(01-24-2020 02:49 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 02:35 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 02:30 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  Why exactly would there need to be a Western Division? BSU would only be considered for football only.

Let's not overthink this....we are only talking about 4 road games a year.

2 road games a year would be to the Central time zone and probably 2 to the Eastern Time Zone. What's the big deal?

I don't believe it makes sense in the long run for Boise State to park their oly sports into the Big West, Big Sky, or WAC. That is not a long-term sustainable model. If football only is the condition, I'm certain you'd have a large share of boosters, sponsors, and fans that would voice strong displeasure to the AD and new president.

Boise maybe forced to accept the best available option. The emergence of the AAC presents a formidable challenge to the Broncos, but also grants an opportunity.

Perhaps. But there's no urgency as the current deal in place is for 6 years.

Speaking as a fan, I would personally hate seeing Boise State's oly sports in a crap league. I'd prefer equal revenue in the MWC to that. I'd lose all interest and I'm sure I wouldn't be alone.

Now if the AAC reaches out and says "We'll take you Boise, along with AFA/BYU/SDSU and form an all sports western division, then my interest and enthusiasm picks up a bit.

The only MWC school I could see leaving for a football-only arrangement would be Air Force. Nobody else is going to do it.

(01-24-2020 02:24 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 02:22 PM)AusTxPony Wrote:  Just don't see how joining the AAC makes sense for Boise. They have a better shot making the NY6 bowl staying in the MWC, IMO. If they join the AAC for football only, they get a Navy type share of the 7 mil, then have MBB, WBB and Olympics in the WCC. What does WCC pay compared to MWC? Would they gain financially? I do think Boise would benefit the AAC, so ESPN might pay a little more?

For the move to happen it would obviously have to be mutually beneficial for the long-term. A 12 school hybrid doesn't accomplish that. Wouldn't be good for the AAC or Boise State.

Therein lies the rub. It's hard for me to see how Boise coming by themselves makes this work. And Boise going independent blocks access to a NY6 bowl. I think Boise has to bring along two of its Mountain West Conference mates and come in with all sports.

If BSU want to go to the AAC and if the AAC wants them, it’ll happen within a month.

Even though BSU may be taking less money right now, but they will be on ESPN like they want and it’ll be a wash if the MW doesn’t give Boise the extra dough in 6 years.
Putting the others sports in the Big Sky will save a lot of travel costs and no additional costs like the Big West was asking.

(01-24-2020 03:00 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 02:24 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 02:22 PM)AusTxPony Wrote:  Just don't see how joining the AAC makes sense for Boise. They have a better shot making the NY6 bowl staying in the MWC, IMO. If they join the AAC for football only, they get a Navy type share of the 7 mil, then have MBB, WBB and Olympics in the WCC. What does WCC pay compared to MWC? Would they gain financially? I do think Boise would benefit the AAC, so ESPN might pay a little more?

For the move to happen it would obviously have to be mutually beneficial for the long-term. A 12 school hybrid doesn't accomplish that. Wouldn't be good for the AAC or Boise State.

Therein lies the rub. It's hard for me to see how Boise coming by themselves makes this work. And Boise going independent blocks access to a NY6 bowl. I think Boise has to bring along two of its Mountain West Conference mates and come in with all sports.

Boise will come by themselves. It does make sense and cents for you to go to 14. You’ll get a bump at 12 w/ BSU but dilutes going to 14.

BSU seems to want to be on ESPN. My comment above gives my opinion.

(01-24-2020 03:00 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 02:24 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 02:22 PM)AusTxPony Wrote:  Just don't see how joining the AAC makes sense for Boise. They have a better shot making the NY6 bowl staying in the MWC, IMO. If they join the AAC for football only, they get a Navy type share of the 7 mil, then have MBB, WBB and Olympics in the WCC. What does WCC pay compared to MWC? Would they gain financially? I do think Boise would benefit the AAC, so ESPN might pay a little more?

For the move to happen it would obviously have to be mutually beneficial for the long-term. A 12 school hybrid doesn't accomplish that. Wouldn't be good for the AAC or Boise State.

Therein lies the rub. It's hard for me to see how Boise coming by themselves makes this work. And Boise going independent blocks access to a NY6 bowl. I think Boise has to bring along two of its Mountain West Conference mates and come in with all sports.

Completely agree.

(01-24-2020 02:04 PM)geef Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 12:50 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  And I agree 1000% that will never happen. Its 2400 miles from Houston to Boise. A hurdle that each team can overcome once every other year (for football only). There is no way that you will get any of the western teams to agree to send their olympic sports there every year.

It would certainly elevate your non-football programs but be too much of a financial weight on every athletic department to make sense.

It's 1400 miles, but even at that distance your point remains valid.

I show 2401.645

https://www.freemaptools.com/how-far-is-it-between.htm

(01-24-2020 03:03 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 03:00 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 02:24 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 02:22 PM)AusTxPony Wrote:  Just don't see how joining the AAC makes sense for Boise. They have a better shot making the NY6 bowl staying in the MWC, IMO. If they join the AAC for football only, they get a Navy type share of the 7 mil, then have MBB, WBB and Olympics in the WCC. What does WCC pay compared to MWC? Would they gain financially? I do think Boise would benefit the AAC, so ESPN might pay a little more?

For the move to happen it would obviously have to be mutually beneficial for the long-term. A 12 school hybrid doesn't accomplish that. Wouldn't be good for the AAC or Boise State.

Therein lies the rub. It's hard for me to see how Boise coming by themselves makes this work. And Boise going independent blocks access to a NY6 bowl. I think Boise has to bring along two of its Mountain West Conference mates and come in with all sports.

Boise will come by themselves. It does make sense and cents for you to go to 14. You’ll get a bump at 12 w/ BSU but dilutes going to 14.

What?

(01-24-2020 03:08 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 02:04 PM)geef Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 12:50 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  And I agree 1000% that will never happen. Its 2400 miles from Houston to Boise. A hurdle that each team can overcome once every other year (for football only). There is no way that you will get any of the western teams to agree to send their olympic sports there every year.

It would certainly elevate your non-football programs but be too much of a financial weight on every athletic department to make sense.

It's 1400 miles, but even at that distance your point remains valid.

I show 2401.645

https://www.freemaptools.com/how-far-is-it-between.htm

That'll get you somewhere north of Edmonton. Try switching your app from kilometers to miles.

(01-24-2020 02:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 01:29 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 01:11 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 12:46 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 12:19 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  ESPN isn't going to pay everyone an extra million, but I disagree about Boise needing $8 million. They will only make $3.5 all sports in the current mwc contract with less exposure. Add in the fact that the AAC is almost getting the ny6 invite every year and the larger cfp money too. Playing a few games on ABC vs Fox Sports 1 is a huge difference too.

I wouldn't think Boise State would even want all sports if we go to only 12.

Boise State won’t make a move if the AAC holds at 12. IMO, they only join if there is true 7 school western division with all sports. It just doesn’t make sense otherwise.

If the AAC wants only 12 and Boise balks, then we move over to AFA or SDSU that would jump in a heartbeat. Then you replace the mwc loss with New Mexico State or Idaho.

Just because Boise State doesn't come that doesn't mean the mwc isn't raided.

The MWC wouldn’t be that damaged if Air Force left. Like Boise State, SDSU won’t leave without an all sports western division either. For backfill, there are other options than just NMSU and Idaho.

Not so sure about that. SDSU doesn't make the premium TV fees afforded BSU & at $3.5M they will more than double that with AAC revenue - and if message board opinions are indicative of the way SDSU admin think, they are pretty fed up with Boise's special deal.

"...and if message board opinions are indicative of the way SDSU admin think..."

Um...no?

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Big Sky seems like a good fit:

M/W Basketball - Check & Check
M/W XC - Check & Check
FCS FB - Not needed
M/W Golf - Check & Check
W Soccer - Check
W Softball - Check
M/W Tennis - Check & Check
M/W Outdoor T&F - Check & Check
M/W Indoor T&F - Check & Check
W Volleyball - Check

Boise State also has:

W Beach Volleyball, currently independent
W Gymnastics, currently in the MRGC
W Swimming & Diving, currently in the MPSF

They would need to find a new home for their baseball program, which was discontinued in 1980 but comes back in 2020.

BSUTOP25, which MWC rivals are most important to BSU?

(01-24-2020 03:11 PM)geef Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 03:08 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 02:04 PM)geef Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 12:50 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  And I agree 1000% that will never happen. Its 2400 miles from Houston to Boise. A hurdle that each team can overcome once every other year (for football only). There is no way that you will get any of the western teams to agree to send their olympic sports there every year.

It would certainly elevate your non-football programs but be too much of a financial weight on every athletic department to make sense.

It's 1400 miles, but even at that distance your point remains valid.

I show 2401.645

https://www.freemaptools.com/how-far-is-it-between.htm

That'll get you somewhere north of Edmonton. Try switching your app from kilometers to miles.

Lol, didn't even notice that.

Good call......

(01-24-2020 03:13 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Big Sky seems like a good fit:

M/W Basketball - Check & Check
M/W XC - Check & Check
FCS FB - Not needed
M/W Golf - Check & Check
W Soccer - Check
W Softball - Check
M/W Tennis - Check & Check
M/W Outdoor T&F - Check & Check
M/W Indoor T&F - Check & Check
W Volleyball - Check

Boise State also has:

W Beach Volleyball, currently independent
W Gymnastics, currently in the MRGC
W Swimming & Diving, currently in the MPSF

They would need to find a new home for their baseball program, which was discontinued in 1980 but comes back in 2020.

BSUTOP25, which MWC rivals are most important to BSU?

Most important emotional rivals for the fanbase are Fresno State, Nevada, and BYU. Most strategic rival is San Diego State.

(01-24-2020 01:48 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 01:11 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 12:46 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 12:19 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 10:59 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  For the move to make financial sense for Boise ESPN would probably have to raise the AAC's payout where Boise would make at least 8 million a year on a FB only share. We'll see.

ESPN isn't going to pay everyone an extra million, but I disagree about Boise needing $8 million. They will only make $3.5 all sports in the current mwc contract with less exposure. Add in the fact that the AAC is almost getting the ny6 invite every year and the larger cfp money too. Playing a few games on ABC vs Fox Sports 1 is a huge difference too.

I wouldn't think Boise State would even want all sports if we go to only 12.

Boise State won’t make a move if the AAC holds at 12. IMO, they only join if there is true 7 school western division with all sports. It just doesn’t make sense otherwise.

If the AAC wants only 12 and Boise balks, then we move over to AFA or SDSU that would jump in a heartbeat. Then you replace the mwc loss with New Mexico State or Idaho.

Just because Boise State doesn't come that doesn't mean the mwc isn't raided.

Idaho is FCS now. If the MWC needed to back fill I think they would try to move into Texas.

agree

(01-24-2020 03:11 PM)geef Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 03:08 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 02:04 PM)geef Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 12:50 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  And I agree 1000% that will never happen. Its 2400 miles from Houston to Boise. A hurdle that each team can overcome once every other year (for football only). There is no way that you will get any of the western teams to agree to send their olympic sports there every year.

It would certainly elevate your non-football programs but be too much of a financial weight on every athletic department to make sense.

It's 1400 miles, but even at that distance your point remains valid.

I show 2401.645

https://www.freemaptools.com/how-far-is-it-between.htm

That'll get you somewhere north of Edmonton. Try switching your app from kilometers to miles.

POTD..

(01-24-2020 03:06 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 03:00 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 02:24 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 02:22 PM)AusTxPony Wrote:  Just don't see how joining the AAC makes sense for Boise. They have a better shot making the NY6 bowl staying in the MWC, IMO. If they join the AAC for football only, they get a Navy type share of the 7 mil, then have MBB, WBB and Olympics in the WCC. What does WCC pay compared to MWC? Would they gain financially? I do think Boise would benefit the AAC, so ESPN might pay a little more?

For the move to happen it would obviously have to be mutually beneficial for the long-term. A 12 school hybrid doesn't accomplish that. Wouldn't be good for the AAC or Boise State.

Therein lies the rub. It's hard for me to see how Boise coming by themselves makes this work. And Boise going independent blocks access to a NY6 bowl. I think Boise has to bring along two of its Mountain West Conference mates and come in with all sports.

Completely agree.

Boise isn’t a great university and really only brings football and don’t even think they are a top 5 in our league. With that being said I would settle for
Boise
BYU
SDSU
Gonzaga b-ball only.
Dayton b-ball only
This should get us a pay raise then can creat divisions to make travel work. No sweet heart deals for anyone except maybe BYU on Sunday.

I just don't see it. I think this is just pressure on the MWC. But if not, interesting.....

I like Boise for FB only. But ESPN is going to need to pay up finally. We should be approaching 10m a year for a full share and 8 or so for a FB only/partial share. If it just replaces the UConn payout, then I don't see much of a need for a move for either the AAC or Boise.

All-sports... that's tough. Such a massive distance to send these smaller sports. If that were on the table, then the payout needs to be even higher. Closer to $15m for a full share and a potential NY6 direct tie-in. Make it floating at the very least like the Big East was, idk. I'm not sold on all-sports for much less than that. And if BYU is part of the equation, then that's even more headache trying to schedule around them with the Sunday issue. But it would probably be worth it to figure it out. Make the league a true P6 and ESPN get serious about actually promoting us as a legitimate force.

Oh and equal revenue sharing for all programs with the only difference being an all sports member or partial member. None of this bonus crap.

(01-24-2020 10:22 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  I think this deal is going to be done. Probably with VCU also coming. The American would end up getting better with the UConn departure.

This would be the death of the AAC in the long-term.

If this were to happen, then, when realignment hits in four or five years, we are screwed.

2021 - Boise comes in. We bring in a basketball school, pick one. Fine. Short term interest peaks.

2025 or whenever - The Big XII decides, for whatever reason, to bring in two teams. Pick, basically, any combination - Houston, Memphis, Cincy, UCF, Tulsa. Whomever, doesn't matter. But realignment is eventually going to hit this conference and we all know when it comes whoever gets the call is leaving.

At that point we would sit at ten schools with two football only schools and two basketball (probably) only schools, with only marginal shared historical, geographical, and philosophical interests. When the schools sit down to find replacements there isn't going to be a consensus as to what they're even looking for, with BSU wanting one thing, WSU wanting another, Navy wanting a third, and Tulane wanting a fourth. So the AAC will have to bring in three or four schools to fill two spots and half the conference will be completely out of sync, needs and goals-wise, with the other half.

At which point we will become a poor man's Big East, a conference with a hybrid structure with no consistent end point or goals. Four schools, possibly more and a significant voting block, will have no interest in becoming a P5 conference which is what this conference should be shooting for. Forget the idea of building something and working together to create a stronger conference - the schools at that time will have major gaps in terms of conference identity, logistical needs, brand recognition, and other problems, only making it harder to have to 'start over' again in terms of building up the AAC.

I realize that having BSU in football and a VCU in basketball is a sexy choice, but it's the WRONG ONE. For the first time in my adult life the schools in this conference are with schools with a common goal, somewhat of a common geographical content, and are actually making progress. Don't be stupid and throw it away on a short term gains and ESPN's self-serving TV interests.

(01-24-2020 04:02 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 03:06 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 03:00 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 02:24 PM)BSUTOP25 Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 02:22 PM)AusTxPony Wrote:  Just don't see how joining the AAC makes sense for Boise. They have a better shot making the NY6 bowl staying in the MWC, IMO. If they join the AAC for football only, they get a Navy type share of the 7 mil, then have MBB, WBB and Olympics in the WCC. What does WCC pay compared to MWC? Would they gain financially? I do think Boise would benefit the AAC, so ESPN might pay a little more?

For the move to happen it would obviously have to be mutually beneficial for the long-term. A 12 school hybrid doesn't accomplish that. Wouldn't be good for the AAC or Boise State.

Therein lies the rub. It's hard for me to see how Boise coming by themselves makes this work. And Boise going independent blocks access to a NY6 bowl. I think Boise has to bring along two of its Mountain West Conference mates and come in with all sports.

Completely agree.

Boise isn’t a great university and really only brings football and don’t even think they are a top 5 in our league. With that being said I would settle for
Boise
BYU
SDSU
Gonzaga b-ball only.
Dayton b-ball only
This should get us a pay raise then can creat divisions to make travel work. No sweet heart deals for anyone except maybe BYU on Sunday.

LOL.

(01-24-2020 04:14 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(01-24-2020 10:22 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  I think this deal is going to be done. Probably with VCU also coming. The American would end up getting better with the UConn departure.

This would be the death of the AAC in the long-term.

If this were to happen, then, when realignment hits in four or five years, we are screwed.

2021 - Boise comes in. We bring in a basketball school, pick one. Fine. Short term interest peaks.

2025 or whenever - The Big XII decides, for whatever reason, to bring in two teams. Pick, basically, any combination - Houston, Memphis, Cincy, UCF, Tulsa. Whomever, doesn't matter. But realignment is eventually going to hit this conference and we all know when it comes whoever gets the call is leaving.

At that point we would sit at ten schools with two football only schools and two basketball (probably) only schools, with only marginal shared historical, geographical, and philosophical interests. When the schools sit down to find replacements there isn't going to be a consensus as to what they're even looking for, with BSU wanting one thing, WSU wanting another, Navy wanting a third, and Tulane wanting a fourth. So the AAC will have to bring in three or four schools to fill two spots and half the conference will be completely out of sync, needs and goals-wise, with the other half.

At which point we will become a poor man's Big East, a conference with a hybrid structure with no consistent end point or goals. Four schools, possibly more and a significant voting block, will have no interest in becoming a P5 conference which is what this conference should be shooting for. Forget the idea of building something and working together to create a stronger conference - the schools at that time will have major gaps in terms of conference identity, logistical needs, brand recognition, and other problems, only making it harder to have to 'start over' again in terms of building up the AAC.

I realize that having BSU in football and a VCU in basketball is a sexy choice, but it's the WRONG ONE. For the first time in my adult life the schools in this conference are with schools with a common goal, somewhat of a common geographical content, and are actually making progress. Don't be stupid and throw it away on a short term gains and ESPN's self-serving TV interests.

Wow. What a manufactured crisis. Let me ask you this---why would the criteria for replacements be any different than they are now? How would factional preferences within the conference be any different than they are currently?

If the AAC lost 2 teams, they could stay at 10 (and 2 basketball members) if there was nobody of sufficient value to warrant adding. At 10, there is no big crisis in scheduling, so the issues are actually less than we currently face. If the decision is to add---then guess what? You add the best 2 options available. If its a tie, throw Boise a bone and make one of the additions a nice rival for them (a good Boise rival is not bad for the conference).

In short---we are a spread out conference with little that binds us other than being the best brands outside of the power structure. Adding Boise and VCU is what we do. Its how the conference becomes better.
I just think the concerns you raise are no more significant WITH the additions of Boise+VCU than they are without. The issues you raise are always going to be there.

IMO, Boise isn't joining the AAC. They are likely going indy and getting a separate ESPN deal, just like BYU. With Oly sports in the WCC, just like BYU.