(01-29-2020 11:46 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 11:38 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(01-29-2020 07:21 AM)YouPeople Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 05:37 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  There is absolutely no need to add anyone else from Texas, if you get the University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal.

The University of Texas delivers the entire state better than anyone else that would come with them ...

The University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal would have 7 other dates on their football schedule to play whoever they wanted to from the state of Texas ...

With UT on a ND deal, we'd have 16 hoops playing members, which is the perfect number for a post season tourney.


So .. in short ...

No thanks.

Thing is...if Texas comes as a partial, you may not get the ACCN into the state of Texas as Texas will likely have its own deal with ESPN on top of its LHN. To get the ACCN in the state, you need a full time school.

Unless the ACCN broadcasts a lot of their away games on the ACCN...which I doubt they would do.

That’s a good point. UT home games will be broadcast on the LHN, would not be enough UT inventory on the ACCN to demand the carriage fee.

But ... we're talking about a situation where ESPN owns BOTH The Longhorn Network and the ACC Network.

They will figure out a way to make sure they can charge full carriage for the ACC Network in the second biggest state in the country -- and growing rapidly. It is their business after all.

Having THE state university in that state would be a HUGE money maker for the ACC.

I'd be all about it if they can make it work with just Texas. Personally, I would take WVU and Texas (part time) and call it a day.

Scrap football divisions and let's play with 15 full time and 2 part timers.

(01-28-2020 03:09 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Baylor is a damn hard sell since they lack academic freedom

I can't imagine the holy hell raised at Duke, UNC, NC State, UVa, VT, Pitt, and Syracuse - pun intended. You will mash up religion and gender into a toxic brew.

Now they have a championship, is it a better sell?

The snobs will probably hate this, but if I could add any Big XII teams I want, I would take Texas (duh), Oklahoma (duh), and WVU. Instead of taking a 4th, I persuade Duke to take the Notre Dame deal (all sports except football, plus home/home rotations with UNC, NC State, Wake, UVA, and GT to sell tickets), leaving 16 teams.

I then go pods:
A: Texas, OU, WVU, Louisville
B: Pitt, Syracuse, BC, VT
C: VA, UNC, NC State, Wake
D: Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami

...and I alternate divisions as A+B, C+D for 2 years, then A+C and B+D for 2.

That accounts for 7 games; the 8th would rotate every 4 years (you only need to do A/D and B/C), with the only rivalry you'd need to preserve being VA/VT - but that could be a 9th game, if it even needs to be annual (it would be once every 4 years anyway).

Perhaps someone has a better pod arrangement? Or perhaps you feel strongly that the ACC should keep Duke football, meaning WVU is out, Pitt is in pod A, and Wake is in B...

(01-28-2020 07:54 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 06:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 05:37 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  There is absolutely no need to add anyone else from Texas, if you get the University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal.

The University of Texas delivers the entire state better than anyone else that would come with them ...

The University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal would have 7 other dates on their football schedule to play whoever they wanted to from the state of Texas ...

With UT on a ND deal, we'd have 16 hoops playing members, which is the perfect number for a post season tourney.


So .. in short ...

No thanks.

Agreed... but I thought the premise was that Texas would want a couple of tagalongs so that they would have some neighbors, too?

Texas will only join ACC if they can bring two little brothers along. Don't have to be Baylor and TCU. Could be Rice and Texas Tech. But Baylor and TCU have stronger football and basketball programs.

How do you know this? Link?

For Texas to work on a ND-type deal they would have go give the ACC/ACCN priority over the LHN. ESPN probably prefers the ACCN because they can get more ad revenue (I'm guessing on that part) but they aren't going to continue to pay full price for the LHN when it is now 3rd choice for UT games. Texas isn't going to want to give up or share LHN revenue.

The money isn't there for any tag-a-longs, except for Oklahoma.

(01-28-2020 05:37 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  There is absolutely no need to add anyone else from Texas, if you get the University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal.

The University of Texas delivers the entire state better than anyone else that would come with them ...

The University of Texas on a Notre Dame deal would have 7 other dates on their football schedule to play whoever they wanted to from the state of Texas ...

With UT on a ND deal, we'd have 16 hoops playing members, which is the perfect number for a post season tourney.


So .. in short ...

No thanks.

This. Texas and Texas only. I don’t want a conference with 17 or 18 basketball teams.

(04-11-2021 12:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The snobs will probably hate this, but if I could add any Big XII teams I want, I would take Texas (duh), Oklahoma (duh), and WVU. Instead of taking a 4th, I persuade Duke to take the Notre Dame deal (all sports except football, plus home/home rotations with UNC, NC State, Wake, UVA, and GT to sell tickets), leaving 16 teams.

I then go pods:
A: Texas, OU, WVU, Louisville
B: Pitt, Syracuse, BC, VT
C: VA, UNC, NC State, Wake
D: Clemson, GT, FSU, Miami

...and I alternate divisions as A+B, C+D for 2 years, then A+C and B+D for 2.

That accounts for 7 games; the 8th would rotate every 4 years (you only need to do A/D and B/C), with the only rivalry you'd need to preserve being VA/VT - but that could be a 9th game, if it even needs to be annual (it would be once every 4 years anyway).

Perhaps someone has a better pod arrangement? Or perhaps you feel strongly that the ACC should keep Duke football, meaning WVU is out, Pitt is in pod A, and Wake is in B...

Pitt / WVU would probably be an annual matchup as well. They have only played over 100 times.

(04-11-2021 08:44 AM)ArQ Wrote:  

(01-28-2020 03:09 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Baylor is a damn hard sell since they lack academic freedom

I can't imagine the holy hell raised at Duke, UNC, NC State, UVa, VT, Pitt, and Syracuse - pun intended. You will mash up religion and gender into a toxic brew.

Now they have a championship, is it a better sell?

Nope

(04-11-2021 03:53 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  For Texas to work on a ND-type deal they would have go give the ACC/ACCN priority over the LHN. ESPN probably prefers the ACCN because they can get more ad revenue (I'm guessing on that part) but they aren't going to continue to pay full price for the LHN when it is now 3rd choice for UT games. Texas isn't going to want to give up or share LHN revenue.

The money isn't there for any tag-a-longs, except for Oklahoma.

Notre Dame does not have any problem sharing the ACCN and their NBC obligations. Why do you think Texas would have a problem?

(01-28-2020 03:09 PM)Statefan Wrote:  Baylor is a damn hard sell since they lack academic freedom

I can't imagine the holy hell raised at Duke, UNC, NC State, UVa, VT, Pitt, and Syracuse - pun intended. You will mash up religion and gender into a toxic brew.

Academic Freedom? That is a bizarre statement...most universities today are progressive indoctrination centers.

Try writing a term paper with a conservative slant...see what happens. Better yet invite a conservative speaker to campus....

(04-11-2021 03:53 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  For Texas to work on a ND-type deal they would have go give the ACC/ACCN priority over the LHN. ESPN probably prefers the ACCN because they can get more ad revenue (I'm guessing on that part) but they aren't going to continue to pay full price for the LHN when it is now 3rd choice for UT games. Texas isn't going to want to give up or share LHN revenue.

The money isn't there for any tag-a-longs, except for Oklahoma.

UT, OU and Houston or TCU

No one in the B12 is going anywhere without Oklahoma being taken care of. They're just not going to let that happen.

That said, I wish somebody would add somebody. Dont care who or how. Need to get this thing jumbled up again.

Adding three schools from Texas to the ACC. Well I guess none of you recall the Big 8 when they merged with 4 Texas Schools. As soon as it happened the Texas schools started calling the shots, and several schools wanted out since the merger. The answer everyone should be giving is Hell No. I would rather see the ACC go back to 8 school conference than see them add ANY school from Texas.

I really can't think of any reason why Texas would want any part of this, either with or without tag alongs.

(04-25-2021 06:34 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Adding three schools from Texas to the ACC. Well I guess none of you recall the Big 8 when they merged with 4 Texas Schools. As soon as it happened the Texas schools started calling the shots, and several schools wanted out since the merger. The answer everyone should be giving is Hell No. I would rather see the ACC go back to 8 school conference than see them add ANY school from Texas.

The problems in Texas are with just one school in Texas. The ACC could add TCU and Houston tomorrow and have no undercurrent of intrigue. Add Texas and you get a perpetual knife fight between Texas, ND, and UNC/Duke

(04-25-2021 07:54 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(04-25-2021 06:34 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Adding three schools from Texas to the ACC. Well I guess none of you recall the Big 8 when they merged with 4 Texas Schools. As soon as it happened the Texas schools started calling the shots, and several schools wanted out since the merger. The answer everyone should be giving is Hell No. I would rather see the ACC go back to 8 school conference than see them add ANY school from Texas.

The problems in Texas are with just one school in Texas. The ACC could add TCU and Houston tomorrow and have no undercurrent of intrigue. Add Texas and you get a perpetual knife fight between Texas, ND, and UNC/Duke

In that event, I think that Texas and ND would team up nicely against Tobacco Road.

(04-26-2021 10:02 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-25-2021 07:54 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(04-25-2021 06:34 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Adding three schools from Texas to the ACC. Well I guess none of you recall the Big 8 when they merged with 4 Texas Schools. As soon as it happened the Texas schools started calling the shots, and several schools wanted out since the merger. The answer everyone should be giving is Hell No. I would rather see the ACC go back to 8 school conference than see them add ANY school from Texas.

The problems in Texas are with just one school in Texas. The ACC could add TCU and Houston tomorrow and have no undercurrent of intrigue. Add Texas and you get a perpetual knife fight between Texas, ND, and UNC/Duke

In that event, I think that Texas and ND would team up nicely against Tobacco Road.

Bring it on.

(04-26-2021 12:34 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-26-2021 10:02 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-25-2021 07:54 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(04-25-2021 06:34 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Adding three schools from Texas to the ACC. Well I guess none of you recall the Big 8 when they merged with 4 Texas Schools. As soon as it happened the Texas schools started calling the shots, and several schools wanted out since the merger. The answer everyone should be giving is Hell No. I would rather see the ACC go back to 8 school conference than see them add ANY school from Texas.

The problems in Texas are with just one school in Texas. The ACC could add TCU and Houston tomorrow and have no undercurrent of intrigue. Add Texas and you get a perpetual knife fight between Texas, ND, and UNC/Duke

In that event, I think that Texas and ND would team up nicely against Tobacco Road.

Bring it on.

Texas and Notre Dame

UNC and Duke

(04-25-2021 06:34 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Adding three schools from Texas to the ACC. Well I guess none of you recall the Big 8 when they merged with 4 Texas Schools. As soon as it happened the Texas schools started calling the shots, and several schools wanted out since the merger. The answer everyone should be giving is Hell No. I would rather see the ACC go back to 8 school conference than see them add ANY school from Texas.

On the other hand, simple mathematics will say the effect of a Texas grouping in the ACC will be less than the effect of a Texas grouping in the original Big 12. Even if you add 4 Texas schools to the ACC, they would control 4/18 of the votes or 2/9 or 22% while the 4 Texas schools were 1/3 of the Big 12. In addition, the Oklahoma schools were pretty close to the Texas schools in location and culture which helped the Texas schools and hurt Nebraska. In an ACC+Texas, the Texas schools are still a minority and there would be just as many North Carolina ACC schools as Texas schools.

I'm not saying I want 4 (or any) Texas schools in the ACC but they certainly wouldn't dictate votes the same way they did the original Big 12. A group of 4 Big 12 schools would have a little more effect in the Big 10 with Iowa and Nebraska close to Texas and as a Big Ten "Eastern" fan I would not want the "western" schools to gain a majority or more votes and see more conference championships moved out west. Should the SEC add 4 Big 12 schools, schools like Texas A&M and LSU would be helped and schools like Georgia and Florida would be hurt. In the ACC, there wouldn't be anyone close by (unless West Virginia's one of the four).

(04-26-2021 12:34 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-26-2021 10:02 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(04-25-2021 07:54 PM)Statefan Wrote:  

(04-25-2021 06:34 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Adding three schools from Texas to the ACC. Well I guess none of you recall the Big 8 when they merged with 4 Texas Schools. As soon as it happened the Texas schools started calling the shots, and several schools wanted out since the merger. The answer everyone should be giving is Hell No. I would rather see the ACC go back to 8 school conference than see them add ANY school from Texas.

The problems in Texas are with just one school in Texas. The ACC could add TCU and Houston tomorrow and have no undercurrent of intrigue. Add Texas and you get a perpetual knife fight between Texas, ND, and UNC/Duke

In that event, I think that Texas and ND would team up nicely against Tobacco Road.

Bring it on.

Lol, Tobacco Road would be overrun by the Texas/ND one-two punch like the Loyalists on Kings Mountain by the Over Mountain Men in 1780.