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RE: ***AAC Games from 12/30/19 (Monday) though 1/5/20 (Sunday)***
(01-05-2020 02:26 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(01-05-2020 01:35 PM)Miggy Wrote:  
(01-05-2020 01:10 PM)pesik Wrote:  
(01-05-2020 12:55 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  But you Pesik deserve each other so have fun.

you randomly attack me..and i dont get why..everytime me and you get into it, it almost has nothing to do with you at all..you just randomly come in and through insults at me, in a convo with nothing to do with tulsa or you

last time miggy was saying temple was the most talented and best team in the aac and i was disagreeing also noting that temples big play has to improve (which he thought was fine)..and you come in with the pesik thinks he knows more than the fans jab... (ignoring that the other temple fans in the forum agreed with me)

What I find so offensive is that as soon as I picked Temple, right out of the gate you called me a “homer” to undermine my pick. I’m anything but a homer as I’ve been critical of Temple bb now and in the past.

thats not true at all...i was perfectly fine with you picking temple first..your justification for picking was what was homer..

i told you i could buy temple being really good if you were trying to sell me on NPL and Rose getting better and both having 1st team all conference seasons..i said thats within the realm of realistic possibilities..but thats not what you said

you are a homer, and not because you picked temple but because you say and do homer things

--you said monty scott was better than shizz alston (a 19pt per all -aac player), that scott was an elite unstoppable scorer, that he IS better than almost all of the guards in the conference. this was AFTER we saw him barely produce in the Bahamas...which you made excuses for "prepping to be the point guard" (he hasnt played point this season)--- Reality - Monty Scott on a per possession basis-he is currently the second worst statistical non freshman guard in the ENTIRE conference (matt milon is the worst)--even though we warned you mid-major stats dont hold in the AAC --100% of every guard you said scott was better than, is drastically better than scott

- you said temple was the best 3pt shooting team in the conference and had the deepest amount of shooters in the conference..--temple is horrific shooting team.. your head coach says you are bad 3pt shooting team

- you said temple would be putting up 80pt per game and would lead the conference in scoring- temple is the 2nd worst offense in the conference

i told you that you badly interpret stats...i told you interpreting sub 4pt per players percentages into the equation of good shooters is bad, they likely have a small sample size

-- you think temple has the deepest team in the aac- which you dont, or even close...you are reliant on specific players to produce unlike multi aac teams

-other bad takes: jp mooremans percentages arent holding with more responsibility
justin hamiltyn is a kevin durant like with perimeter potential

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this one is active- that you still currently say..you say devondre perry is the best shooter in the conference..ingnoring he is a career 28% 3pt shooter..and the 50% he started the season with was from a small sample size ... good shooter is one thing to say but "best shooter"

Most Temple players who shot well last season are shooting worse this season. A good analyst realizes they have peel back the onion skin to find out why. You should first attempt that before accusing me of not interpreting Temple’s stats correcting.

You should hacmve considered what effect Temple’s new coach had on Temple going from shooting almost 50 percent on two’s last season, to only shooting 46.3 percent on two’s this season? Was such they result in his putting in a new half court offense?

It’s clear Thatv new HC McKie has put in an excellent new pressure defense that has led to opponents shooting percentages to drop a lot, and for opponents to average 10-less ppg than they did last season.

You should dig deeper also ask if Temple’s pressure defense is so good, that it has created easy baskets off of Temple steals, and fast breaks off missed shots and defensive rebounds? The answer is yes.

Then you should ask why if the later is true, why has Temple’s two-point shooting percentage dropped so dramatically from last season? Would it be even be lower but for the times Temple employs it’s pressure defense? The answer is yes.

You should have looked at last year’s stats and seen that NPL, Rose, Moorman, D.Moore and Hamilton, have all seen their shooting percentages drop a lot from last season. That’s because Temple does not run a motion offense as it did last season, and instead runs what looks like an AAU summer offense that features passing the ball on the perimeter and into the low post. Few bac-cut or picks.

The half court offense doesn’t work for Rose and NPL scoring at the hoop. They succeed mainly when Temple’s pressure defense is applied. Both are awful shooting three’s Weren’t good last season shooting three’s.

Temple’s good three-point shooters this season are Alani Moore, Dre Perry Perry, and Jp Moorman. They’re catch and shoot players who can succeed in any half court offense. Temple doesn’t get enough from Moorman as he doesn’t shoot often enough, nor from Perry, as he doesn’t play enough. I was confident that Perry,A.Moore, and Moorman would shoot three’s well this season.

Perry played hurt last year, but shot three’s very well in conference play his freshman year. Both Alani and Moorman shot three’s over 40 percent in conference play last season.

I was counting on them and others to propel Temple to success this season. Also, was hoping that Rose and Nate would play a little better than season in conference play.But didn’t realize how bad Temple’s half-court sets would be. would be.

My mistake was believing that Temple would run it’s motion offense this season, and that Temple’s best shooters would play and shoot the most, ,and those who did not shoot as well, would playand shoot less.

By all accounts, Scott has been outstanding in team scrimmages the last two years. Alston has told others he could get to hoop anytime he wanted to. Coaches said in interviews he is an outstanding offensive player. His team often won in team scrimmage against the first team. His performances two years ago at his prior school, playing against the nation’s best teams ( he was often double-teamed) shows that.

It appears in games this season that he’s not incorporated in half-court sets. He often passes the ball, and doesn’t see it again.

It’s regrettable that you derive your insight by looking at current stats, not by looking at what a particular team does or doesn’t do on the court., not comparing returning players stats to prior years, or looking at the impact a new coach has on a particular team.

Do remember you highlighted and questioned Temple’s rebounding, that has turned out to be ok. And telling readers that Temple isn’t bringing in any impact players HC may disagree as one incoming recruit next season hit 7 three’s in one game recently.

Like reading what you have to say about Houston. Just wish you would stick to that.
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miggy, you just made a page long full of bad excuses ..really bad excuses

you constantly question my knowledge, when almost every single thing i said about temple preseason ended up mostly correct..and everything you said about temple was flat wrong ... this is what i dont get, you are doubting my analysis on temple when everything i said about temple ended up true

sidenote: I highlighted and question temples rebounding FROM THE BIGS...(before forrester was eligible) i said your bigs were soft..i said i questioned the defense and rebounding from THE BIGS which was what our debate was about and you started bringing up 2pt% stats .. i wasnt talking about all of you players I was aware NPL could rebound and defend...and you had a negative rebounding margin before Forrester ...for what its worth i dont think forrester is soft at all, the most gritty big you have..he is just very uncoordinated <--this conversation was before he was eligible
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(01-05-2020 10:46 PM)pesik Wrote:  I highlighted and question temples rebounding FROM THE BIGS...(before forrester was eligible) i said your bigs were soft..i said i questioned the defense and rebounding from THE BIGS

...I was aware NPL could rebound and defend...and you had a negative rebounding margin before Forrester ...for what its worth i dont think forrester is soft at all, the most gritty big you have..he is just very uncoordinated <--this conversation was before he was eligible


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Statistics on team rebounding and overall play by Temple's big men:

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Temple: 40.62 rebounds per game (2019-20, to date).*

Opponents: 36.77 rebounds per game (2019-20, to date).

*6.2 rpg increase over the team's average of 34.42 rpg in 2018-19.

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F/C Player Statistics (in order of pts+rbs+asts+stls+blocks per min. of action):

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6'11" Senior Center Damion Moore: (Total minutes played, to date: 36)

Moore has missed 8 games, and his mpg limited, due to a back injury.

5 games: [i]7.2 mpg, 2.6 ppg, 3.4 rbg; FG2% .333; FT% .750

PER 40 MINUTES OF ACTION: 14.4 pts, 18.9 rb, 1.1 ast, 0 stl, 2.2 blocks

total pts,rb,ast,stl, + blk per minute of action = 0.915 positive stats per min.

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6'9" RS Soph. PF Jake Forrester (Total minutes played, to date: 165)

9 games (game 5 waiver): 18.3 mpg, 7.9 ppg, 4.7 rbg; FG2% .625; FT% .500

PER 40 MINUTES OF ACTION: 17.2 pts, 10.2 rb, 0.5 ast, 1 stl, 0.5 blocks

total pts,rb,ast,stl, + blk per minute of action = 0.735 positive stats per min.

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DeVondre Perry (6'7" JR PF) (Total minutes played, to date: 234)

13 games: 18.0 mpg, 7.3 ppg, 2.8 rbg; FG2% .545; FG3% .459; FT% .800

PER 40 MINUTES OF ACTION: 16.2 pts, 6.3 rb, 1.4 ast, 1.4 stl, 1.4 blk

total pts,rb,ast,stl, + blk per minute of action = 0.668 positive stats per min.

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Arashma Parks (6'9" RS FR PF) (Total minutes played, to date: 92)

11 games: 8.4 mpg, 2.7 ppg, 2.6 rbg; FG2% .571; FT% .545

PER 40 MINUTES OF ACTION: 13.0 pts, 12.6 rb, 0 ast, 0.4 stl, 0.4 blk

total pts,rb,ast,stl, + blk per minute of action = 0.660 positive stats per min.

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Justyn Hamilton (6'10" JR PF) (Total minutes played, to date: 147)

12 games: 12.3 mpg, 4.3 ppg, 2.2 rbg; FG2% .350; FG3% .167; FT% .471

PER 40 MINUTES OF ACTION: 13.9 pts, 7.1 rb, 0 ast, 1.1 stl, 1.4 blk

total pts,rb,ast,stl, + blk per minute of action = 0.588 positive stats per min.

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J.P. Moorman (6'7" JR PF) (Minutes played, to date: 354)

13 games: 27.2 mpg, 5.5 ppg, 5.8 rbg; FG2% .412; FG3% .324; FT% .583

PER 40 MINUTES OF ACTION: 8.0 pts, 8.5 rb, 3.3 ast, 0.7 stl, 0.6 blk

total pts,rb,ast,stl, + blk per minute of action = 0.532 positive stats per min.

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https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sch.../2020.html

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NOTES:

--The most productive F/C on the team - - in terms of # of pts,rb,ast,stl, & blks per minute of action - - has had the least playing time (36 minutes, due to injury) to date, while the least productive F/C on the team, per minute of action, has played (345 minutes; 27.2 mpg).

----Despite playing more productively on a per minute basis, the five other big men on the team have played, on average, only 134.8 minutes this season (10.36 mpg).

--Among Temple's big men who have played at least 10 games, Arashma Parks is the most effective rebounder, to date, with an average of 12.6 rebounds per 40 minutes played. However, due to playing only 8.4 mpg, his per game average is only 2.7 rpg.
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RE: ***AAC Games from 12/30/19 (Monday) though 1/5/20 (Sunday)***
(01-05-2020 11:32 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  .
(01-05-2020 10:46 PM)pesik Wrote:  I highlighted and question temples rebounding FROM THE BIGS...(before forrester was eligible) i said your bigs were soft..i said i questioned the defense and rebounding from THE BIGS

...I was aware NPL could rebound and defend...and you had a negative rebounding margin before Forrester ...for what its worth i dont think forrester is soft at all, the most gritty big you have..he is just very uncoordinated <--this conversation was before he was eligible


Good post JedClampett.
Statistics on team rebounding and overall play by Temple's big men:

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Temple: 40.62 rebounds per game (2019-20, to date).*

Opponents: 36.77 rebounds per game (2019-20, to date).

*6.2 rpg increase over the team's average of 34.42 rpg in 2018-19.

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F/C Player Statistics (in order of pts+rbs+asts+stls+blocks per min. of action):

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6'11" Senior Center Damion Moore: (Total minutes played, to date: 36)

Moore has missed 8 games, and his mpg limited, due to a back injury.

5 games: [i]7.2 mpg, 2.6 ppg, 3.4 rbg; FG2% .333; FT% .750

PER 40 MINUTES OF ACTION: 14.4 pts, 18.9 rb, 1.1 ast, 0 stl, 2.2 blocks

total pts,rb,ast,stl, + blk per minute of action = 0.915 positive stats per min.

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6'9" RS Soph. PF Jake Forrester (Total minutes played, to date: 165)

9 games (game 5 waiver): 18.3 mpg, 7.9 ppg, 4.7 rbg; FG2% .625; FT% .500

PER 40 MINUTES OF ACTION: 17.2 pts, 10.2 rb, 0.5 ast, 1 stl, 0.5 blocks

total pts,rb,ast,stl, + blk per minute of action = 0.735 positive stats per min.

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DeVondre Perry (6'7" JR PF) (Total minutes played, to date: 234)

13 games: 18.0 mpg, 7.3 ppg, 2.8 rbg; FG2% .545; FG3% .459; FT% .800

PER 40 MINUTES OF ACTION: 16.2 pts, 6.3 rb, 1.4 ast, 1.4 stl, 1.4 blk

total pts,rb,ast,stl, + blk per minute of action = 0.668 positive stats per min.

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Arashma Parks (6'9" RS FR PF) (Total minutes played, to date: 92)

11 games: 8.4 mpg, 2.7 ppg, 2.6 rbg; FG2% .571; FT% .545

PER 40 MINUTES OF ACTION: 13.0 pts, 12.6 rb, 0 ast, 0.4 stl, 0.4 blk

total pts,rb,ast,stl, + blk per minute of action = 0.660 positive stats per min.

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.
Justyn Hamilton (6'10" JR PF) (Total minutes played, to date: 147)

12 games: 12.3 mpg, 4.3 ppg, 2.2 rbg; FG2% .350; FG3% .167; FT% .471

PER 40 MINUTES OF ACTION: 13.9 pts, 7.1 rb, 0 ast, 1.1 stl, 1.4 blk

total pts,rb,ast,stl, + blk per minute of action = 0.588 positive stats per min.

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J.P. Moorman (6'7" JR PF) (Minutes played, to date: 354)

13 games: 27.2 mpg, 5.5 ppg, 5.8 rbg; FG2% .412; FG3% .324; FT% .583

PER 40 MINUTES OF ACTION: 8.0 pts, 8.5 rb, 3.3 ast, 0.7 stl, 0.6 blk

total pts,rb,ast,stl, + blk per minute of action = 0.532 positive stats per min.

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https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/sch.../2020.html

=======================================================

NOTES:

--The most productive F/C on the team - - in terms of # of pts,rb,ast,stl, & blks per minute of action - - has had the least playing time (36 minutes, due to injury) to date, while the least productive F/C on the team, per minute of action, has played (345 minutes; 27.2 mpg).

----Despite playing more productively on a per minute basis, the five other big men on the team have played, on average, only 134.8 minutes this season (10.36 mpg).

--Among Temple's big men who have played at least 10 games, Arashma Parks is the most effective rebounder, to date, with an average of 12.6 rebounds per 40 minutes played. However, due to playing only 8.4 mpg, his per game average is only 2.7 rpg.

Good post JedClampett.

Temple’s bigs last season didn’t defend the rim, and this season they are, and were doing so before Forrester even starting playing. Opponents field goal percentage has dropped significantly from last season as opponents are shooting only 37.6 percent, the 18th lowest field goal percentage in the country. Temple’s defense is simply one of best in the nation.

How Pesik can fail to mention that, but instead deflects attention by speaking about rebounding is a head-scratcher. Seems like he just see’s the trees, not the forest.

How Pesik can complain about Temple’s bigs when opponents are averaging only 62.5 ppg is being me.

Not sure he knows object of game is to keep opponents from scoring. Once you do that, team gets more defensive rebounds. That’s what Temple has done this season long before Forrester starting playing. To mention negative rebounding is ludicrous.
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(01-06-2020 06:51 AM)Miggy Wrote:  
(01-05-2020 11:32 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  .
[quote='pesik' pid='16591426' dateline='1578282403']

I highlighted and question temples rebounding FROM THE BIGS...(before forrester was eligible) i said your bigs were soft..i said i questioned the defense and rebounding from THE BIGS

...I was aware NPL could rebound and defend...and you had a negative rebounding margin before Forrester ...for what its worth i dont think forrester is soft at all, the most gritty big you have..he is just very uncoordinated <--this conversation was before he was eligible



Good post...

Temple’s bigs last season didn’t defend the rim, and this season they are, and were doing so before Forrester even starting playing.

Opponents field goal percentage has dropped significantly from last season as opponents are shooting only 37.6 percent, the 18th lowest field goal percentage in the country. Temple’s defense is simply one of best in the nation.

Ok. I'm not taking sides in the discussion, just presenting pertinent data.

I would add that Coach McKie deserves to get some genuine credit for the positive improvements he has made - - despite the loss of Temple's top player and it's starting Center to graduation (and also, their only true Center this season) this year - - mainly, improved defense, rebounding, and getting enough assists out of the back court now that they are deprived of Alston's 5 apg.

McKie also deserves kudos for increasing the team's average scoring margin from 3.2 ppg last season to 7.3 ppg, to date, this season.

As a result of McKie's surprisingly good coaching, in his first season as a HC, the Owls are ranked among the top 50 or 60 teams in the country, and as high as #25 in the RPI, with an S.O.S. rank of #11. That's as good as, or better than the vast majority of Temple fans could have hoped for, heading into this season.

Having said that, he is a first year Head Coach, and so it's not surprising that some opposing coaches can come up with ways to exploit the Owls' limitations. Moreover, although the team has some talented players, it has been plagued by injuries, and both of the starting big men (Moorman and Hamilton) have let the team down repeatedly with their poor or inconsistent play, so far this season. Hamilton has had to have his minutes cut in half, and the only reason why Moorman may deserve to remain in the starting lineup is that he distributes the ball well to the interior, while his defense and rebounding have improved.

Having said that, a strong case can be made that (unless Damion Moore comes back at full strength), perhaps, Forrester and Perry should start at the 4 and 5 positions, with Moorman, Hamilton, and Parks being the backups.

Either that, or if Moorman continues to start along with Forrester, then perhaps his minutes might be cut back to ~19 mpg, with Perry playing ~26 mpg, and adjustments made from game to game.

Alani Moore has also been streaky and very inconsistent, overall. While there is no other guard who can take his place in the starting lineup, his productivity isn't even B+ quality at this point. He's been hitting only 33% of his two point shots. Shizz Alston scored nearly twice as many ppg last year as Moore has done.

Replacing Alani with Shizz in the starting lineup, all by itself, might be enough to keep the Owls out of the NCAA this season. Although you haven't yet alluded to this important factor, one of the reasons why Quinton and Nate are scoring 6 fewer ppg this season is that they're no longer on the receiving end of Alston's passes.

Ya' can't blame the coach for that! Alani's not getting them the ball in scoring position, and he's not enough of a scorer to keep defenders from swarming Q and NPL.

It would do wonders, of course, if Scott were to be to score in double figures each game, as had been expected. The only real bright spot in the back court (beyond the good overall (other than scoring) play of Rose and NPL) is the surprisingly good - and improving - play of JPL.

McKie may have to give him a lot more playing time going forward, since Scott has been relatively ineffective, and now has to recover from a sprained ankle. But, if NPL's shooting slump and Alani's poor shooting from 2 point range continue much longer, the starting guards are going to need more help than that, and it will have to come from Scott and/or new Damian Dunn (with only one game under his belt) in the coming weeks.

In terms of scoring, one thing that hasn't been mentioned is that Temple's PFs (plus 36 total minutes from Center D. Moore) have scored approximately 28 ppg, to date, correcting for games missed. This represents a ~6 ppg (i.e., approximately 27%) improvement over the ~22 ppg scored by Temple's big men last season.

This needed shift from back court to front court scoring has, no doubt, been overseen by Coach McKie and his staff, in view of the fact that Temple's most prolific 3 point scorer - Alston - is no longer with the team, taken together with the fact that the 3 point line is 10.5" farther away from the basket this season.

Indeed, Temple's coaches were right to be concerned about the impact of these two factors on the team's 3 point shooting, given that the Owls have only hit 32.5% of their 3 point attempts this season (the equivalent of hitting .487 of total 2 point attempts), after having previously hit 35.3% of their 3 point shots (the equivalent of hitting 52.9% of their 2 point attempts) last season. That's enough of a drop-off to lose the team a couple of games.


Bringing the focus back to what Coach McKie may need to do to get the team to the NCAA tournament, or at least to the NIT, he and his staff may need to do some more intensive work with Nate, to help him get back on track as a scorer.

JP Moorman also needs some focused, individual coaching, because, as one of the team's co-captains, he has been setting a poor example with his extremely disappointing 2 and 3 point shooting, to date. Yes, he was a .400 3 point shooter last season, but he's no longer getting those sweet dishes from Shizz, and the extended 3 point line may to have taken him out of his effective range.

Altogether, player development has to be an ongoing priority, given the individual limitations or slumps of nearly every player on the team.

Considering the fact that Rose and NPL have both surpassed Shizz Aston's average of 32.1 pts+rb+ast+stl+blk/per game, they have probably gotten more than their share of criticism, to date. Even though they haven't been shooting well, they have been major contributors in every other respect, and have been outstanding perimeter defenders.

Rather than blaming Rose and NPL, or blaming Coach McKie for their shooting woes, the core of the problem may be that Shizz Alston's not on the team this season. If he hadn't been on the team last season, Rose and NPL probably would have struggled just as much as they are now.

The blame - if blame has to be assigned - is on the fact that the team simply doesn't yet seem to have an adequate replacement for Alston. It hasn't been Alani Moore, nor Scott, nor JPL, and Dunn has only begun by playing a few minutes in one game.

Where does the fault lie? Ultimately, it lies at the root of recruiting disappointments, which derive from the disappointing performances of the team over the past few years under Coach Dunphy. This, in turn is the responsibility of Temple's Administration, which extended Dunphy's contract too far beyond his prime.

It will take some time for the team's new Head Coach to bring recruiting up to the level required for regular NCAA visits.

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There is one thing that Coach McKie can do, beyond working more intensively on player development: He can teach his entire team how to play an effective zone defense, so that they can practice against an effective zone D in practice scrimmages.

Opposing coaches are going to throw a mix of zone and man-to-man D at him over and over again all season long until he does what is necessary to teach the guys to play effectively against a good zone D in repeated scrimmages, all season long.

Not only will this help the guys learn to score more effectively against a zone, and against opponents that switch defenses frequently, but it will also teach the team how to do the same to other teams - switching defenses frequently enough to keep teams off balance.

Few teams have success in the NCAA by playing any kind of predictable defense. Temple has been very effective with their current defensive scheme most of the time, but the scheme hasn't worked well enough against some teams...and thus, the Owls have lost 4 games, including the recent blowout @ Tulsa.
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(01-06-2020 09:06 AM)jedclampett Wrote:  
(01-06-2020 06:51 AM)Miggy Wrote:  
(01-05-2020 11:32 PM)jedclampett Wrote:  .
[quote='pesik' pid='16591426' dateline='1578282403']

I highlighted and question temples rebounding FROM THE BIGS...(before forrester was eligible) i said your bigs were soft..i said i questioned the defense and rebounding from THE BIGS

...I was aware NPL could rebound and defend...and you had a negative rebounding margin before Forrester ...for what its worth i dont think forrester is soft at all, the most gritty big you have..he is just very uncoordinated <--this conversation was before he was eligible



Good post...

Temple’s bigs last season didn’t defend the rim, and this season they are, and were doing so before Forrester even starting playing.

Opponents field goal percentage has dropped significantly from last season as opponents are shooting only 37.6 percent, the 18th lowest field goal percentage in the country. Temple’s defense is simply one of best in the nation.

Ok. I'm not taking sides in the discussion, just presenting pertinent data.

I would add that Coach McKie deserves to get some genuine credit for the positive improvements he has made - - despite the loss of Temple's top player and it's starting Center to graduation (and also, their only true Center this season) this year - - mainly, improved defense, rebounding, and getting enough assists out of the back court now that they are deprived of Alston's 5 apg.

McKie also deserves kudos for increasing the team's average scoring margin from 3.2 ppg last season to 7.3 ppg, to date, this season.

As a result of McKie's surprisingly good coaching, in his first season as a HC, the Owls are ranked among the top 50 or 60 teams in the country, and as high as #25 in the RPI, with an S.O.S. rank of #11. That's as good as, or better than the vast majority of Temple fans could have hoped for, heading into this season.

Having said that, he is a first year Head Coach, and so it's not surprising that some opposing coaches can come up with ways to exploit the Owls' limitations. Moreover, although the team has some talented players, it has been plagued by injuries, and both of the starting big men (Moorman and Hamilton) have let the team down repeatedly with their poor or inconsistent play, so far this season. Hamilton has had to have his minutes cut in half, and the only reason why Moorman may deserve to remain in the starting lineup is that he distributes the ball well to the interior, while his defense and rebounding have improved.

Having said that, a strong case can be made that (unless Damion Moore comes back at full strength), perhaps, Forrester and Perry should start at the 4 and 5 positions, with Moorman, Hamilton, and Parks being the backups.

Either that, or if Moorman continues to start along with Forrester, then perhaps his minutes might be cut back to ~19 mpg, with Perry playing ~26 mpg, and adjustments made from game to game.

Alani Moore has also been streaky and very inconsistent, overall. While there is no other guard who can take his place in the starting lineup, his productivity isn't even B+ quality at this point. He's been hitting only 33% of his two point shots. Shizz Alston scored nearly twice as many ppg last year as Moore has done.

Replacing Alani with Shizz in the starting lineup, all by itself, might be enough to keep the Owls out of the NCAA this season. Although you haven't yet alluded to this important factor, one of the reasons why Quinton and Nate are scoring 6 fewer ppg this season is that they're no longer on the receiving end of Alston's passes.

Ya' can't blame the coach for that! Alani's not getting them the ball in scoring position, and he's not enough of a scorer to keep defenders from swarming Q and NPL.

It would do wonders, of course, if Scott were to be to score in double figures each game, as had been expected. The only real bright spot in the back court (beyond the good overall (other than scoring) play of Rose and NPL) is the surprisingly good - and improving - play of JPL.

McKie may have to give him a lot more playing time going forward, since Scott has been relatively ineffective, and now has to recover from a sprained ankle. But, if NPL's shooting slump and Alani's poor shooting from 2 point range continue much longer, the starting guards are going to need more help than that, and it will have to come from Scott and/or new Damian Dunn (with only one game under his belt) in the coming weeks.

In terms of scoring, one thing that hasn't been mentioned is that Temple's PFs (plus 36 total minutes from Center D. Moore) have scored approximately 28 ppg, to date, correcting for games missed. This represents a ~6 ppg (i.e., approximately 27%) improvement over the ~22 ppg scored by Temple's big men last season.

This needed shift from back court to front court scoring has, no doubt, been overseen by Coach McKie and his staff, in view of the fact that Temple's most prolific 3 point scorer - Alston - is no longer with the team, taken together with the fact that the 3 point line is 10.5" farther away from the basket this season.

Indeed, Temple's coaches were right to be concerned about the impact of these two factors on the team's 3 point shooting, given that the Owls have only hit 32.5% of their 3 point attempts this season (the equivalent of hitting .487 of total 2 point attempts), after having previously hit 35.3% of their 3 point shots (the equivalent of hitting 52.9% of their 2 point attempts) last season. That's enough of a drop-off to lose the team a couple of games.


Bringing the focus back to what Coach McKie may need to do to get the team to the NCAA tournament, or at least to the NIT, he and his staff may need to do some more intensive work with Nate, to help him get back on track as a scorer.

JP Moorman also needs some focused, individual coaching, because, as one of the team's co-captains, he has been setting a poor example with his extremely disappointing 2 and 3 point shooting, to date. Yes, he was a .400 3 point shooter last season, but he's no longer getting those sweet dishes from Shizz, and the extended 3 point line may to have taken him out of his effective range.

Altogether, player development has to be an ongoing priority, given the individual limitations or slumps of nearly every player on the team.

Considering the fact that Rose and NPL have both surpassed Shizz Aston's average of 32.1 pts+rb+ast+stl+blk/per game, they have probably gotten more than their share of criticism, to date. Even though they haven't been shooting well, they have been major contributors in every other respect, and have been outstanding perimeter defenders.

Rather than blaming Rose and NPL, or blaming Coach McKie for their shooting woes, the core of the problem may be that Shizz Alston's not on the team this season. If he hadn't been on the team last season, Rose and NPL probably would have struggled just as much as they are now.

The blame - if blame has to be assigned - is on the fact that the team simply doesn't yet seem to have an adequate replacement for Alston. It hasn't been Alani Moore, nor Scott, nor JPL, and Dunn has only begun by playing a few minutes in one game.

Where does the fault lie? Ultimately, it lies at the root of recruiting disappointments, which derive from the disappointing performances of the team over the past few years under Coach Dunphy. This, in turn is the responsibility of Temple's Administration, which extended Dunphy's contract too far beyond his prime.

It will take some time for the team's new Head Coach to bring recruiting up to the level required for regular NCAA visits.

There is one thing that Coach McKie can do, beyond working more intensively on player development: He can teach his entire team how to play an effective zone defense, so that they can practice against an effective zone D in practice scrimmages.

Opposing coaches are going to throw a mix of zone and man-to-man D at him over and over again all season long until he does what is necessary to teach the guys to play effectively against a good zone D in repeated scrimmages, all season long.

Not only will this help the guys learn to score more effectively against a zone, and against opponents that switch defenses frequently, but it will also teach the team how to do the same to other teams - switching defenses frequently enough to keep teams off balance.

Few teams have success in the NCAA by playing any kind of predictable defense. Temple has been very effective with their current defensive scheme most of the time, but the scheme hasn't worked well enough against some teams...and thus, the Owls have lost 4 games, including the recent blowout @ Tulsa.

If you watched Temple’s last two games, you would have seen that Temple’s offense and defense was a mess. Was lucky to even win one of those conference games against not very good teams.

Team should be moving forward, not backwards. That’s partially on the HC as he’s allowing bad shooters like Rose to take Temple’s most shots, and not playing Perry in his stead, as Perry statistically is far better than Rose offensively, defensively, and slightly better than Rose defensively. His offense is terrible as he doesn’t play a motion offense, and compounds matters by making RisecTemlkd’s PG.

You say Alani Moore is an inconsistent shooter on two’s. If Alani Moore had made three more 2’s over the 13 games he has played, he’d be at 50 percent on 2’s as he hardly shoots two’s ( 1.4 per game). He averages taking 6.7 three’s per game, and is shooting them at 39.9 percent. I’d say he’s a very consistent shooter. He’s a terrific guard who makes few turnovers or fouls, and has more steals than turnovers. Unfortunate McKie uses him as a wing, and Rose as Temple’s PG. Big mistake.

Unlike Alani, Alston shot 35 percent on three’s, and had more turnovers than steals.

Maybe you should point out that Rose is an inconsistent bad shooter as he averages 9.2 two’s per game and shoots them at 41 percent, and averages 3.9 three’s per game, and shoots them at only 21 percent.

Temple is a good three point shooting team and would be a much higher three-point percentage (now 32.5 percent) if only Rose at 21 percent (3.9 per game) in three’s, and Nate at 20 percent (2.7 per game) on three’s. If others shot their three pointers, Temple’s three point shooting percentage would sky-rocket. Both should play less so Temple’s good three-point shooters can play and shoot more.

Allowing Rose and Nate to shoot 1-10 on three’s in Temple’s last two games, is one reason Temple has scored only averaged 53 points in its first two conference games. Changes have to be made for Temple to score more points.

Only thing that has allowed Temple to win games is it’s pressure defense.
It’s pressure defense has led to Temple averaging 72 ppg in non conference games. Temple didn’t employ it much in first two conference games.

If it’s pressure not employed, opponents score more points than they should have.

Temple in a world of hurt if if’s good three point shooters don’t play and shoot more, and it’s bad one’s continue to shoot three’s.since HC going to continue to play and let Rose and Nate shoot a lot, Temple’s future is not bright. Does not appear that HC learned the right lessons from Temple’s last two games..

Temple also in a world of hurt if they don’t stop the three ball with applying their pressure defense, and Temple forcing more turnovers so they can score more.

Seems Temple is down to playing it’s pressure defense more to win games.Shouldn’t be that way.

A motion half court offense would help Temple score more points as well.

The HC placing the ball in Rose’s hands and not letting Alani run the offense has been a disaster. Rose had 10 turnovers in Temple’s las two games. Ouch! Rose and Nate have always mostly scored off the dribble. They get passes now and miss open shots. Not running a motion offense has hurt Rise and Nate’s scoring at the hoop.
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Temple fans are elite at using outdated statistics and analysis to talk about their team. Goodness gracious. RPI, PPG, true shooting %, etc...

It's not like Temple is bad or anything, but these discussions are nowhere near getting to the crux of Temple's successes/failures this year.
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