(11-02-2020 07:49 PM)rileylives Wrote:  I am not in favor of re-joining the MAC.

Once, there was a time I looked fondly or even up to a couple MAC schools. They've all soured in recent years, and now I envision moving forward with like minded southern based programs.

Those schools in the midwest all seem to have much different priorities than Marshall. I can't put my finger on it.

If this split never happens, I would rather start scheduling more American or Sunbelt programs than more Ohio or Miami OH.

Totally get that, I wouldn’t want to to join the Mac either, even though we were offered a spot and were going to join had umass stayed. It’s well known we were going to be #14.

But you guys have a good rivalry with OHio and bringing them into a new league would be a good move IMO. They have a solid program, fan base and commitment to athletics that sadly, many in the Mac dont. Which is why I believe they would explore a move such as this.

(11-02-2020 07:56 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 07:53 PM)rileylives Wrote:  No, it's cool.

I am aware of JMU. They are a nice program, but need many years of seasoning at the FBS level.

I think ODU could have benefited from similar seasoning before making this jump.

It's not as easy at it appears.

With all due respect, that makes no sense,

Why do we need many years of seasoning, yet others who had far less success than us can transition to fbs seamlessly?

We would immediately move toward the top of any fbs conference we joined. What app state and ga southern have done is what we will do.

No, no you woudn't.

ODU thought the same. GA State thought the same. UMass thought the same. Until recently, Charlotte.

In fact, I can let the Charlotte and ODU posters explain. It took Charlotte 6 or 7 years to get theit footing. ODU is searching for their identity even to this day.

What Marshall, App State, Coastal Carolina and Liberty have achieved is NOT the norm.

I can go on and on with FCS programs that thought they would come up here and dominate right away.

(11-02-2020 08:00 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 07:56 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 07:53 PM)rileylives Wrote:  No, it's cool.

I am aware of JMU. They are a nice program, but need many years of seasoning at the FBS level.

I think ODU could have benefited from similar seasoning before making this jump.

It's not as easy at it appears.

With all due respect, that makes no sense,

Why do we need many years of seasoning, yet others who had far less success than us can transition to fbs seamlessly?

We would immediately move toward the top of any fbs conference we joined. What app state and ga southern have done is what we will do.

No, no you woudn't.

ODU thought the same. GA State thought the same. UMass thought the same. Until recently, Charlotte.

In fact, I can let the Charlotte and ODU posters explain. It took Charlotte 6 or 7 years to get theit footing. ODU is searching for their identity even to this day.

What Marshall, App State, Coastal Carolina and Liberty have achieved is NOT the norm.

I can go on and on with FCS programs that thought they would come up here and dominate right away.

I mean, come on now, I know you know better than this.

First off, throw umass out. The northeast could give a **** about college football. Umass should never have moved up and it’s just a matter of time before they pull an Idaho.

The others are all commuter schools that are and will be basketball first. Charlotte and Georgia state struggle to get 10,000 to a game where we get 25,000 as an fcs.

Like you guys, app state and ga southern, we are a football school first. The more accurate comparison for us is similar football first, traditional campus based universities, like the ones mentioned.

There is a reason why you three were successful in fcs and in fbs right out of the gate and the others weren’t. Although I do see odu getting their act together and will be solid after a few missteps.

Further, I’m still trying to figure out what liberty has accomplished. A ranking in a messed up COVID year when a bunch of schools are being left off ballots because they haven’t played? And look at who they have beaten the past few years. They have played incredible weak schedules.

Rename this thread 180 degrees from 2014 thesis.

(11-02-2020 08:11 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 08:00 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 07:56 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 07:53 PM)rileylives Wrote:  No, it's cool.

I am aware of JMU. They are a nice program, but need many years of seasoning at the FBS level.

I think ODU could have benefited from similar seasoning before making this jump.

It's not as easy at it appears.

With all due respect, that makes no sense,

Why do we need many years of seasoning, yet others who had far less success than us can transition to fbs seamlessly?

We would immediately move toward the top of any fbs conference we joined. What app state and ga southern have done is what we will do.

No, no you woudn't.

ODU thought the same. GA State thought the same. UMass thought the same. Until recently, Charlotte.

In fact, I can let the Charlotte and ODU posters explain. It took Charlotte 6 or 7 years to get theit footing. ODU is searching for their identity even to this day.

What Marshall, App State, Coastal Carolina and Liberty have achieved is NOT the norm.

I can go on and on with FCS programs that thought they would come up here and dominate right away.

I mean, come on now, I know you know better than this.

First off, throw umass out. The northeast could give a **** about college football. Umass should never have moved up and it’s just a matter of time before they pull an Idaho.

The others are all commuter schools that are and will be basketball first. Charlotte and Georgia state struggle to get 10,000 to a game where we get 25,000 as an fcs.

Like you guys, app state and ga southern, we are a football school first. The more accurate comparison for us is similar football first, traditional campus based universities, like the ones mentioned.

There is a reason why you three were successful in fcs and in fbs right out of the gate and the others weren’t. Although I do see odu getting their act together and will be solid after a few missteps.

Further, I’m still trying to figure out what liberty has accomplished. A ranking in a messed up COVID year when a bunch of schools are being left off ballots because they haven’t played? And look at who they have beaten the past few years. They have played incredible weak schedules.

I mean at this point, now you're just hating. Liberty has earned that top 25 ranking. Everybody outside of the MAC is playing now, Liberty has actually thumped a couple power five schools.

That's not normal, but again, they're not in this conversation.

To the other comment about this thread reversing course from the original intent, it just goes to show the original intent was never a worthy conversation.

(11-02-2020 08:11 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 08:00 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 07:56 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 07:53 PM)rileylives Wrote:  No, it's cool.

I am aware of JMU. They are a nice program, but need many years of seasoning at the FBS level.

I think ODU could have benefited from similar seasoning before making this jump.

It's not as easy at it appears.

With all due respect, that makes no sense,

Why do we need many years of seasoning, yet others who had far less success than us can transition to fbs seamlessly?

We would immediately move toward the top of any fbs conference we joined. What app state and ga southern have done is what we will do.

No, no you woudn't.

ODU thought the same. GA State thought the same. UMass thought the same. Until recently, Charlotte.

In fact, I can let the Charlotte and ODU posters explain. It took Charlotte 6 or 7 years to get theit footing. ODU is searching for their identity even to this day.

What Marshall, App State, Coastal Carolina and Liberty have achieved is NOT the norm.

I can go on and on with FCS programs that thought they would come up here and dominate right away.

I mean, come on now, I know you know better than this.

First off, throw umass out. The northeast could give a **** about college football. Umass should never have moved up and it’s just a matter of time before they pull an Idaho.

The others are all commuter schools that are and will be basketball first. Charlotte and Georgia state struggle to get 10,000 to a game where we get 25,000 as an fcs.

Like you guys, app state and ga southern, we are a football school first. The more accurate comparison for us is similar football first, traditional campus based universities, like the ones mentioned.

There is a reason why you three were successful in fcs and in fbs right out of the gate and the others weren’t. Although I do see odu getting their act together and will be solid after a few missteps.

Further, I’m still trying to figure out what liberty has accomplished. A ranking in a messed up COVID year when a bunch of schools are being left off ballots because they haven’t played? And look at who they have beaten the past few years. They have played incredible weak schedules.

The only schools that rattled the cage from day one of being FBS from FCS are the following:. Boise State, Marshall, App State, Georgia Southern, Coastal (they were a surprise). This is the last 25 years. Western Kentucky had just won another or played in the FCS champ game, moved up, lots of growing pains.

(11-02-2020 10:31 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 08:11 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 08:00 PM)rileylives Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 07:56 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 07:53 PM)rileylives Wrote:  No, it's cool.

I am aware of JMU. They are a nice program, but need many years of seasoning at the FBS level.

I think ODU could have benefited from similar seasoning before making this jump.

It's not as easy at it appears.

With all due respect, that makes no sense,

Why do we need many years of seasoning, yet others who had far less success than us can transition to fbs seamlessly?

We would immediately move toward the top of any fbs conference we joined. What app state and ga southern have done is what we will do.

No, no you woudn't.

ODU thought the same. GA State thought the same. UMass thought the same. Until recently, Charlotte.

In fact, I can let the Charlotte and ODU posters explain. It took Charlotte 6 or 7 years to get theit footing. ODU is searching for their identity even to this day.

What Marshall, App State, Coastal Carolina and Liberty have achieved is NOT the norm.

I can go on and on with FCS programs that thought they would come up here and dominate right away.

I mean, come on now, I know you know better than this.

First off, throw umass out. The northeast could give a **** about college football. Umass should never have moved up and it’s just a matter of time before they pull an Idaho.

The others are all commuter schools that are and will be basketball first. Charlotte and Georgia state struggle to get 10,000 to a game where we get 25,000 as an fcs.

Like you guys, app state and ga southern, we are a football school first. The more accurate comparison for us is similar football first, traditional campus based universities, like the ones mentioned.

There is a reason why you three were successful in fcs and in fbs right out of the gate and the others weren’t. Although I do see odu getting their act together and will be solid after a few missteps.

Further, I’m still trying to figure out what liberty has accomplished. A ranking in a messed up COVID year when a bunch of schools are being left off ballots because they haven’t played? And look at who they have beaten the past few years. They have played incredible weak schedules.

The only schools that rattled the cage from day one of being FBS from FCS are the following:. Boise State, Marshall, App State, Georgia Southern, Coastal (they were a surprise). This is the last 25 years. Western Kentucky had just won another or played in the FCS champ game, moved up, lots of growing pains.

Coastal? From the beginning? 3-9, 5-7, and 5-7 in their first three years?

(11-02-2020 10:31 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  The only schools that rattled the cage from day one of being FBS from FCS are the following:. Boise State, Marshall, App State, Georgia Southern, Coastal (they were a surprise). This is the last 25 years. Western Kentucky had just won another or played in the FCS champ game, moved up, lots of growing pains.

Ayyyyee, what about Troy? Beat Mississippi State in our first year of FBS in 01, beat Marshall in 03, then beat #17 Mizzou and Marshall in 04.

Surely you Marshall fans remember Troy and the havoc that was Demarcus Ware.

Coastal came out of the gate very slow from FCS.

clt says academics matter,

(11-02-2020 07:11 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 07:06 PM)Dusky Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 07:04 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 03:47 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 03:27 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Why?

Not FBS.

Ok. Sure. That makes sense.

A league full of recent move ups wants an inferior program simply because they will have moved up a couple years before a superior one.

Good, strategic long term thinking there.

I think JMU is a solid fcs program but who on that list do you think is inferior and why?

Liberty.

There is a reason no one invited them.

What do they have we don’t except a “b” instead of a “c”?

We beat them in facilities, overall success across the entire athletic program, bigger fan base, school size and growth potential, all without baggage.

They have money. good for them. If that’s how you choose members to associate with, I wouldn’t want to be a part of that league then?

I want JMU in our conference, and would personally pick them over Liberty.

But the more time goes on, the more I think JMU made its decision when they didn't move up with App and Ga South or when they could have but declined and CCU got the spot. Now look what Coastal is doing. JMU might not have had a top 20 ranking, but they would definitely be a solid program, and bring way more to the table (or less, where applicable) than Liberty.

At this juncture, i think its hard to convince the PTB to take JMU over someone that has proven success like CCU. I think University Presidents veto LU for a "new" conference.

Hope i'm wrong though.

(11-02-2020 07:49 PM)rileylives Wrote:  I am not in favor of re-joining the MAC.

Once, there was a time I looked fondly or even up to a couple MAC schools. They've all soured in recent years, and now I envision moving forward with like minded southern based programs.

Those schools in the midwest all seem to have much different priorities than Marshall. I can't put my finger on it.

If this split never happens, I would rather start scheduling more American or Sunbelt programs than more Ohio or Miami OH.

I agree. The MAC destinations are horrible, the fans are horrible and have the Elitist attitude towards us "Hillbillys". We're better off and better served surrounding ourselves with schools that share the same vision and culture as we do.

But on a side note, did you see College Game Day making fun of Georgia State last Saturday? They were calling them Georgia Stink!!! They said they had never heard of them before LOL.

(11-02-2020 03:12 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 02:56 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  I do think that Marshall has the biggest influence right now.......for schools in the east division. That will help them form a new conference out of east division schools. I don't think UAB and USM are without their own influence but they both might want to join the new Marshall conference. But the real push, if there really is one, will be for a tighter geographic "east coastish" conference with schools like Charlotte, ODU, CCU, App St, Georgia St, Georgia Southern, and Marshall would be coveted by that group but they wouldn't be dictated too. It'll be interesting if it ever happens.

I think C-USA Teams west of the Mississippi River are happy with it and those east of it aren't happy. For Southern Miss, ODU is the furthest Eastern school from H'burg, but UTEP is 200 miles further and in our division. Add to it that UTEP has been terrible all but a handful of years and that's hard to stomach. Granted, we stink right now too.

No one talking about a Western Conference is talking about a tight grouping of schools nor "Best of the West". It's always every school in C-USA and Sunbelt from UTEP to UAB. A "Best of Rest" conference would salve our wounds over being left out of the AAC, even if it didn't make much sense. Add that to not having as much travel and escaping the current conference office? It's an easy answer.

Well for one thing I doubt you will find many UTEP fans that are truly happy with cusa. Everyone knows where our fans would prefer to be and we lost that option when the "merger" fell through. And of course the potential western conference contains most of west division members of cusa since distances are greater out west and fbs schools are fewer. Any ideal conference lineup for us would be unrealistic and would include schools currently in the mwc.

So please don't think UTEP fans are enamored with your school. We would list you in our dream conference solely based on the restricted reality of our situation, nothing more.

As for UTEP's lack of a competitive fb team, we constantly hope that's about to change and I think the corner is being turned this season with more improvement on the way.

I actually look forward to the Marshall conference happening at some point in the near future so that the leftovers, which will include UTEP, can reform and get on with it.

(11-02-2020 05:12 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 04:24 PM)Tech80 Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 11:41 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 11:20 AM)Tech80 Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 10:12 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  Don't make me stop this car!

I don't like FAU being in the west division and I am certain FAU wouldn't like it either. Replace FAU in the west with UNT. Whatever happens to the east, such as FAU then bumps someone out, is fine by me.

If (big IF) Coastal can maintain this current level of play they will be an on-going force in football. Certainly the potential of Marshall, Coastal, and Appy State, along with FAU, makes that division really tough.

In the west, I have to believe (and hope) USM returns to being the old USM we all know and hate! (just kidding about the hate...a little) and Tech and UAB would anchor a "good enough" division. But in addition to UNT, I would prefer Rice over Troy.

West: Tech, USM, UAB, ULL, UNT, Rice.

Gives us, the conference, and especially Tech, the Dallas and Houston markets which are important to our recruiting efforts.

....Now, here's a guy that's thinking before posting.......

....But I'd still prefer to have Arkansas St over ULL in this conference. It adds another state to the footprint, potentially adds the Memphis recruiting market and I also like the fact that LA Tech is the only Louisiana school in the conference. THINK, Tech80.

Love it! In my previous post I was both THINKING and NOT THINKING...

I don't care enough about the Ark State vs. ULL membership to worry over it. I could live with either one being selected. You mentioned stAte would bring the Memphis market, but ULL brings the south Louisiana market. I do believe south Louisiana plays better HS football than Memphis.

...Yeah but, we already own the South Louisiana recruiting market (save for LSU). We don't need ULL's help with that.

Disagree, or at least my definition of "owning" a market is obviously different than yours. Yep, it is true LSU does very well getting the pick of the litter from south Louisiana, but even LSU often loses a recruiting battle to out-of-state schools. You could build a very good Top 25 team from the south Louisiana kids who choose to play out-of-state. Lots of talent leaves Louisiana. If either Tech or ULL could make an in-road to landing some of those kids...wow! In fact, I do believe the #1 and #2 rushers in the nation are from Louisiana and playing out-of-state.

ULL is a good school, they have the academics covered, and are building a good athletic program as well. They are already awesome on the diamond, basketball has always been good, and now football is also legit good. Anyone who chooses to ignore/poo-pooh the Ragin Cajuns does so at his own risk.

(11-03-2020 10:19 AM)Tech80 Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 05:12 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 04:24 PM)Tech80 Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 11:41 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 11:20 AM)Tech80 Wrote:  I don't like FAU being in the west division and I am certain FAU wouldn't like it either. Replace FAU in the west with UNT. Whatever happens to the east, such as FAU then bumps someone out, is fine by me.

If (big IF) Coastal can maintain this current level of play they will be an on-going force in football. Certainly the potential of Marshall, Coastal, and Appy State, along with FAU, makes that division really tough.

In the west, I have to believe (and hope) USM returns to being the old USM we all know and hate! (just kidding about the hate...a little) and Tech and UAB would anchor a "good enough" division. But in addition to UNT, I would prefer Rice over Troy.

West: Tech, USM, UAB, ULL, UNT, Rice.

Gives us, the conference, and especially Tech, the Dallas and Houston markets which are important to our recruiting efforts.

....Now, here's a guy that's thinking before posting.......

....But I'd still prefer to have Arkansas St over ULL in this conference. It adds another state to the footprint, potentially adds the Memphis recruiting market and I also like the fact that LA Tech is the only Louisiana school in the conference. THINK, Tech80.

Love it! In my previous post I was both THINKING and NOT THINKING...

I don't care enough about the Ark State vs. ULL membership to worry over it. I could live with either one being selected. You mentioned stAte would bring the Memphis market, but ULL brings the south Louisiana market. I do believe south Louisiana plays better HS football than Memphis.

...Yeah but, we already own the South Louisiana recruiting market (save for LSU). We don't need ULL's help with that.

Disagree, or at least my definition of "owning" a market is obviously different than yours. Yep, it is true LSU does very well getting the pick of the litter from south Louisiana, but even LSU often loses a recruiting battle to out-of-state schools. You could build a very good Top 25 team from the south Louisiana kids who choose to play out-of-state. Lots of talent leaves Louisiana. If either Tech or ULL could make an in-road to landing some of those kids...wow! In fact, I do believe the #1 and #2 rushers in the nation are from Louisiana and playing out-of-state.

ULL is a good school, they have the academics covered, and are building a good athletic program as well. They are already awesome on the diamond, basketball has always been good, and now football is also legit good. Anyone who chooses to ignore/poo-pooh the Ragin Cajuns does so at his own risk.

You totally missed the point. LA Tech does not lose any south Louisiana athletes to ULL, and playing in the same conference as ULL would not improve Tech's status in south Louisiana recruiting at all. In fact, the whole notion is absurd, and might even put the advantages that we do have in south Louisiana at risk.

Conversely, LA Tech hardly recruits the Memphis area at all. Therefore adding an A-State to our conference --instead of ULL-- just might improve Tech's recruiting opportunities in that area.

(11-03-2020 10:40 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(11-03-2020 10:19 AM)Tech80 Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 05:12 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 04:24 PM)Tech80 Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 11:41 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  ....Now, here's a guy that's thinking before posting.......

....But I'd still prefer to have Arkansas St over ULL in this conference. It adds another state to the footprint, potentially adds the Memphis recruiting market and I also like the fact that LA Tech is the only Louisiana school in the conference. THINK, Tech80.

Love it! In my previous post I was both THINKING and NOT THINKING...

I don't care enough about the Ark State vs. ULL membership to worry over it. I could live with either one being selected. You mentioned stAte would bring the Memphis market, but ULL brings the south Louisiana market. I do believe south Louisiana plays better HS football than Memphis.

...Yeah but, we already own the South Louisiana recruiting market (save for LSU). We don't need ULL's help with that.

Disagree, or at least my definition of "owning" a market is obviously different than yours. Yep, it is true LSU does very well getting the pick of the litter from south Louisiana, but even LSU often loses a recruiting battle to out-of-state schools. You could build a very good Top 25 team from the south Louisiana kids who choose to play out-of-state. Lots of talent leaves Louisiana. If either Tech or ULL could make an in-road to landing some of those kids...wow! In fact, I do believe the #1 and #2 rushers in the nation are from Louisiana and playing out-of-state.

ULL is a good school, they have the academics covered, and are building a good athletic program as well. They are already awesome on the diamond, basketball has always been good, and now football is also legit good. Anyone who chooses to ignore/poo-pooh the Ragin Cajuns does so at his own risk.

You totally missed the point. LA Tech does not lose any south Louisiana athletes to ULL, and playing in the same conference as ULL would not improve Tech's status in south Louisiana recruiting at all. In fact, the whole notion is absurd, and might even put the advantages that we do have in south Louisiana at risk.

Conversely, LA Tech hardly recruits the Memphis area at all. Therefore adding an A-State to our conference --instead of ULL-- just might improve Tech's recruiting opportunities in that area.

Not that it matters but on 2020 247 7/10 UL recruits from Louisiana reported offers from La Tech.

I know maybe not all those were commitable offers but judging from the fact that UL has been better than La Tech the last few years i'm going to assume most, if not all were.

frankly, i think there might be more resistance from UL to join a conference with La Tech than the other way around,

Have to agree about Memphis high school recruiting. If you look at UM's current class, there are 5 players from South Louisiana.

https://247sports.com/college/memphis/Se...l/Commits/

Spoiler alert: Everyone in G5 either a) wants to be in a better conference or b) know that this is as good as it reasonably gets

(11-03-2020 08:36 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 07:49 PM)rileylives Wrote:  I am not in favor of re-joining the MAC.

Once, there was a time I looked fondly or even up to a couple MAC schools. They've all soured in recent years, and now I envision moving forward with like minded southern based programs.

Those schools in the midwest all seem to have much different priorities than Marshall. I can't put my finger on it.

If this split never happens, I would rather start scheduling more American or Sunbelt programs than more Ohio or Miami OH.

I agree. The MAC destinations are horrible, the fans are horrible and have the Elitist attitude towards us "Hillbillys". We're better off and better served surrounding ourselves with schools that share the same vision and culture as we do.

But on a side note, did you see College Game Day making fun of Georgia State last Saturday? They were calling them Georgia Stink!!! They said they had never heard of them before LOL.

That just shows how poor CGD is in actually being "experts" in sports. How in the word do you not know who GSU is. If nothing else, from basketball and Atlanta. I can understand them maaaaaybe not knowing they had a football team. But even thats a stretch after 10 years of playing.

(11-03-2020 10:52 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(11-03-2020 10:40 AM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(11-03-2020 10:19 AM)Tech80 Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 05:12 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 04:24 PM)Tech80 Wrote:  Love it! In my previous post I was both THINKING and NOT THINKING...

I don't care enough about the Ark State vs. ULL membership to worry over it. I could live with either one being selected. You mentioned stAte would bring the Memphis market, but ULL brings the south Louisiana market. I do believe south Louisiana plays better HS football than Memphis.

...Yeah but, we already own the South Louisiana recruiting market (save for LSU). We don't need ULL's help with that.

Disagree, or at least my definition of "owning" a market is obviously different than yours. Yep, it is true LSU does very well getting the pick of the litter from south Louisiana, but even LSU often loses a recruiting battle to out-of-state schools. You could build a very good Top 25 team from the south Louisiana kids who choose to play out-of-state. Lots of talent leaves Louisiana. If either Tech or ULL could make an in-road to landing some of those kids...wow! In fact, I do believe the #1 and #2 rushers in the nation are from Louisiana and playing out-of-state.

ULL is a good school, they have the academics covered, and are building a good athletic program as well. They are already awesome on the diamond, basketball has always been good, and now football is also legit good. Anyone who chooses to ignore/poo-pooh the Ragin Cajuns does so at his own risk.

You totally missed the point. LA Tech does not lose any south Louisiana athletes to ULL, and playing in the same conference as ULL would not improve Tech's status in south Louisiana recruiting at all. In fact, the whole notion is absurd, and might even put the advantages that we do have in south Louisiana at risk.

Conversely, LA Tech hardly recruits the Memphis area at all. Therefore adding an A-State to our conference --instead of ULL-- just might improve Tech's recruiting opportunities in that area.

Not that it matters but on 2020 247 7/10 UL recruits from Louisiana reported offers from La Tech.

I know maybe not all those were commitable offers but judging from the fact that UL has been better than La Tech the last few years i'm going to assume most, if not all were.

frankly, i think there might be more resistance from UL to join a conference with La Tech than the other way around,

What's makes you think ULL has been "better than LA Tech the last few years"? Are you smoking crack? Seriously, LA Tech has won 6 straight bowl games in a row, a fete not accomplished by any other college or university in America as of today. Furthermore, LA Tech hasn't lost to ULL in almost 25 years.

LA Tech also consistently produces more NFL draftees than ULL and everyone else in both CUSA and the Sunbelt. Since 2010, ULL has had 10 players drafted by the NFL, while LA Tech has had 16 players drafted. Since you asked, Appy has had 11 drafted. Every other school in CUSA and the Sunbelt has had 10 or less players drafted since 2010. So, serious recruits wanting to get drafted by the NFL will choose LA Tech over ULL almost every time, because it increases their chances.

And no, Skip Holtz --whom I'm no tremendous fan of despite his good W-L record-- fills up most of his recruiting classes very early each year. A lot of those kids you mentioned were "left hanging" and lost their offers from LA Tech because a better player committed to Tech before they did. You really just don't know what you're talking about, so you really shouldn't even be commenting.

(11-02-2020 07:28 PM)Dusky Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 07:11 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 07:06 PM)Dusky Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 07:04 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(11-02-2020 03:47 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  Not FBS.

Ok. Sure. That makes sense.

A league full of recent move ups wants an inferior program simply because they will have moved up a couple years before a superior one.

Good, strategic long term thinking there.

I think JMU is a solid fcs program but who on that list do you think is inferior and why?

Liberty.

There is a reason no one invited them.

What do they have we don’t except a “b” instead of a “c”?

We beat them in facilities, overall success across the entire athletic program, bigger fan base, school size and growth potential, all without baggage.

They have money. good for them. If that’s how you choose members to associate with, I wouldn’t want to be a part of that league then?

You should probably drop the attitude since you are the one that chimed in here.

I don’t believe you beat them in facilities or fan base or growth potential but overall success absolutely. I find it hard to reason why an fcs team has a better argument for a realignment in a new fbs conference (as silly as this entire thread is) over an existing fbs independent. Isn’t this just an anti Liberty thing? Because if no there are a couple others you could have pointed out as well.

because they are barely accredited IF AT ALL. That should have been enough. Why would a conference shame itself by inviting a diploma mill school??? Do you think it is an anti-Liberty thing or anti-fraud thing? it should be the latter.

Yes, it should be JMU over Liberty any day of the week and twice on Tuesday.