(12-26-2019 02:29 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 01:48 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 12:45 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  I don't know enough about everyone to make a solid decision on top to bottom rankings.

I will say this...

Those of you ranking us near the middle of the pack beware.

-Our worst deficit in a loss was an 8 point loss to Ohio St., who I believe is up to being ranked two or three right now.
-We lost one game in OT when if just one of the 24 free throws we missed goes in, we win.
-One of our losses was our bi-annual surrender at Xavier, where even our best teams lose.
-One loss was due to a complete mental lock up and a ridiculous foul call, which gave the other team their winning point.

… all of which have occurred with us getting basically nothing from what is clearly our best player.

Not excuses, just sayin'.

If Cumberland decides to flick the switch and start playing I, uhh… don't think we end up in the middle of the pack.

Not excuses .... Just uhhh ...... excuses ....

Is anything I said not factual ?

An excuse is something that comes after someone says something is going to happen and when it doesn't happen, they try to give a lame reason for it.

... like someone joining a conference and them saying they're going to come in there kicking @$$ and taking names and now it's two years into it and they haven't won jack sh!t.

Sounds like Cincy after they get in the tourney!

(12-26-2019 02:29 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 01:48 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 12:45 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  I don't know enough about everyone to make a solid decision on top to bottom rankings.

I will say this...

Those of you ranking us near the middle of the pack beware.

-Our worst deficit in a loss was an 8 point loss to Ohio St., who I believe is up to being ranked two or three right now.
-We lost one game in OT when if just one of the 24 free throws we missed goes in, we win.
-One of our losses was our bi-annual surrender at Xavier, where even our best teams lose.
-One loss was due to a complete mental lock up and a ridiculous foul call, which gave the other team their winning point.

… all of which have occurred with us getting basically nothing from what is clearly our best player.

Not excuses, just sayin'.

If Cumberland decides to flick the switch and start playing I, uhh… don't think we end up in the middle of the pack.

Not excuses .... Just uhhh ...... excuses ....

Is anything I said not factual ?

An excuse is something that comes after someone says something is going to happen and when it doesn't happen, they try to give a lame reason for it.

... like someone joining a conference and them saying they're going to come in there kicking @$$ and taking names and now it's two years into it and they haven't won jack sh!t.

Issues.

(12-26-2019 03:20 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 01:48 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 12:45 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  I don't know enough about everyone to make a solid decision on top to bottom rankings.

I will say this...

Those of you ranking us near the middle of the pack beware.

-Our worst deficit in a loss was an 8 point loss to Ohio St., who I believe is up to being ranked two or three right now.
-We lost one game in OT when if just one of the 24 free throws we missed goes in, we win.
-One of our losses was our bi-annual surrender at Xavier, where even our best teams lose.
-One loss was due to a complete mental lock up and a ridiculous foul call, which gave the other team their winning point.

… all of which have occurred with us getting basically nothing from what is clearly our best player.

Not excuses, just sayin'.

If Cumberland decides to flick the switch and start playing I, uhh… don't think we end up in the middle of the pack.

... like someone joining a conference and them saying they're going to come in there kicking @$$ and taking names and now it's two years into it and they haven't won jack sh!t.

You are what your record says you are. Cincy is 7-5.

Temple has excuses for its three losses too, but doesn't change a thing.

Doesn't change a thing about Cincy's OOC record, but it's not uncommon for a team to improve by mid-season. USF is an example of a team that has turned itself around and has begun playing good basketball after a wretched start.

A related point is that analyzing the reasons for early season losses can permit reasonable inferences about how the season may unfold. In Cincy's case, their fate may depend largely on whether or not Cumberland's hip condition improves, and whether they can gel as a unit, with fine tuning by their HC, and learn how to play Brennan's style of basketball more effectively.

Since Temple was mentioned, their 3 losses are partly attributable to:

1) Injuries to sole true Center (4 games; 8 mpg) and expected impact player (SG/W; hasn't yet played). Both are likely to play in January.
2) Four scholarship players weren't able to play in a loss to Missouri, due to injuries, which also limited the capabilities of 2 players (0 pts, total 15 min.) in a 1 point loss to Miami (FL).
3) Two transfers were adversely affected during the first half of the OOC schedule, by rust after a RS year and a delayed waiver.

(12-26-2019 03:27 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 03:15 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 12:45 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  I don't know enough about everyone to make a solid decision on top to bottom rankings.

I will say this...

Those of you ranking us near the middle of the pack beware.

-Our worst deficit in a loss was an 8 point loss to Ohio St., who I believe is up to being ranked two or three right now.
-We lost one game in OT when if just one of the 24 free throws we missed goes in, we win.
-One of our losses was our bi-annual surrender at Xavier, where even our best teams lose.
-One loss was due to a complete mental lock up and a ridiculous foul call, which gave the other team their winning point.

… all of which have occurred with us getting basically nothing from what is clearly our best player.

Not excuses, just sayin'.

If Cumberland decides to flick the switch and start playing I, uhh… don't think we end up in the middle of the pack.

Those were literally all excuses lol.

That said, I understand your point. The ranking here is for how you would do it at this moment, not based on potential. Our potential is much higher than the middle of the conference IMO, but where we are now, I think we are in an interchangeable 4-6 range with UConn and temple.

An excuse usually includes the word "because".

Then you are just playing with semantics. In short you are 7-5 because: (what you stated highlighted in bold)

SMU is not undefeated because we played poorly against Georgetown and couldn't make free throws down the stretch with a 5 point lead at Georgia. We should be able to beat Vanderbilt and then win 10+ games in conference play keeping with the mantra that Jankovich is just good enough not to be fireable.

what the All Conference awards look like going into conference play

* essential lock for the end of the season baring a collapse

1st team:
Precious Achiuwa (Mem) *
Quentin Grimes (Hou)
Nate Pierre Louis (Tem)
Isiaha Mike (SMU)
Jayden Gardner (ECU)

POY: Grimes <-- no one remotely close to being a lock, no clear favorite

All Freshman:
Precious Achiuwa (Mem) *
Caleb Mills (Hou)
Tyson Etienne (Wich)
Akok Akok (UConn)
D.J. Jeffries (Mem)

FOY: Precious Achiuwa (Mem) <--- pretty much a lock, only caleb mills (averaged 17per since starting) with a realistic chance to push...maybe James bouknight if he is elevated to starter

Summary: no one but precious has solid foundation on the conference awards, and even he doesn't score that much...gardner has the best stats in the conference by a margin but his team is horrible and coaches are voting for players on a horrible team..likely the 1st drop if someone else moves up

Pesik's Mid season superlatives

Biggest returning player disappointment: Jarron Cumberland (uc)
Biggest freshmen disappointment: Zach Harvey (uc)
Biggsest newcomer non freshmen disappointment: Tie- Matt Milon (UCF) Monty Scott (Temple)

Most improved - Nate Hinton (UH)
Biggest Freshman surprise- Darian Green (UCF)
Best Newcomer (we weren't expecting to be good) - Teshaun Hightower (Tulane)

I'd put Sherfield as WSUs best Freshman ..not Etienne .. even though Etienne has been great

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I think Mika Adams Woods has to the biggest freshman surprise.

I don’t think it’s all that close tbh. No quibbles with really any of the others, it’s so up in the air right now.

(12-26-2019 08:57 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  I'd put Sherfield as WSUs best Freshman ..not Etienne .. even though Etienne has been great

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i voted how i thought the coaches would not, not no much who was better..
uconn fans would argue james bouknight hhas been better than akok too..

but etienne is top 5 amoung freshman in scoring, while shooting 46% from 3 while also being top 5 in 3pt attempts.. no one in the aac (of any class) is even remotely close to those shooting numbers

akok akok is on pace to shatter the aac block record, while being a freshman

Also Erik Stevenson has to be in the conversation for most improved

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(12-26-2019 09:17 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 08:57 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  I'd put Sherfield as WSUs best Freshman ..not Etienne .. even though Etienne has been great

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i voted how i thought the coaches would not, not no much who was better..
uconn fans would argue james bouknight hhas been better than akok too..

but etienne is top 5 amoung freshman in scoring, while shooting 46% from 3 while also being op 5 in 3pt attempts.. no one in the aac (of any class) is even remotely close to those shooting numbers

akok akok is on pace to shatter the aac block record, while being a freshman

If the coaches just look at stat sheets ... Sure ...

We don't beat OU and maybe VCU without Sherfield. He steadied the ship in critical parts of both games

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(12-26-2019 08:59 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  I think Mika Adams Woods has to the biggest freshman surprise.

I don’t think it’s all that close tbh. No quibbles with really any of the others, it’s so up in the air right now.

MAW would have ended up at a high major if not UC and with the lack of PG at UC you expected him to play .. he is probably second on the list, his impact is alot bigger than expected but ..

but darin green for ucf would have been at a mid major had he not picked up a UCF offer..and with the amount of Transfers ucf got (mostly guards) no one would have projected him to play at all..but yet he has not only played but for most of the season started over a a&m transfer (who was a starter), a mid major grad transfer (with p5 offers), and a senior returnee

his last 2 games werent great but before that was looking like the best guard on UCF's roster

(12-26-2019 09:28 AM)BFieldHusky Wrote:  Here is where I would put the teams so far. Not using NET, KenPom or any other metrics as I still think it is a little early for those.

1. WSU
2. Memphis
3. Houston
4. UConn
5. Temple
6. Cincinnati
7. FIRE JANK
8. UCF
9. Tulsa
10. Tulane
11. USF
12. East Carolina

I don't see anyone below Cincy with a chance at the tournament unless they win the conference tournament.

FIFY

Nobody is going to want play USF in conference play.

It lost Yetna the night before the season opener but it is starting to figure out how to play without him.

It is going to win a lot of games through defense.

I recognize AAC has some pretty impressive 5 - 7 solid basketball programs but to early for me to rank. That being said of the bunch I am going to call out Tulane as the most improved and one that shouldn't be overlooked in conference play.

(12-26-2019 10:23 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  Nobody is going to want play USF in conference play.

It lost Yetna the night before the season opener but it is starting to figure out how to play without him.

It is going to win a lot of games through defense.

Right on target. USF is playing like a totally different team then they were coming out of the gate.

Would not be surprising to see the Bulls split their series with all but the top 2-3 teams in the conference and pick up a couple/few road wins. They can play like they've got nothing to lose and everything to gain.

(12-26-2019 09:28 AM)BFieldHusky Wrote:  .
Here is where I would put the teams so far. Not using NET, KenPom or any other metrics as I still think it is a little early for those.

1. WSU
2. Memphis
3. Houston
4. UConn
5. Temple
6. Cincinnati
7. FIRE JANK
8. UCF
9. Tulsa
10. Tulane
11. USF
12. East Carolina

I don't see anyone below Cincy with a chance at the tournament unless they win the conference tournament.

Yes, but are SMU, UCF, Tulsa, Tulane, and USF all "below Cincy?"

(12-27-2019 07:22 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  

(12-26-2019 10:23 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  Nobody is going to want play USF in conference play.

It lost Yetna the night before the season opener but it is starting to figure out how to play without him.

It is going to win a lot of games through defense.

Right on target. USF is playing like a totally different team then they were coming out of the gate.

Would not be surprising to see the Bulls split their series with all but the top 2-3 teams in the conference and pick up a couple/few road wins. They can play like they've got nothing to lose and everything to gain.

And that'll probably kill a few tournament resumes.