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Hiring Joe Brady is a no brainer if he’s interested.

Bengals organization is the only one where 6-25-1 isn't enough to get you fired.

Marvin's worst 2 year stretch here was 13-19. More than double the wins. The level of ineptitude the last 2 years is staggering. Oh well. On to year 3.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry:


"Our fans wanted a fresh new direction two years ago, and that is what we aimed to do in hiring a bright, energetic head coach in Zac Taylor. We remain bullish on the foundation Zac is building, and we look forward to next year giving our fans the winning results we all want. In Zac's two years, we have added many new starters and contributors through the draft, we have invested heavily in free agency, and we have acquired a talented young quarterback with a bright future.

"This season we faced challenges with injuries at key positions and missed opportunities. I am proud of our football team for fighting hard through adversity. That adversity and hard work will help us next season. We'll enter the offseason looking to shore up our weaknesses and amplify the strengths of our talented young core. We are not discouraged, but instead feel motivated and confident that next year will reap the benefits of the work that has been done to date. We must capitalize on the opportunities in front of us. Next year we will earn our stripes."

https://www.bengals.com/news/statement-f...vub_civbxM

Next years schedule: Home---- 3 AFC North playoff teams, Green Bay, Minn., Kansas City, Chargers and Jacksonville

Away---- AFC North, Chicago, Detroit, Las Vegas, Denver and Jets
Next year win total no better than this year....

(01-04-2021 09:15 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Bengals organization is the only one where 6-25-1 isn't enough to get you fired.

Marvin's worst 2 year stretch here was 13-19. More than double the wins. The level of ineptitude the last 2 years is staggering. Oh well. On to year 3.

i like how they kicked that field goal instead of going for it. that's zac taylor. ruin the ravens playoff chances go for it don't give your new kicker reps. play like it means something boy wander. not that i have any choice in the matter

so they get like the fifth pick now? i was fine with them winning if it meant the team was actually improving despite the geniuses calling the plays for the stripes these days. if one of these playmakers from the sec in pitts and chase is available and penai isn't, don't you have to take one of them?

(01-04-2021 09:15 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Bengals organization is the only one where 6-25-1 isn't enough to get you fired.

Marvin's worst 2 year stretch here was 13-19. More than double the wins. The level of ineptitude the last 2 years is staggering. Oh well. On to year 3.

Yeah, but there's only one organization where his light resume gets you a HC job to begin with so par for the course. He would have been a mediocre OC candidate and they gave him a HC job.

How does his salary rank in the NFL? For Mike Brown there is a graph where the salary x axis meets the win/loss record y axis.

(01-04-2021 12:02 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(01-04-2021 09:15 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Bengals organization is the only one where 6-25-1 isn't enough to get you fired.

Marvin's worst 2 year stretch here was 13-19. More than double the wins. The level of ineptitude the last 2 years is staggering. Oh well. On to year 3.

Yeah, but there's only one organization where his light resume gets you a HC job to begin with so par for the course. He would have been a mediocre OC candidate and they gave him a HC job.

So you think Marvin had a light resume too when they hired him or just Zac?

(01-04-2021 01:49 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  So you think Marvin had a light resume too when they hired him or just Zac?

Marvin had been the DC of arguably the greatest defense of all time and had 7 years of successful coordinating experience. Zac was a position coach for one season after being an assistant position coach. There is no comparison between their qualification level when joining the organization.

(01-04-2021 01:56 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(01-04-2021 01:49 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  So you think Marvin had a light resume too when they hired him or just Zac?

Marvin had been the DC of arguably the greatest defense of all time and had 7 years of successful coordinating experience. Zac was a position coach for one season after being an assistant position coach. There is no comparison between their qualification level when joining the organization.

I know. That's why I thought it was weird you called it "par for the course".

(01-04-2021 02:01 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I know. That's why I thought it was weird you called it "par for the course".

Yeah my bad. I meant that keeping him was in line with the flawed logic of hiring a clearly unqualified coach but I could have worded it better

(01-03-2021 03:49 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(01-03-2021 02:57 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  These are the Zach taylor Bengals. Welcome back boys.

I know your love for Marvin deeply shades your view but I'm not sure how you can put the current team on the field all on Zac. I mean which guys actually playing would you describe as legitimately good (or better) by NFL standards? I know that's vague, but that means don't count guys who are just OK or who "could be good" and don't even put the bar at very good. Just "good" or better.

My count off the top of my head:
Defense: Bates, Lawson, Hubbard (Bell is close, but I say no)
Offense: Boyd (he may be out now too but he is listed as having one catch today), Gio (perhaps too generous but I'm a fan)(Tee is out)
ST: Huber, Wilson/Phillips (pick one, I just liked using "Wilson/Phillips")

Sure part of the blame goes to Taylor and every team has injuries at this point, but not even Bellicheck can win without the players as he's showing this year.

To touch on this a little bit more.

From PDoc:

This Space will now (try to) put the brakes on the Skepticism Machine’s questioning of Zac Taylor, to focus on the players he is given to coach. That means a lens on the Bengals personnel “department,’’ quotation marks intended. The Men have not drafted very well since the boom years of 2010 and 2011.

It’s not just whom Duke Tobin and his plucky little crew have anointed. It’s the positions groups they’ve loaded up on and avoided.

The Bengals haven’t drafted a pass rusher that scares anyone since Carlos Dunlap in 2010. Carl Lawson has his moments and room to improve, but he’s not yet a top-tier, fear-in-the-hearts guy.

They’ve tried, but they haven’t picked even an average offensive lineman since Kevin Zeitler (2012). There were the egregious 2015 picks of Ogbuehi and Fisher, the lamentable use of a top pick on Billy Price three years ago, the so-far failed run with Michael Jordan. That’s a whole NFL generation’s worth of linemen that aren’t very good.

It’s a cliché but it’s true. You build a team from the inside out. Rush the passer, protect the passer.

The Bengals have been good at finding “skill’’ players. No one could have issues with Tee Higgins, Tyler Boyd, Tyler Eifert, Joe Mixon and, of course, A.J. Green. (John Ross will go unmentioned here, because that rip is too easy.)

Why do they do well with running backs and wide receivers? Partly because there are a million of ‘em. Wideout is the easiest position to find good players. Just about every team not named Baltimore has a couple wideouts that could play for every other team in the league. Running back is a little harder to pick wisely, but the ever-shrinking value of the running game makes finding a good one less important.

Tobin has done OK work the past few years, but that’s too soon to make a definitive judgment. Lawson and Sam Hubbard are better than average. Jessie Bates has been good. But overall, the core of young veterans that don’t run the ball or catch it has not been impressive.

A trained seal and MelTodd McKiper could have picked Joe Burrow last spring. No credit to The Men for that one.

Who was the last All Pro the Bengals drafted?

Profootballreference lists every player, every year who even gets All Pro mention from one of multiple sources: Pro Football Weekly, Pro Football Focus, AP, NFL writers, The Sporting News etc. The list includes at least 70 players a year.

Since 2017, no Bengal not named Geno Atkins is listed. Not one. Zeitler cracked the list in '16. Before that, Whit got votes, as did Green. Alex Erickson was mentioned as a special teamer.

That’s it. The Bengals haven’t drafted a home run hitter in almost a decade. Other than St. Joe, who dropped in their laps.

We spent 17 weeks taking it to Zac Taylor. That wasn’t an accident. The glare shifts now, to Tobin, de facto GM and honorary Fam Member. Even good coaches can’t win with not good players.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...140199001/

I hate running through "what if" scenarios but a couple of things that jumped out at me after this season.

What if the Bengals were able to hire Jack Del Rio? It's been debated on whether he turned them down or they truly pursued him, but the man can coach defense. WFT's defense finished the #4 ranked defense in the NFL. They finished in the top 10 in all the major statistical categories: total defense, rushing defense, passing defense and scoring defense.

What if the Bengals drafted Tua instead of Burrow? (although my guess was they were probably considering drafting Hebert more than Tua) I have read multiple articles suggesting that Miami should consider drafting a new QB at #3 this year. Although they have already named Tua the starter for next year, word is that the coaches don't have a lot of confidence in him after an uneven and sometimes shaky rookie season.

Speaking of Miami, they may have possibly "missed" on Tua, but after having the #5 pick last year, they went 10-6 this year and now have the #3 and #18 pick in the 2021 draft via some trades. Someone down there is doing something right.

(01-06-2021 01:35 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  I hate running through "what if" scenarios but a couple of things that jumped out at me after this season.

What if the Bengals were able to hire Jack Del Rio? It's been debated on whether he turned them down or they truly pursued him, but the man can coach defense. WFT's defense finished the #4 ranked defense in the NFL. They finished in the top 10 in all the major statistical categories: total defense, rushing defense, passing defense and scoring defense.

What if the Bengals drafted Tua instead of Burrow? (although my guess was they were probably considering drafting Hebert more than Tua) I have read multiple articles suggesting that Miami should consider drafting a new QB at #3 this year. Although they have already named Tua the starter for next year, word is that the coaches don't have a lot of confidence in him after an uneven and sometimes shaky rookie season.

Speaking of Miami, they may have possibly "missed" on Tua, but after having the #5 pick last year, they went 10-6 this year and now have the #3 and #18 pick in the 2021 draft via some trades. Someone down there is doing something right.

The "reports" I've seen all say the Bengals (namely Zac) passed on Del Rio. I'm on the fence still with Lou, but I agree with what you are implying that the Bengals blew it by not hiring Del Rio. But as I mentioned in semi defending Zac, by the end of the year they had arguably only 3 guys on the field that you could call legitimately good at this point in time in Bates, Lawson and probably Hubbard. I'm not sure Del Rio would have done much better with that group for most of the year.

The narrative on the Dolphins is that they really did go "all in" to get the #1 pick (specifically Tua at the time) by dumping pretty much all the veterans. Seemingly unfortunately (at least for the plan), the young nobodies got better over time and they won a few games last year. But they got Tua anyway as it turned out although it's not clear that he was still their #1. Regardless the winning continued into this year (although iirc they did have a relatively easy schedule which included some very narrow wins arguably with helpful officiating and went light on the injuries). Now they get the picks from dumping the vets and it is a pretty nice position for them to be in and a notable contrast to the Bengals overall continued misery this past year.

But don't short sell the QB issue. I'm not calling Tua a bust but if they missed on him that's a huge issue especially if Burrow and Hebert continue to shine (and yes it sure sounded like the Bengals, Mike Brown specifically, were big fans of Hebert over Tua and I think the pick of Joe over Hebert was a little closer than everyone thinks.)

(01-06-2021 04:57 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  Now they get the picks from dumping the vets and it is a pretty nice position for them to be in and a notable contrast to the Bengals overall continued misery this past year.

But don't short sell the QB issue. I'm not calling Tua a bust but if they missed on him that's a huge issue especially if Burrow and Hebert continue to shine (and yes it sure sounded like the Bengals, Mike Brown specifically, were big fans of Hebert over Tua and I think the pick of Joe over Hebert was a little closer than everyone thinks.)

I remember both pre draft buzz around the Bengals liking Herbert and Miami wanting to trade up for Burrow. Miami is in a good spot with the capital but it's crazy to think where they'd be if they picked Herbert. In their defense many thought Tua was the best prospect and slipped due to injury.

Personally I'm one who thought Tua had only dropped due to injury concerns, which were legit. But even if QBs don't hit right away they typically give you flashes on what they'll look like when they make it. I agree I'm not willing to throw bust out yet but I'm willing to say that's a real possibility; I never would have thought a healthy Tua would be thoroughly outplayed by Fitzpatrick. I think there's a bigger possibility he's not going to get a starting qb contract after his rookie deal than he becomes above average starter.

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Cincinnati Bengals to unveil new jersey design for 2021
Chris RolingBengals Wire


The Cincinnati Bengals will don redesigned jerseys in 2021.

Cincinnati announced the news on social media via a video that chronicled the long history of jersey and helmet designs over the years. The team said the new design will be unveiled this spring.

The news doesn't come as a surprise given the new era starting under Joe Burrow. Fans have clamored for more of a traditional look based around the basic "Color Rush" jerseys for years. The popularity of the white "Color Rush" editions is sure to play a big role.

Given the popularity of the helmet, it's safe to say that won't be changing. Here's the announcement video:

#NewStripespic.twitter.com/toKSCxQfyG

- Cincinnati Bengals (@Bengals) January 21, 2021

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...115342448/