(08-27-2020 02:28 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

clt says look at this map. not a lot of covid in montana and the dakotas, where they lack 5G

They also lack a lot of people you silly ghost

(08-27-2020 03:09 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 02:28 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

clt says look at this map. not a lot of covid in montana and the dakotas, where they lack 5G

They also lack a lot of people you silly ghost

I really hope he’s kidding.

The death rate from COVID-19 in people who are aged 25 or less is vanishing small. Not 0. But very small. And, as I’ve said, from a public health standpoint, that fact is irrelevant to the threat it poses to our nation.
As the virus spreads, it ultimately reaches groups of older people. And if you are in the 45+ aged range your chance of hospitalization is around 20%. And if you’re hospitalized your chance of going to the ICU is around 20%. If you are sick enough to be placed in the ICU your chance of dying from COVID-19 is very high. Initially, it was about 80%. It’s lower now with some newer treatments (maybe remdesivir, steroids, convalescent plasma, anticoagulation, etc etc) ..but is still probably over 50%. These hospitalized patients.. overwhelmingly older... are the problem. Because they use huge amounts of resources...ventilators, meds, PPEs, specialized nursing, etc. In areas where the virus is spreading rapidly there is a potential to drown the local medical/ hospital system..it’s already happened in multiple places: Italy, Spain, Brazil, NYC, Detroit, Miami, Phoenix, NOLA etc etc.
Asymptomatic spread is a major vector in the spread of this virus to all age groups. In at least 3 recently reported studies the incidence of people with no symptoms or minimal symptoms )but positive COVID tests) was around 40%. These asymptomatic people are circulating in all areas of society, offices, hospitals, universities, etc. And spreading the virus to vulnerable people. Older people. Younger people with serious pre-existing conditions.
I’m going to share a personal story that will better illustrate my point. A personal story because I don’t want to necessarily push any other agenda.
My mother is 92 and has lived in a Sr Care Center for 3 years. Early on in the pandemic (March), the Center instituted a lock down. No visitors of any type. Strict hygiene procedures. New residents screened, tested and initially quarantined. This approach was VERY effective. No illness. No symptoms. No hospitalizations...for months. Then, a week or so after July 4, 4 residents got sick with COVID. ?? How did this happen? The residents never left. But, after investigating, re-testing everybody, and doing contact tracing, it turns out that one of the staff (who tested positive) had a July 4 party. Attended by multiple family members, several of whom tested positive for COVID. Asymptomatic.
Even after further lockdown and quarantine 4 other residents were hospitalized. 2 died.

This is a very difficult time for everybody. Everybody wants to get back to some semblance of normal life. Football. School. Restaurants. Vacation. And visiting our vulnerable relatives and friends. I am really glad that I’m not a University official in charge of making the decision to have in person classes, or sports.
I totally respect anyone’s opinion who disagrees with me, but, to me, the science is pretty clear. And if we don’t have fall sports this year, I’m OK with that decision.

(08-27-2020 11:35 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 11:19 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 11:13 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 11:00 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-27-2020 10:51 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  People die that includes you and I, at some point. The odds say if you are 30 or under covid wont be the cause of your death. Hell the odds say you will more than likely get food poison and it will affect you worse than covid-19


Some will die from it but we still take that chance by going out to dirty restaurants to eat.

The odds say someone under 30 will die from a car crash than covid. Yet they still drive. Yet as parents we buy or help buy them cars. Yet as parents we buy them phones to get distracted



So id you do either of those I think what you are really saying is you don't care if people die.

That's all fine and good but the more young people get sick, the more old people get sick and the more people will die.

Bullcrap show me something that states that young people with covid is killing old people? As you know (from stats I showed you) 2/3 of deaths in KY are from asst living or nursing homes.

Tell me how little Johnny killed Granny? National that number is well above 50%. If Granny doesnt have enough sense to stay away from people under 30, not matter who much she might love little Johnny, or Jill. Kind of makes you wonder how she made it to old age. If she chooses to be around them. Its her choice...not yours.

PERSONAL F'ING RESPONSIBILITY

Can you show me evidence that only old people work at retirement homes? That none of the people that died had any contact with a person under 30? That's not how the world works and it's certainly not how contagious diseases work.

THE MORE PEOPLE IN YOUR COMMUNITY THAT HAVE THE VIRUS THE GREATER YOUR CHANCES OF BECOMING SICK REGARDLESS OF YOUR ACTIONS

Again I asked you to back up what you said and you give me assumptions.

But on second thought Granny should stay seated as often as she can. Not worry too much about little johnny killing he with covid...

Quote: How many elderly die annually?
According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: One in four Americans aged 65+ falls each year. Every 11 seconds, an older adult is treated in the emergency room for a fall; every 19 minutes, an older adult dies from a fall.

We have never as a nation or world asked others to shutdown their life. To protect granny. We expect Granny to use common f'ing sense and do everything in her power to lower those odds. If Granny cant do it we expect her husband or children to do it....

we have never asked the world to change for granny. We dont with more deadly diseases by banning sugar or alcohol or tobacco. Which would be a lot more controllable than a virus


We ask granny to show some PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Knowing full well that even if she does everything in her power to stay safe....

she's going to die at some point. Maybe even earlier than she should. Its called LIFE

If more people had been willing to show personal responsibility by wearing a mask and social distancing we wouldn’t have a problem right now.

(08-29-2020 10:41 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  If more people had been willing to show personal responsibility by wearing a mask and social distancing we wouldn’t have a problem right now.

And if Santa Claus was real (I'm sure this is bitter news to some) we'd all have some really nice stuff we didn't have to pay for.

The takeaway from the 2020 debacle is that people WILL NOT STAY HOME, wear masks, etc unless you militarily force them to and even then some STILL WILL NOT COMPLY. It is STUPID to shut down your economy, lay off 30 million people, etc and 'EXPECT' that people will quarantine and 'be safe'.

Rallies, marches, protests, riots,... have been going on DAY AND NIGHT since March 2020. People are locked arm-in-arm, without masks (or they have a mask but it isn't covering their mouth and nose so they can scream chants).

We need to get people back to work, back in school, and back to a somewhat normal life for the OVERALL GOOD OF OUR COUNTRY. Everyone sitting around looking for their next Twitter-based cause to support isn't working.

clt says “ covid 19” will just go away when it gets warm.

(08-27-2020 09:37 AM)FAU Connoisseur! Wrote:  

(08-26-2020 09:03 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  It could be $1 and most people without any symptoms will not get a test.

But is spreading this really a bad thing? Actually the more people under 30 that gets covid the better we all are because only one person in the world has tested positive for a "new case". He didnt even realize he had it the 2nd time. Caught it 4.5 months later and his body had built up a defense to fight it off to where he had no symptoms. Along with a very slim chance of passing it to others. If you believe the science

When I was 5 and my brother got the measles my mother didnt hide myself and my cousin who was living with us from it. She put us all three in the same bed so she could deal with it all at once. Maybe that was wrong but that was the way we (every part of our family) dealt with things like this in 1965.

I know you cant do it today but the while damn football team should got it a weeks ago and been over it....99.8% they lived through it. A lot better than the odds of a football player getting killed or dying if school was shutdown

I think what you are really saying is you don't care if people die.

That is pretty extreme to say that someone else doesn't care if people die or not. I mean really freaking extreme.

Driving kills people, alcohol kills people. Both kill more young people per year than covid does. We haven't banned driving and alcohol. If you really say no death is acceptable at any time there are tons of things out there to protest.

clt asks how many folks on this chat page have actually seen “COVID 19”?

Very convenient huh?