Goat - I don't prefer to be the board ******, but I do like to try and keep things in perspective. I love TU athletics, bottom line - like a lot of other people that post here do, but there are a lot of people that are totalitarian in their views on TU, on Judy, on JP, on anything that doesn't conform with the opinions of some main posters and people with an 'inside' slant.
My take on JP from the other board that sadly will probably be out of business soon... FUNNY - one of the board admins replied to me with 'excellent post' yet I was blacklisted... WD is a little sensitive it seems.
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the players perception on what is going on with this team and with the coaching. How do the players and coaches get along? I realize this is putting you in a compromising position and perhaps you would want to pass on this. Perhaps, you don't know.
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Originally posted by TULSAFAN:
the players perception on what is going on with this team and with the coaching. How do the players and coaches get along? I realize this is putting you in a compromising position and perhaps you would want to pass on this. Perhaps, you don't know.
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Just read the thread on the old board named "are we reloaded" or something like that.
One of Tufan's post says basically, We "reloaded" the players. We have the players. Now...what's left?
Then someone posted something about JP being a great rep and Tufan's reponse was something like being a great rep and a good coach do not always go hand in hand.
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to read between lines. Better hurry up tho and read it before the cat is out of bag and the thread is deleted.
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...to get an answer from TUFAN anytime soon.
I read on the Boise board that she left for Turkey this morning. To see said KJ i presume.
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It could just be the fact that some people might have expected JP to magically transform a decent cast of undersized college players into first round draft picks... could somebody grab a magic wand for JP please? Thats all we really need - a little magic. Maybe a potion to make a listed 6'7" player TRULY stand 6'7"? Maybe a magical charm to change a jersey number into ppg? Maybe a lock of hair to send a few people from the past couple years to the big league instead of Europe?
I'm not saying JP is the best coach in the world by any means - but I think some people make it apparent how 'objective' they are about some stances.
My take on JP - people are griping about this year - ok, what did anyone expect? I and a few others said at the beginning of the year this would be a rebuilding year and we'd be back strong next year - we all got blasted for it. I didn't want this year to be a rebuilding year, but it is - I'd rather us be ranked #1 and undefeated - but there are always ups and downs. We lost 5 sr's - we have 3 players back that got any time at all - and a cast of relative unknowns.
People gripe about recruiting - lets keep this in perspective - Tulsa has never in recent history signed a mcd's AA - we've always signed marginal players, or hidden gems or diamonds in the rough if you prefer - and we've excelled through our coaching. Look at Tubby Smith - people gripe about his recruiting every year, but the man can flat out coach. This year is not the tell all for JP's coaching ability - I think next year is. Maybe even the year after - give the man a chance to have his full cast on the court.
Conversely - my problem with JP at hiring was the fact that ALL the players were publicly supporting him for the job - he was buddies w/ them - the guy they could go to. I don't see that as being a redeeming quality for a D-1 coach - most young men need a boot in the bottom to get going, and I just didn't see JP back then as being the in your face disciplinarian like Self was - I had players tell me Self was a flat out a-hole in practice, but he got a response - he got them to hustle and play hard. I don't know if JP has a problem here or not - haven't been to a practice - but that is how I saw it back then, and from the way the team has been playing so soft, it seems that might be the case now. That by the way is just my opinion - I won't claim to have any inside knowledge of this where I honestly don't.
Bottom line - I don't like losing - I hated losing to OU and I hated losing more to ORU - but this is going to be a tough year. Honestly, we'll be lucky to make the NIT - and no I don't think that is OK - but it is fact and as a fan you can either jump ship now or you can support the team. I'm going to keep supporting this team.
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Excellent post, B&G! And you may be on target on JP being too much "Mr. Nice Guy" at this point. I'm sure he's working against his personality type in trying to toughen up, but I think he's addressing that issue. I still believe this team will (as JP's teams seem always to do) play its best ball when it counts - in March!
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So funny that apologist equate being unhappy with jumping ship. I haven't read one thread where someone said, fire JP, this team sucks, I am not happy etc. where the person said screw this team I am not supporting it.
The fact remains that someone that is dating an ex-player has made comments that point to JP not being a good coach. That is fact and you can try and spin it anyway you want, but that doesn't change FACT!
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I posted earlier in the week or last week for her to go ahead and spit it out - whatever her take is on the situation, but she not only won't reply to me, she won't reply to that subject.
I think if someone is going to spout insider info and that there is a specific problem, they should back it up. Otherwise, those posts are just as worthy to be deleted as any other.
I hardly consider myself an apologist by the way - I'm nto happy with the teams performance right now - but calling for the coaches head when there is no way to know what is going on for sure is premature.
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And acting like someone that questions JP is somehow jumping ship is presumptuous. I think I am going to do both. You do realize that is possible right?
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I can tell you when JP was an assistant to BS he was not "Mr Nice Guy" on the court. BS looked to him for help on the court more than the other assistants. He apparently took over that role when Buzz was the coach and has kept it since then with the players. Now, with all of the young players, it is time for him to be more of assertive with his players to set the tone for their careers. He is not there to "get along with the players." A coach, like a boss, has to seperate emotional feelings sometimes to get the job done. If the players don't like it then they are free to go elsewhere. Like it or not, this is the way it is in D1.
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Some posters apparently do not know John Phillips. You can be a great coach and not be an A--=hole. He is one of the most competive people I know, he hates to lose, but he is even tempered, very fair D-1 coach. His players hate to disappoint him, and play hard for time on the floor. Does he make mistakes? Sure he does, but you cannot be successful in life unless you do make mistakes, and learn from them. Does he know about this board, sure he does, does your comments concern him, sure they do, is he going to change his coaching style, Hell No!!
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By doing both are you being presumptuous AND jumping ship?I may be wrong, but it sounds that way to me.
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I don't think there is anything wrong with questioning things - I think a healthy dose of public/fan base discontent is healthy from time to time - it certainly cures complacency! If there is an issue, I think JP will get it corrected - I am sure he and the team are aware of the growing unrest, and I hope they're taking their jobs seriously enough to work hard and right the ship.
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B&G great post.
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When JP was first hired, somebody talked to Self about the hiring. One of his quotes was "John Phillips will be a better coach in 3 years than he is now." This is year three, however years 1 and 2 he had a stable full of experienced studs. That made it easier. This is his first team with a bunch of younger inexperienced players and I believe he is encountering problems that he hasn't encountered before. I believe he will learn and get better and the team will learn and get better. This may not turn out to be as good a year as we all hoped but I'm going to give him and the team to get better. Even if this turns out to be a down year, I think next year could be great and I will be patient.
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cannot be said and it does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out either. (BTW-- this post is not just in response to you coppell, but
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