usf.. before usf, Louisville and Miami HAD to do 1 and 1s with us ..they have never gotten a 2 for 1 with us before....now with usf doing it, a precedent has been set .louisiville and miami level teams have the reference point to say this is the value of an AAC team and bring it into the negotiating table

--and what middle level p5 would sign a home and home with usf, now that they know youll settle for a 2 for 1 even for middling p5

So when we beat Lville or Miami and the announcers go on and on about how the AAC is taking on the P5 teams and beating them, were hurting the conference?

and when we win and our SOS goes up, which makes your game against us even more important, its hurting the conference?

and when we get even more P5 teams to play us because we have a reputation for being reasonable to work with, that too is hurting the conference?

and when we are able to build our new start of the art $40 million football center which includes an Indoor practice facility because we made smart business decisions (since we don't have a billionaire sitting around funding us) then that too will hurt the conference?

I mean we wouldn't want them praising USF for this state of the art facility. I can see how we would want for ESPN to go on the air and call our stadium the bounce house and make jokes about how much it flexes, because its built of recycled coke cans... cause that definitely says Big Time.

Ya'll an have your scheduling philosophy all you want. Our schedule is damn near full of P5 teams and were banking Millions for doing this. Were on track to add almost $6 million from signing these games and almost all will be on national TV. Then add in the millions we will make when our 67K seat stadium is sold out.

You do you... we got us.

(05-23-2019 01:21 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 12:55 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  If youll notice, Boise State used to follow a "Play anyone, anywhere at anytime" philosophy. Boise is a young program, like USF and its series like the ones we have signed that will make a name. We were willing to sign a series with Miami, because we feel like were at a point where we can win all three. Same with Lville. the UF an Bama series are about exposure and hoping we get in that knockout blow. Neither are invincible.

Whether or not we win, not only do we get exposure but we get PAID. Every one of these series we get at least a Million for the return trip but the beauty is also the massive payday from selling out 67,000 seats. We make good money when we sell out the lower bowl, but it goes way up when we sell out the third tier. (and no, the visiting university doesnt get free tickets, they pay for them)

Playing Oregon State and Washington State every other year is not "anyone, anywhere". This Boise scheduling myth is so overplayed at this point.

Boise used to play really tough away games out east. I remember a couple Boise at Arkansas games and another SEC team or 2 as well. Don’t you remember Boise beating highly ranked Georgia and Virginia Tech over there? Can’t remember if they were true road games or “neutrals” but they were in Georgia and VD’s backyards and not in Boise...

(05-23-2019 02:02 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 01:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 01:43 PM)usffan Wrote:  You worry about your program, we'll worry about ours.

USFFan

we are worrying about our program...your scheduling habits affects the rest of ours....

the pac 12 just signed a mandate 2 days ago that no one is allowed to do buy games anymore...
why would they bother signing a mandate if it only affected individual teams? think about that

Bad analogy... FCS is scheduling down, P5 is, for the AAC currently, scheduling 'up'. We are packing our schedule with P5 for a reason. Like it or not, they are in the driver's seat. We can demand a 1:1... but what happens when they say no? We have decided to get these teams on our schedule whatever it takes. Our road wins at aurburn, Not really dame, etc... those are the wins that got us noticed.

Too much drama here about a simple difference in scheduling philosophy. Bottom line, we win these games and hell yeah it will be GOOD for the conference. P5 wins are the measuring stick for the AAC.

there are 2 things that i dont get with usf , that the vast majority of usf fans are in denail with

1) louisville and miami have tons of 1 and 1 with g5...temple has a 1 an 1 with miami...
-- you dont have to do 2 and 1s to get louisville and miami ..why are the majority of usf fans pretending that you do

2) beating miami and lousivlle doesnt change anyones perspective on anything...they are middling p5 ..no one will care beyond the year that you beat them

--we agree with everything you are saying for alabama....not for lousiville/miami

our measuring stick isnt only beating "p5" ..every aac could schedule 2 for 1s with Louisville and book them for the next decade...we could sweep them for 10 years straight and nothing will change about us or our perception

---you need to realize our fight just isnt with perception, its in the negotiation room for games, in the negotiation rooms for bowls ..it is demanding the respect we want from the p5..and market value plays into that

3 year ago pitts AD publicly said, pitt was too good for a 1 and 1 with g5 programs ..that completely backfired (as few accepted 2 for 1s with them)..and they had to go back to 1 for 1s with g5....if they had g5 readily willing to accept 2 for 1s with them...he would have been completely validated in his belief..you are validating middling p5..you are setting a precedent bad for ALL OF US when we go into the negotiation rooms after you

(05-23-2019 02:27 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 01:21 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 12:55 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  If youll notice, Boise State used to follow a "Play anyone, anywhere at anytime" philosophy. Boise is a young program, like USF and its series like the ones we have signed that will make a name. We were willing to sign a series with Miami, because we feel like were at a point where we can win all three. Same with Lville. the UF an Bama series are about exposure and hoping we get in that knockout blow. Neither are invincible.

Whether or not we win, not only do we get exposure but we get PAID. Every one of these series we get at least a Million for the return trip but the beauty is also the massive payday from selling out 67,000 seats. We make good money when we sell out the lower bowl, but it goes way up when we sell out the third tier. (and no, the visiting university doesnt get free tickets, they pay for them)

Playing Oregon State and Washington State every other year is not "anyone, anywhere". This Boise scheduling myth is so overplayed at this point.

Boise used to play really tough away games out east. I remember a couple Boise at Arkansas games and another SEC team or 2 as well. Don’t you remember Boise beating highly ranked Georgia and Virginia Tech over there? Can’t remember if they were true road games or “neutrals” but they were in Georgia and VD’s backyards and not in Boise...

Georgia game was in Atlanta and Va Tech in DC. Pretty much home game.


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(05-23-2019 02:19 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  So when we beat Lville or Miami and the announcers go on and on about how the AAC is taking on the P5 teams and beating them, were hurting the conference?

yes 100% ...why are yall over valuing miami wins like it is 2001...

houston destroyed arizona last year..lets stop acting like it changed anything about the aac..or there was some net value or lasting impression beyond houston fans

you setting a precedent that you can get 2 for 1s with aac even if youre a middling p5 , that is a lasting precedent that will hurt us longer than any Louisville win

also everyone in te aac made all our facilities iwthout kissing the toes of middling p5...why cant usf do that???why are you making it seem like this is the only way??

this all looks good until Bama cancels the game that is supposed to be played in front of a pirate ship

(05-23-2019 12:08 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Surprised no UCF fan has stated the obvious: it's a P5 conspiracy meant to break UCF's will by signing up all these marquee 2-for-1's with USF!

Everyone already knows that's why USF is getting all the scheduling attention.

(05-23-2019 02:34 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 02:02 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 01:50 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 01:43 PM)usffan Wrote:  You worry about your program, we'll worry about ours.

USFFan

we are worrying about our program...your scheduling habits affects the rest of ours....

the pac 12 just signed a mandate 2 days ago that no one is allowed to do buy games anymore...
why would they bother signing a mandate if it only affected individual teams? think about that

Bad analogy... FCS is scheduling down, P5 is, for the AAC currently, scheduling 'up'. We are packing our schedule with P5 for a reason. Like it or not, they are in the driver's seat. We can demand a 1:1... but what happens when they say no? We have decided to get these teams on our schedule whatever it takes. Our road wins at aurburn, Not really dame, etc... those are the wins that got us noticed.

Too much drama here about a simple difference in scheduling philosophy. Bottom line, we win these games and hell yeah it will be GOOD for the conference. P5 wins are the measuring stick for the AAC.

our measuring stick isnt only beating "p5" ..every aac could schedule 2 for 1s with Louisville and book them for the next decade...we could sweep them for 10 years straight and nothing will change about us or our perception

Not sure I completely agree with that. Yes, getting home games helps with perception, but winning helps more. (and yes, home games help you win to an extent)

Bottom line: If our conference, averaged out, had a 51% or better win percentage against the other 5 conferences, it wouldn't matter at all where the games were played. That's really all it takes for one of our teams to get into the playoff.

The reality, sadly, is that we're sitting somewhere around 30%.

Im pretty strongly against the idea of 2-for-1 scheduling---but getting Bama in your home stadium might be one of the few times its worth it. Bama, Clemson, LSU, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Michigan, Ohio St, Penn St, Texas, and USC are pretty much the only teams where Im ok with that deal. That said, I prefer AAC teams to just schedule the P5 teams they can get home and home games against mainly becasue that strategy gives us the maximum number of P5 games in our TV inventory.

This is so Insulting to ucf and I find it completely hilarious .


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(05-23-2019 02:39 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-23-2019 02:19 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  So when we beat Lville or Miami and the announcers go on and on about how the AAC is taking on the P5 teams and beating them, were hurting the conference?

yes 100% ...why are yall over valuing miami wins like it is 2001...

houston destroyed arizona last year..lets stop acting like it changed anything about the aac..or there was some net value or lasting impression beyond houston fans

you setting a precedent that you can get 2 for 1s with aac even if youre a middling p5 , that is a lasting precedent that will hurt us longer than any Louisville win

also everyone in te aac made all our facilities iwthout kissing the toes of middling p5...why cant usf do that???why are you making it seem like this is the only way??

We don’t care!

I wouldnt mind if DW signed some 2 for 1s with teams like Bama, Michigan, Ohio state etc...... just not mid tier ones

look at Pesik being all salty lol

Good job Bulls, getting the home game first. ECU is expecting a return visit from South Carolina any year now. At least by 2047.