(05-18-2020 09:30 PM)kyucat Wrote:  Correct me if I am wrong.
It seems to me I remember that under the new ESPN contract they were not going to allow UCONN women to appear on SNY network which UConn really wanted for it women’s program. That decision sealed the deal for UConn to leave. If ESPN would have allowed SNY to broadcast UConn women maybe they don’t leave.

Doubt it. UConn has always had one foot out the door whether they headed toward a P5 conference or the NBE.

(05-19-2020 08:08 AM)panite Wrote:  

(05-18-2020 09:30 PM)kyucat Wrote:  Correct me if I am wrong.
It seems to me I remember that under the new ESPN contract they were not going to allow UCONN women to appear on SNY network which UConn really wanted for it women’s program. That decision sealed the deal for UConn to leave. If ESPN would have allowed SNY to broadcast UConn women maybe they don’t leave.

Doubt it. UConn has always had one foot out the door whether they headed toward a P5 conference or the NBE.

As does every other one of the top teams in this conference. I do recall a bunch of teams drooling over a possible Big 12 invite.

(05-19-2020 10:18 AM)WhalerFan Wrote:  

(05-19-2020 08:08 AM)panite Wrote:  

(05-18-2020 09:30 PM)kyucat Wrote:  Correct me if I am wrong.
It seems to me I remember that under the new ESPN contract they were not going to allow UCONN women to appear on SNY network which UConn really wanted for it women’s program. That decision sealed the deal for UConn to leave. If ESPN would have allowed SNY to broadcast UConn women maybe they don’t leave.

Doubt it. UConn has always had one foot out the door whether they headed toward a P5 conference or the NBE.

As does every other one of the top teams in this conference. I do recall a bunch of teams drooling over a possible Big 12 invite.

Is UConn a top team? lol

Cincinnati, UCF, Memphis, Houston, and maybe SMU are the only teams that have a real shot at a P5 bid currently. UConn had their shot but got passed over by the ACC for Louisville because their football program was in the dumpster.

(05-19-2020 06:11 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  We now know UConn Fb is worth aprox 500k per year, so double that in AAC and you get 1 mil. add in 2 mil for bb and ESPN should seek a 3 mil per year cut in TV. That leaves 5mil per year for the other 11 to split plus the CFP money that UConn would have received.

If we are being even somewhat factual about it, UConn BB is actually worth at minimum 4 million (we know that since that is what Fox is paying us once we join the Big East - note that that number will go up in 2025 or could go up sooner per the TV contract if the Big East expands to 12 teams). We will call UConn football 500k since that seems fair for a team that was losing and is now an independent desperate for exposure. As you say, at minimum double that in the AAC. So, that puts UConn’s worth at a minimum of 5mm for this exercise (although it is likely in the 6mm to 7mm range in real life as hoop alone is likely worth 5.5mm and football is possibly worth near 1.5mm if we didn’t care about when and how it is aired).

So, ESPN should claw back at minimum 5mm per year from the AAC deal. I think it could be more as they likely planned on using UConn hoop content to increase ESPN+ subscriptions. Plus, sports channels are currently bleeding profits due to Covid (which may explain UConn only getting the amount that they did from CBSSN). Regardless, everyone here who was adamant that Aresco should tell ESPN to go pound sand now is all like, “Yay ESPN!”. Personally, I am glad we are done with them. Our in-state network can no longer take advantage of us. Sorry, ESPN, but there is no more “hometown discount” when it comes to UConn sports.

(05-19-2020 12:54 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(05-19-2020 06:11 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  We now know UConn Fb is worth aprox 500k per year, so double that in AAC and you get 1 mil. add in 2 mil for bb and ESPN should seek a 3 mil per year cut in TV. That leaves 5mil per year for the other 11 to split plus the CFP money that UConn would have received.

If we are being even somewhat factual about it, UConn BB is actually worth at minimum 4 million (we know that since that is what Fox is paying us once we join the Big East - note that that number will go up in 2025 or could go up sooner per the TV contract if the Big East expands to 12 teams). We will call UConn football 500k since that seems fair for a team that was losing and is now an independent desperate for exposure. As you say, at minimum double that in the AAC. So, that puts UConn’s worth at a minimum of 5mm for this exercise (although it is likely in the 6mm to 7mm range in real life as hoop alone is likely worth 5.5mm and football is possibly worth near 1.5mm if we didn’t care about when and how it is aired).

So, ESPN should claw back at minimum 5mm per year from the AAC deal. I think it could be more as they likely planned on using UConn hoop content to increase ESPN+ subscriptions. Plus, sports channels are currently bleeding profits due to Covid (which may explain UConn only getting the amount that they did from CBSSN). Regardless, everyone here who was adamant that Aresco should tell ESPN to go pound sand now is all like, “Yay ESPN!”. Personally, I am glad we are done with them. Our in-state network can no longer take advantage of us. Sorry, ESPN, but there is no more “hometown discount” when it comes to UConn sports.

Yet ESPN has not hinted at all that they are going to decrease the AAC payout at all because of UCONN. They've literally had over a year to reduce the AAC payout. Could it be that ESPN literally felt that UCONN was just worthless filler and believe that they still have the inventory from the actual programs that they deemed valuable? I'm really surprised that such a greedy entity as ESPN didn't reduce the AAC contract the day UCONN officially left. Can any of you delusional UCONN fans please explain this to me, because it appears that ESPN said " reduce their contract? Naw we're good AAC. Consider it a bonus for what you have been bringing to the table ".

(05-19-2020 12:54 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(05-19-2020 06:11 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  We now know UConn Fb is worth aprox 500k per year, so double that in AAC and you get 1 mil. add in 2 mil for bb and ESPN should seek a 3 mil per year cut in TV. That leaves 5mil per year for the other 11 to split plus the CFP money that UConn would have received.

If we are being even somewhat factual about it, UConn BB is actually worth at minimum 4 million (we know that since that is what Fox is paying us once we join the Big East - note that that number will go up in 2025 or could go up sooner per the TV contract if the Big East expands to 12 teams). We will call UConn football 500k since that seems fair for a team that was losing and is now an independent desperate for exposure. As you say, at minimum double that in the AAC. So, that puts UConn’s worth at a minimum of 5mm for this exercise (although it is likely in the 6mm to 7mm range in real life as hoop alone is likely worth 5.5mm and football is possibly worth near 1.5mm if we didn’t care about when and how it is aired).

So, ESPN should claw back at minimum 5mm per year from the AAC deal. I think it could be more as they likely planned on using UConn hoop content to increase ESPN+ subscriptions. Plus, sports channels are currently bleeding profits due to Covid (which may explain UConn only getting the amount that they did from CBSSN). Regardless, everyone here who was adamant that Aresco should tell ESPN to go pound sand now is all like, “Yay ESPN!”. Personally, I am glad we are done with them. Our in-state network can no longer take advantage of us. Sorry, ESPN, but there is no more “hometown discount” when it comes to UConn sports.

The 2 mil for BB I mentioned was BB in the AAC not the new BE deal. Actual BB is just under 2 mil for AAC and FB a bit over 5 mil. I doubled your FB value from 500k now to 1mil in AAC, and gave you a bit over the average for BB, to come up with my #s.

(05-19-2020 12:02 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-18-2020 10:49 PM)kyucat Wrote:  

(05-18-2020 10:37 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(05-18-2020 09:30 PM)kyucat Wrote:  Correct me if I am wrong.
It seems to me I remember that under the new ESPN contract they were not going to allow UCONN women to appear on SNY network which UConn really wanted for it women’s program. That decision sealed the deal for UConn to leave. If ESPN would have allowed SNY to broadcast UConn women maybe they don’t leave.

I'll correct you, you are wrong.

1) ESPN was willing to negotiate it and said so, they have done so with other properties in a similar situation.

2) Fox now owns those rights (or will when they play again) those rights are as exclusive as they were with ESPN and offer considerably less national broadcast minimums then were present in the AAC contract. Fox has shown from past properties they are not interested in sharing. Depaul women's got a handful of games on NBC Chicago and apparently was done at a fairly steep price, which Fox pocketed.

This was all about a delusional fanbase who thinks it was left behind and who firmly believes that the AAC held their basketball down. These same people think they are getting Syracuse, Pitt, and BC in the Big East, and going dtraight back to the glory days.

Take it for.what you will.

Thanks for clearing that up.

The SNY deal with Fox is done. ESPN dragged their feet. The administration felt they wanted to leverage UConn women’s hoops for ESPN+ subscriptions. Also, the women’s fan base is older and less likely to adapt to streaming. The school felt really strongly about being on linear TV and that is guaranteed to be the case now. Obviously, that’s still just one factor. Basketball ticket sales are way up for men’s hoops and UConn versus any Big East team can be a big game.

ESPN drug it’s feet? Dude, the new ESPN deal was a year and a half from having any affect on any SNY deal. You guys were in talks with the Big East literally days after the deal was signed. ESPN “dragging its feet” had nothing to do with it. Yeah, FOX has a deal with SNY—-nearly a year after you guys signed on with the Big East. Wow...they really flew into action....In the end, you guys STILL aren’t going to get a dime from SNY—FOX will get that SNY money because they own all Big East third tier rights. The revisionist history around this exit is starting to border on ridiculous.

(05-20-2020 08:20 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-19-2020 12:02 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-18-2020 10:49 PM)kyucat Wrote:  

(05-18-2020 10:37 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(05-18-2020 09:30 PM)kyucat Wrote:  Correct me if I am wrong.
It seems to me I remember that under the new ESPN contract they were not going to allow UCONN women to appear on SNY network which UConn really wanted for it women’s program. That decision sealed the deal for UConn to leave. If ESPN would have allowed SNY to broadcast UConn women maybe they don’t leave.

I'll correct you, you are wrong.

1) ESPN was willing to negotiate it and said so, they have done so with other properties in a similar situation.

2) Fox now owns those rights (or will when they play again) those rights are as exclusive as they were with ESPN and offer considerably less national broadcast minimums then were present in the AAC contract. Fox has shown from past properties they are not interested in sharing. Depaul women's got a handful of games on NBC Chicago and apparently was done at a fairly steep price, which Fox pocketed.

This was all about a delusional fanbase who thinks it was left behind and who firmly believes that the AAC held their basketball down. These same people think they are getting Syracuse, Pitt, and BC in the Big East, and going dtraight back to the glory days.

Take it for.what you will.

Thanks for clearing that up.

The SNY deal with Fox is done. ESPN dragged their feet. The administration felt they wanted to leverage UConn women’s hoops for ESPN+ subscriptions. Also, the women’s fan base is older and less likely to adapt to streaming. The school felt really strongly about being on linear TV and that is guaranteed to be the case now. Obviously, that’s still just one factor. Basketball ticket sales are way up for men’s hoops and UConn versus any Big East team can be a big game.

ESPN drug it’s feet? Dude, the new ESPN deal was a year and a half from having any affect on any SNY deal. You guys were in talks with the Big East literally days after the deal was signed. ESPN “sagging its feet” had nothing to do with it. Yeah, FOX has a deal with SNY—-nearly a year after you guys signed on with the Big East. Wow...they really flew into action....In the end, you guys STILL aren’t going to get a dime from SNY—FOX will get that SNY money because they own all Big East third tier rights. The revisionist history around this exit is starting to border on ridiculous.

(05-22-2020 11:26 AM)mikeinoki Wrote:  

(05-20-2020 08:20 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-19-2020 12:02 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  

(05-18-2020 10:49 PM)kyucat Wrote:  

(05-18-2020 10:37 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  I'll correct you, you are wrong.

1) ESPN was willing to negotiate it and said so, they have done so with other properties in a similar situation.

2) Fox now owns those rights (or will when they play again) those rights are as exclusive as they were with ESPN and offer considerably less national broadcast minimums then were present in the AAC contract. Fox has shown from past properties they are not interested in sharing. Depaul women's got a handful of games on NBC Chicago and apparently was done at a fairly steep price, which Fox pocketed.

This was all about a delusional fanbase who thinks it was left behind and who firmly believes that the AAC held their basketball down. These same people think they are getting Syracuse, Pitt, and BC in the Big East, and going dtraight back to the glory days.

Take it for.what you will.

Thanks for clearing that up.

The SNY deal with Fox is done. ESPN dragged their feet. The administration felt they wanted to leverage UConn women’s hoops for ESPN+ subscriptions. Also, the women’s fan base is older and less likely to adapt to streaming. The school felt really strongly about being on linear TV and that is guaranteed to be the case now. Obviously, that’s still just one factor. Basketball ticket sales are way up for men’s hoops and UConn versus any Big East team can be a big game.

ESPN drug it’s feet? Dude, the new ESPN deal was a year and a half from having any affect on any SNY deal. You guys were in talks with the Big East literally days after the deal was signed. ESPN “sagging its feet” had nothing to do with it. Yeah, FOX has a deal with SNY—-nearly a year after you guys signed on with the Big East. Wow...they really flew into action....In the end, you guys STILL aren’t going to get a dime from SNY—FOX will get that SNY money because they own all Big East third tier rights. The revisionist history around this exit is starting to border on ridiculous.

I want the blue pill, we get BYU/VCU, take the two Academies for football only, 20 game bb conference schedule, auto cfp access

With Uconn gone, and no renegotiation in sight to lower our espn payout, what do we average per team including our average league bowl payout ? Clearly more than $7m

(05-25-2020 02:19 PM)Greenwavedrownsacat Wrote:  With Uconn gone, and no renegotiation in sight to lower our espn payout, what do we average per team including our average league bowl payout ? Clearly more than $7m

84m for ESPN
4-5m from Navy tier
3m expected from CBS for basketball
20m~25m from CFP pay
6/7m from other bowl games
+NCAA credits

117-125m total
10.7m-12.5m for full members
70% FB pay 7.49m - 8.75m
30% Olympic 3.21m - 3.75m

(05-25-2020 06:06 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(05-25-2020 02:19 PM)Greenwavedrownsacat Wrote:  With Uconn gone, and no renegotiation in sight to lower our espn payout, what do we average per team including our average league bowl payout ? Clearly more than $7m

84m for ESPN
4-5m from Navy tier
3m expected from CBS for basketball
20m~25m from CFP pay
6/7m from other bowl games
+NCAA credits

117-125m total
10.7m-12.5m for full members
70% FB pay 7.49m - 8.75m
30% Olympic 3.21m - 3.75m

Is ESPN not renegotiating? Is there a deadline for it? If we get to keep UCONN's share that would be amazing

(05-25-2020 06:16 PM)IamYourDad Wrote:  

(05-25-2020 06:06 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(05-25-2020 02:19 PM)Greenwavedrownsacat Wrote:  With Uconn gone, and no renegotiation in sight to lower our espn payout, what do we average per team including our average league bowl payout ? Clearly more than $7m

84m for ESPN
4-5m from Navy tier
3m expected from CBS for basketball
20m~25m from CFP pay
6/7m from other bowl games
+NCAA credits

117-125m total
10.7m-12.5m for full members
70% FB pay 7.49m - 8.75m
30% Olympic 3.21m - 3.75m

Is ESPN not renegotiating? Is there a deadline for it? If we get to keep UCONN's share that would be amazing

The new contract kicks in July 1st I believe and there hasn't been a single hint that they are leaning that way. I may be off on the date a bit but its soon.

(05-25-2020 06:16 PM)IamYourDad Wrote:  

(05-25-2020 06:06 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(05-25-2020 02:19 PM)Greenwavedrownsacat Wrote:  With Uconn gone, and no renegotiation in sight to lower our espn payout, what do we average per team including our average league bowl payout ? Clearly more than $7m

84m for ESPN
4-5m from Navy tier
3m expected from CBS for basketball
20m~25m from CFP pay
6/7m from other bowl games
+NCAA credits

117-125m total
10.7m-12.5m for full members
70% FB pay 7.49m - 8.75m
30% Olympic 3.21m - 3.75m

Is ESPN not renegotiating? Is there a deadline for it? If we get to keep UCONN's share that would be amazing

There has been no deadline stated. Aresco and an ESPN official were on the same stage in December saying talks continued. I expect that $83.3M average annual value to decrease, but by slightly less than the easy button 1/12th. (Foreverandever's estimate is close enough, six-figure differences rather than seven-figure.)
AND those distributions will come in 14 months -after the 20-21 year is complete.

Since the COVID19 shutdown, Aresco said that the 19-20 year will be adjusted - the AAC was unable to deliver the AAC MBb and WBB tournaments as well as the very limited spring sports under the old contract.

Assuming any disruption to 20-21 sports seasons, the first reliable look at post-contract, post-UConn figures won't come for another 26 months or so.

(05-25-2020 06:42 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-25-2020 06:16 PM)IamYourDad Wrote:  

(05-25-2020 06:06 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(05-25-2020 02:19 PM)Greenwavedrownsacat Wrote:  With Uconn gone, and no renegotiation in sight to lower our espn payout, what do we average per team including our average league bowl payout ? Clearly more than $7m

84m for ESPN
4-5m from Navy tier
3m expected from CBS for basketball
20m~25m from CFP pay
6/7m from other bowl games
+NCAA credits

117-125m total
10.7m-12.5m for full members
70% FB pay 7.49m - 8.75m
30% Olympic 3.21m - 3.75m

Is ESPN not renegotiating? Is there a deadline for it? If we get to keep UCONN's share that would be amazing

There has been no deadline stated. Aresco and an ESPN official were on the same stage in December saying talks continued. I expect that $83.3M average annual value to decrease, but by slightly less than the easy button 1/12th. (Foreverandever's estimate is close enough, six-figure differences rather than seven-figure.)
AND those distributions will come in 14 months -after the 20-21 year is complete.

Since the COVID19 shutdown, Aresco said that the 19-20 year will be adjusted - the AAC was unable to deliver the AAC MBb and WBB tournaments as well as the very limited spring sports under the old contract.

Assuming any disruption to 20-21 sports seasons, the first reliable look at post-contract, post-UConn figures won't come for another 26 months or so.

I suspect money is less of an issue than broadcast windows. With less inventory to choose from, they may want to cut back on ABC/ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU windows for football/basketball. They almost certainly will be less windows for womens basketball in the revised deal.

(05-25-2020 07:21 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-25-2020 06:42 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-25-2020 06:16 PM)IamYourDad Wrote:  

(05-25-2020 06:06 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(05-25-2020 02:19 PM)Greenwavedrownsacat Wrote:  With Uconn gone, and no renegotiation in sight to lower our espn payout, what do we average per team including our average league bowl payout ? Clearly more than $7m

84m for ESPN
4-5m from Navy tier
3m expected from CBS for basketball
20m~25m from CFP pay
6/7m from other bowl games
+NCAA credits

117-125m total
10.7m-12.5m for full members
70% FB pay 7.49m - 8.75m
30% Olympic 3.21m - 3.75m

Is ESPN not renegotiating? Is there a deadline for it? If we get to keep UCONN's share that would be amazing

There has been no deadline stated. Aresco and an ESPN official were on the same stage in December saying talks continued. I expect that $83.3M average annual value to decrease, but by slightly less than the easy button 1/12th. (Foreverandever's estimate is close enough, six-figure differences rather than seven-figure.)
AND those distributions will come in 14 months -after the 20-21 year is complete.

Since the COVID19 shutdown, Aresco said that the 19-20 year will be adjusted - the AAC was unable to deliver the AAC MBb and WBB tournaments as well as the very limited spring sports under the old contract.

Assuming any disruption to 20-21 sports seasons, the first reliable look at post-contract, post-UConn figures won't come for another 26 months or so.

I suspect money is less of an issue than broadcast windows. With less inventory to choose from, they may want to cut back on ABC/ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU windows for football/basketball. They almost certainly will be less windows for womens basketball in the revised deal.

Agreed.
If the contract value is 75% football, slhNavy's posting value is at least 91% football - for clear reasons.

Of course timeslots and viewers pretty quickly get to dollars.

As I recall there were 13 WBB slots on ESPN linear networks. Obviously the intent for those was largely UConn.
Similar for MBB linear slots - even if they were in the middle of the AAC standings, the UConn MBB brand was a big value,. Husky MBB and WBB would have been counted on for some ESPN+ as well, to garner subscription money.
My SWAGs of $4.5M to $5.5M for UConn's contract value tried to account for those.

It highlights overall that the adjustment talks are about these details. Neither side is hitting the 1/12th easy button. (I know you realize that, Attackcoog, I just continue to be amazed at all the posters on this and other CSNbbs fora who remain fixated on 1/12th.)

What happens if ESPN comes back with a # we don't agree with, and if we refuse to take a cut can the contract be voided?

That would only happen if we had some kind of backdoor secret offer.

Maybe ESPN doesn't want to take a chance, because the length of the deal is so valuable.

(05-25-2020 08:09 PM)Crowleys Ridge Tiger Wrote:  What happens if ESPN comes back with a # we don't agree with, and if we refuse to take a cut can the contract be voided?

That would only happen if we had some kind of backdoor secret offer.

Maybe ESPN doesn't want to take a chance, because the length of the deal is so valuable.

Contract is voided and we all get banned from playing football at any level

An agreement will happen. My guess it will be a bit over a full BB/WB share and 1/2 of FB share. Some where around 4.5 to 5 mil.. per year. Current schools gain a couple hundred K per year and ESPN is made whole.

(05-26-2020 06:47 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  An agreement will happen. My guess it will be a bit over a full BB/WB share and 1/2 of FB share. Some where around 4.5 to 5 mil.. per year. Current schools gain a couple hundred K per year and ESPN is made whole.

Over the length of the contract? I just don't see this if football resumes as normal after this year. If the economy does not come back, yes, but it would be an effect on all other contracts.