RE: Who moves the needle in Football? Get’em in here
(06-23-2019 10:40 AM)BigHouston Wrote:
(06-23-2019 08:28 AM)panama Wrote:
(06-22-2019 08:33 PM)BigHouston Wrote: BYU football - Gonzaga basketball
Air Force football - Gonzaga basketball
Serious question 2
Does anyone from Mountain Time Zone really want to fly 1700 miles? And will fan bases on either end of that trip care?
Ok that's actually 2 questions...
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I know the geography part sucks donkey balls but those two programs will definitely not disappoint tv ratings.
Distance is not a problem in the age of jet travel and the internet. Pro teams routinely fly coast to coast and fans adjust. The issue is does revenue exceed cost - particularly for minor sports?
RE: Who moves the needle in Football? Get’em in here
(06-23-2019 12:24 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:
(06-23-2019 10:40 AM)BigHouston Wrote:
(06-23-2019 08:28 AM)panama Wrote:
(06-22-2019 08:33 PM)BigHouston Wrote: BYU football - Gonzaga basketball
Air Force football - Gonzaga basketball
Serious question 2
Does anyone from Mountain Time Zone really want to fly 1700 miles? And will fan bases on either end of that trip care?
Ok that's actually 2 questions...
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I know the geography part sucks donkey balls but those two programs will definitely not disappoint tv ratings.
Distance is not a problem in the age of jet travel and the internet. Pro teams routinely fly coast to coast and fans adjust. The issue is does revenue exceed cost - particularly for minor sports?
So youre comparing the NFL to a potential AAC West division game between schools 1400 to 1800 miles apart?
RE: Who moves the needle in Football? Get’em in here
(06-23-2019 07:18 AM)GrayBeard Wrote:
(06-22-2019 11:55 PM)shere khan Wrote:
(06-22-2019 09:50 PM)Noodles Wrote: If it had ever been about football, USM would have been chosen before any of you.
I hope your people are doing work. I'd trade Connecticut for southern miss in a New York minute. I'm just sad we didn't kick their half ass program out.
I agree.
We’ve been doing work for a while now, but I’m not sure there’s a lot of interest in it on this board. Everyone wants to expand their horizons a bit, and we certainly aren’t shiny and new in regard to horizon expansion. It’s perfectly okay to look at pie in the sky scenarios when everyone wants the best for their school. Perhaps when a bit more reality sets in, we can talk civilly about this work we are doing.
RE: Who moves the needle in Football? Get’em in here
(06-23-2019 12:49 PM)panama Wrote:
(06-23-2019 12:24 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:
(06-23-2019 10:40 AM)BigHouston Wrote:
(06-23-2019 08:28 AM)panama Wrote:
(06-22-2019 08:33 PM)BigHouston Wrote: BYU football - Gonzaga basketball
Air Force football - Gonzaga basketball
Serious question 2
Does anyone from Mountain Time Zone really want to fly 1700 miles? And will fan bases on either end of that trip care?
Ok that's actually 2 questions...
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I know the geography part sucks donkey balls but those two programs will definitely not disappoint tv ratings.
Distance is not a problem in the age of jet travel and the internet. Pro teams routinely fly coast to coast and fans adjust. The issue is does revenue exceed cost - particularly for minor sports?
So youre comparing the NFL to a potential AAC West division game between schools 1400 to 1800 miles apart?
Please go on....
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The purpose of this thread is discussion among AAC members about a potential replacement for UConn.
RE: Who moves the needle in Football? Get’em in here
(06-22-2019 07:52 PM)SMUleopold Wrote: This is a great opportunity for us. UCONN sucks in football and will never be good.
We want to be P6 we need a football school. Not many options but we get the right program we gain a lot from this.
Thats not really the question. The real question is who moves the needle in football who would say "Yes".
If we use attendance for some of the team being mentioned as a proxy for "moving the needle"
Air Force----27,701
Akron-------18,515
ArkySt------19,834
Army--------31,693
Boise--------33,068
Buffalo------18,380
BYU---------52,476
CSU---------29,504 (new stadium)
FIU----------15,685
Georgia So--16,802
Fresno------31,503
Georgia St--16,615
LaTech------17,525
Marshall----24,063
UMass------10,385
NewMexico-16,587
N Tex-------23,355
NIU---------10,404
ODU--------19,633
Rice---------20,172
SDSU-------31,439
S Miss------21,615
Texas St----13,115
Toledo------21,252
Troy--------24,527
UAB--------24,291
UConn-----20,924 (what we are replacing)
UTSA-------24,710
WKU--------14,231
Looking at that---after BYU, Army, and AF---your best reasonable possibility is Colorado St. New stadium. Some football success. Typically solid in basketball. The geography is viable for a single school addition. Budget is around 45 million or so if I remember correctly. It would add a new state. Boise works as well---but thats getting pretty far out there for a single school outlier. A 3 team AF, Boise, CSU is kinda intriguing. Adds a lot to the AAC---gives us late night TV content---and guts the MW of 2 of its top TV draws.
My inclination however is if we cant land BYU, Army, or AF---we might be better off standing pat. CSU appears to be the only other school that might marginally be worth it at this time---but I think standing pat might be the more prudent option.
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Does anyone from Mountain Time Zone really want to fly 1700 miles? And will fan bases on either end of that trip care?
Ok that's actually 2 questions...
Sent from my SM-G975U using Tapatalk
I know the geography part sucks donkey balls but those two programs will definitely not disappoint tv ratings.
Distance is not a problem in the age of jet travel and the internet. Pro teams routinely fly coast to coast and fans adjust. The issue is does revenue exceed cost - particularly for minor sports?
So youre comparing the NFL to a potential AAC West division game between schools 1400 to 1800 miles apart?
Please go on....
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The purpose of this thread is discussion among AAC members about a potential replacement for UConn.
RE: Who moves the needle in Football? Get’em in here
(06-23-2019 12:29 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote: Give Army a call. They might be interested this time. If they say no, I’d say Old Dominion makes sense. UAB is building a new stadium and they came back from the dead plus they have history with the vast majority of schools. Those would be the 3 schools I’d considered if I was the commissioner.
UAB? Have you lost your ever-loving mind?? Lol. I know ECU fans are really hoping to play some more games in Birmingham in front of 35 fans in an empty stadium. We don’t need any more schools with no fans
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RE: Who moves the needle in Football? Get’em in here
(06-23-2019 02:40 PM)First Mate Wrote:
(06-23-2019 12:29 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote: Give Army a call. They might be interested this time. If they say no, I’d say Old Dominion makes sense. UAB is building a new stadium and they came back from the dead plus they have history with the vast majority of schools. Those would be the 3 schools I’d considered if I was the commissioner.
UAB? Have you lost your ever-loving mind?? Lol. I know ECU fans are really hoping to play some more games in Birmingham in front of 35 fans in an empty stadium. We don’t need any more schools with no fans
I don't want to add a CUSA school...
that said UAB averaged more than UConn in football and will be moving to a new 45,000 seat stadium.
RE: Who moves the needle in Football? Get’em in here
(06-23-2019 02:43 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:
(06-23-2019 02:40 PM)First Mate Wrote:
(06-23-2019 12:29 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote: Give Army a call. They might be interested this time. If they say no, I’d say Old Dominion makes sense. UAB is building a new stadium and they came back from the dead plus they have history with the vast majority of schools. Those would be the 3 schools I’d considered if I was the commissioner.
UAB? Have you lost your ever-loving mind?? Lol. I know ECU fans are really hoping to play some more games in Birmingham in front of 35 fans in an empty stadium. We don’t need any more schools with no fans
I don't want to add a CUSA school...
that said UAB averaged more than UConn in football and will be moving to a new 45,000 seat stadium.
UConn football shouldn't be a benchmark for new membership. I love to drop 3 others from the AAC.
RE: Who moves the needle in Football? Get’em in here
(06-23-2019 02:47 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:
(06-23-2019 02:43 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:
(06-23-2019 02:40 PM)First Mate Wrote:
(06-23-2019 12:29 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote: Give Army a call. They might be interested this time. If they say no, I’d say Old Dominion makes sense. UAB is building a new stadium and they came back from the dead plus they have history with the vast majority of schools. Those would be the 3 schools I’d considered if I was the commissioner.
UAB? Have you lost your ever-loving mind?? Lol. I know ECU fans are really hoping to play some more games in Birmingham in front of 35 fans in an empty stadium. We don’t need any more schools with no fans
I don't want to add a CUSA school...
that said UAB averaged more than UConn in football and will be moving to a new 45,000 seat stadium.
UConn football shouldn't be a benchmark for new membership. I love to drop 3 others from the AAC.
I know, I'm just saying UAB is on an upward trajectory under Bill Clark...
RE: Who moves the needle in Football? Get’em in here
(06-23-2019 02:43 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:
(06-23-2019 02:40 PM)First Mate Wrote:
(06-23-2019 12:29 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote: Give Army a call. They might be interested this time. If they say no, I’d say Old Dominion makes sense. UAB is building a new stadium and they came back from the dead plus they have history with the vast majority of schools. Those would be the 3 schools I’d considered if I was the commissioner.
UAB? Have you lost your ever-loving mind?? Lol. I know ECU fans are really hoping to play some more games in Birmingham in front of 35 fans in an empty stadium. We don’t need any more schools with no fans
I don't want to add a CUSA school...
that said UAB averaged more than UConn in football and will be moving to a new 45,000 seat stadium.
That will have 16K inside it when they are playing games without a roster that has 56 25-year old seniors. That budget isnt going to grow either. I wish UAB well, but as long as Bama runs the show, UAB just doesnt have any real control over their future. Im also not too high on adding yet another CUSA 2.0 team---espcially when replacing a team that was one of the few schools that makes the conference DIFFERENT from CUSA 2.0. I think thats a very important--and extremely overlooked---criteria to consider. That said---Id keep an eye on UAB for the future--should we need a replacement for one of the AAC's former CUSA 2.0 members (as that wouldn't change the current ratio of former CUSA 2.0 teams to non-former CUSA teams) .
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RE: Who moves the needle in Football? Get’em in here
(06-23-2019 02:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:
(06-23-2019 02:43 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:
(06-23-2019 02:40 PM)First Mate Wrote:
(06-23-2019 12:29 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote: Give Army a call. They might be interested this time. If they say no, I’d say Old Dominion makes sense. UAB is building a new stadium and they came back from the dead plus they have history with the vast majority of schools. Those would be the 3 schools I’d considered if I was the commissioner.
UAB? Have you lost your ever-loving mind?? Lol. I know ECU fans are really hoping to play some more games in Birmingham in front of 35 fans in an empty stadium. We don’t need any more schools with no fans
I don't want to add a CUSA school...
that said UAB averaged more than UConn in football and will be moving to a new 45,000 seat stadium.
That will have 16K inside it when they are playing games without a roster that has 56 25-year old seniors. I wish UAB well, but as long as Bama runs the show, UAB just doesnt have any real control over their future.
they're fine in CUSA and look like they'll make a third straight bowl this season with their schedule.
I wish them well but as I already said I don't want to add a CUSA, MAC, Belt, UMass, Liberty type.
add an academy or stay at 11.
(This post was last modified: 06-23-2019 03:04 PM by UofMemphis.)
RE: Who moves the needle in Football? Get’em in here
The market theory needs to die. It doesn't matter, what matters is name recognition and pedigree. We are not adding anyone from Cusa or Belt. All the schools in those conferences do nothing for AAC perception. We will stay at 11 if Byu , Boise say no.
Also, why are people saying ODU? They are in good Market that's all. They have nothing else to offer.
RE: Who moves the needle in Football? Get’em in here
North Dakota State. I figure some of you are looking into the MWC so why not NDSU? Has a very rich and vibrant football history that is still present to this day.
RE: Who moves the needle in Football? Get’em in here
You guys are scared to death that people will realize that you've just reassembled C-USA.
Insane. People already know, and REMEMBER who you are and where you came from.
Nobody thinks you're suddenly highborn after you become ESPN's little pet project. You're still Memphis. You're still Tulane.
You're still East Carolina.
Adding Southern Miss or UAB doesn't expose your bastard status. Why are you so embarrassed about who you are? You run around screaming "P6" hoping the big kids are watching you, with your Members Only jackets and your Izod collars popped. Just stop.
Constantly telling everybody how great you are means you still haven't convinced yourselves.
You get a higher pay check than we do. Who taught you that it's okay to rub that in everybody's face? Is that the new standard for "coolness"? Were you raised by wolves? Is being a bully a status symbol? Are you guys the same way in your personal lives, or do you save the douchery for your internet friends? Do you feel better after you've reminded everyone that you were chosen, and they were not? Do you realize that as an individual, you likely had absolutely nothing to do with that? Are you aware that any thinking person who chances upon this site is left with one overriding impression, and that is simply that you guys are drowning in insecurity?
By God, I wish USM could share your money. We are in survival mode. But there are worse things than failing. Moving to the AAC changed most of you guys. You seem to be enjoying the hell out of it, but I see precious little evidence on this board of kindness, comradery, or even common decency. Everything tends towards narcissism, bragging, belittling, and ridiculing. An invite to this club would save USM financially, and would probably pay dividends for the conference for years. I suspect your actual universities aren't composed of fat delinquents living with their parents, unlike this board, but you've left a nasty impression on those you left behind. We know we didn't make the cut. Lording it over us is sick. We also know that if the roles were reversed, USM would have been lobbying hard to include Memphis, to include East Carolina, to include Tulane. Because we all go way back. Because integrity and loyalty have not been purchased by ESPN yet in our little corner.
I hope USM finds a way. I hope it's not this way.
RE: Who moves the needle in Football? Get’em in here
(06-23-2019 06:47 PM)Noodles Wrote: You guys are scared to death that people will realize that you've just reassembled C-USA.
Insane. People already know, and REMEMBER who you are and where you came from.
Nobody thinks you're suddenly highborn after you become ESPN's little pet project. You're still Memphis. You're still Tulane.
You're still East Carolina.
Adding Southern Miss or UAB doesn't expose your bastard status. Why are you so embarrassed about who you are? You run around screaming "P6" hoping the big kids are watching you, with your Members Only jackets and your Izod collars popped. Just stop.
Constantly telling everybody how great you are means you still haven't convinced yourselves.
You get a higher pay check than we do. Who taught you that it's okay to rub that in everybody's face? Is that the new standard for "coolness"? Were you raised by wolves? Is being a bully a status symbol? Are you guys the same way in your personal lives, or do you save the douchery for your internet friends? Do you feel better after you've reminded everyone that you were chosen, and they were not? Do you realize that as an individual, you likely had absolutely nothing to do with that? Are you aware that any thinking person who chances upon this site is left with one overriding impression, and that is simply that you guys are drowning in insecurity?
By God, I wish USM could share your money. We are in survival mode. But there are worse things than failing. Moving to the AAC changed most of you guys. You seem to be enjoying the hell out of it, but I see precious little evidence on this board of kindness, comradery, or even common decency. Everything tends towards narcissism, bragging, belittling, and ridiculing. An invite to this club would save USM financially, and would probably pay dividends for the conference for years. I suspect your actual universities aren't composed of fat delinquents living with their parents, unlike this board, but you've left a nasty impression on those you left behind. We know we didn't make the cut. Lording it over us is sick. We also know that if the roles were reversed, USM would have been lobbying hard to include Memphis, to include East Carolina, to include Tulane. Because we all go way back. Because integrity and loyalty have not been purchased by ESPN yet in our little corner.
I hope USM finds a way. I hope it's not this way.
Oh boo hoo.
UCF was relegated to yet another NY6 bowl while ND played in the Playoff last year despite the fact that UCF was better than ND in every possible way, including the glaring results from the common head to head opponent in Pitt. I guarantee you UCF could have scored more than 3 pathetic points against Clemson like ND did.
CFB isn't fair and it's not just anymore. I like USM but you're probably the a bad fit for the AAC right now. No amount of crying about past CUSA days and what you perceive as an injustice will change anything.
RE: Who moves the needle in Football? Get’em in here
(06-23-2019 06:47 PM)Noodles Wrote: You guys are scared to death that people will realize that you've just reassembled C-USA.
Insane. People already know, and REMEMBER who you are and where you came from.
Nobody thinks you're suddenly highborn after you become ESPN's little pet project. You're still Memphis. You're still Tulane.
You're still East Carolina.
Adding Southern Miss or UAB doesn't expose your bastard status. Why are you so embarrassed about who you are? You run around screaming "P6" hoping the big kids are watching you, with your Members Only jackets and your Izod collars popped. Just stop.
Constantly telling everybody how great you are means you still haven't convinced yourselves.
You get a higher pay check than we do. Who taught you that it's okay to rub that in everybody's face? Is that the new standard for "coolness"? Were you raised by wolves? Is being a bully a status symbol? Are you guys the same way in your personal lives, or do you save the douchery for your internet friends? Do you feel better after you've reminded everyone that you were chosen, and they were not? Do you realize that as an individual, you likely had absolutely nothing to do with that? Are you aware that any thinking person who chances upon this site is left with one overriding impression, and that is simply that you guys are drowning in insecurity?
By God, I wish USM could share your money. We are in survival mode. But there are worse things than failing. Moving to the AAC changed most of you guys. You seem to be enjoying the hell out of it, but I see precious little evidence on this board of kindness, comradery, or even common decency. Everything tends towards narcissism, bragging, belittling, and ridiculing. An invite to this club would save USM financially, and would probably pay dividends for the conference for years. I suspect your actual universities aren't composed of fat delinquents living with their parents, unlike this board, but you've left a nasty impression on those you left behind. We know we didn't make the cut. Lording it over us is sick. We also know that if the roles were reversed, USM would have been lobbying hard to include Memphis, to include East Carolina, to include Tulane. Because we all go way back. Because integrity and loyalty have not been purchased by ESPN yet in our little corner.
I hope USM finds a way. I hope it's not this way.
If USM ends up making it in 'the club' Noodles you're gonna be just like Bill Murray's character in Wild Things. He was a modest lawyer earning a modest salary until he got the big payday (multi-million dollar settlement) and now he's welcome in the club.
It will be interesting to watch how your tone towards the G4 would be if that occurs. For the record, out of all the schools in C-USA, I'm all for USM joining our little club.
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