If we're not including the UNC family ties I'd go with...

Oats
Drew
Miller
Moton
Davis

I saw yesterday where Bubba said he prefers to hire Head Coaches so that probably isn't a good sign for Hubert. I think Oats is really impressive and has already accomplished a lot in a relatively short time as a college coach. Drew has been around for awhile now, he's recruited NC well and what he's done at Baylor given what he took over is pretty remarkable. I'm a Moton fan and it would be cool to see him be involved but I doubt it. At the end of the day I think Wes makes the most sense to if they're going to keep it in family and Oats makes the most sense if it's best available. It would be hard to mess this hire up in my opinion.

(04-02-2021 08:55 AM)Gary Miller Wrote:  If we're not including the UNC family ties I'd go with...

Oats
Drew
Miller
Moton
Davis

I saw yesterday where Bubba said he prefers to hire Head Coaches so that probably isn't a good sign for Hubert. I think Oats is really impressive and has already accomplished a lot in a relatively short time as a college coach. Drew has been around for awhile now, he's recruited NC well and what he's done at Baylor given what he took over is pretty remarkable. I'm a Moton fan and it would be cool to see him be involved but I doubt it. At the end of the day I think Wes makes the most sense to if they're going to keep it in family and Oats makes the most sense if it's best available. It would be hard to mess this hire up in my opinion.

What Oats has accomplished is even more impressive to me because it's at a school where hoops is clearly second fiddle.

(04-01-2021 04:47 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  

(04-01-2021 03:55 PM)B_Hawk06 Wrote:  Yeah, I don't think Stevens is a likely candidate unless for some crazy reason he reaches out to them.

I've always been a NBA fan. I know what Boston expects of its teams and coaches, championships. Nothing less. It's the same way for the Lakers who I grew up a fan of, and still am. The fans and organization expect championships. ECFs or WCFs aren't the goal.

Still though, I was just curious as to your thinking since it was pretty matter of fact.

I’m confident that he’s not on the hot seat. If he took the UNC job it would be because he has a serious interest in getting back into college, which I also don’t think is the case.

He might be ok right this second but I have spent quite a bit of time in Boston and it can change over night. If they lose in the 1st round again he will most likely get fired and he knows how it works there-guaranteed. If Carolina reaches out he will take that call ,not saying he would accept but he will listen if they call.

Early indication is that UNC is leaning towards "keeping it in the family" with the front runner being Davis. As a UNC hater, i'd LOVE it if they hired someone with zero HC experience. Could be Doherty part 2. So many good options out there with hC expreience.

(04-05-2021 07:21 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Early indication is that UNC is leaning towards "keeping it in the family" with the front runner being Davis. As a UNC hater, i'd LOVE it if they hired someone with zero HC experience. Could be Doherty part 2. So many good options out there with hC expreience.

Cunningham has done a wonderful job of keeping the process internal. All of the speculation that is out there seems to be as much of a shot in the dark as your average Carolina fan, Katz included. That isn't a shot at Andy, but I've read his stuff and it is pretty vague.

As the AD, I think you look at established winners. Who does that truly included today? Few, Self, Wright, Stevens, and Bennett...Carolina would never hire Bill Self; zero interest from Carolina and that is probably true from Self's perspective as well. Few and Wright have built their own legacy and I assume neither have any interest; the ceiling at UNC compared to UVA is significantly higher, but pulling Bennett from UVA is also unlikely. Stevens is the only candidate there and his interest, IMO, would have to be entirely dependent on his unhappiness in the NBA. I think it is safe to assume none of those guys are the one.

Your next tier is Drew, Holtman and Oats. Any of the three would be fine, but going outside of the family has risks. The connection to Coach Smith is important and whoever comes in will have to embrace that rather than trying to make their own mark. My perspective is that Drew and Oats would struggle with that aspect. Even with those three, especially with Holtman and Oats, the pressure that they'll feel at UNC is something they're not prepared for. Bama fans are still ecstatic about this season...I'm still pissed that Carolina lost to Georgetown in 2007.

I think each of those three comes with risk that is similar to the risk of hiring from within the Carolina family...so at that point, why not go with someone with a connection to the godfather?

Doherty 2.0 is an easy analogy, but it lacks depth. Doherty biggest short coming was emotional maturity. Both Smith and Williams told Baddour he wasn't ready. He also inherited failed recruiting classes from Gut, but still killed it with his first recruiting class. If Williams is recommending Davis now, then he's already a leg up on Doherty. There are obvious risks if it is Hubert, but there is a lot to like there also.

The better Doherty comparison is Stackhouse. Baddour screwed up the search that resulted with Doherty. Larry Brown wanted the job.

(04-05-2021 08:26 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 07:21 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Early indication is that UNC is leaning towards "keeping it in the family" with the front runner being Davis. As a UNC hater, i'd LOVE it if they hired someone with zero HC experience. Could be Doherty part 2. So many good options out there with hC expreience.

Cunningham has done a wonderful job of keeping the process internal. All of the speculation that is out there seems to be as much of a shot in the dark as your average Carolina fan, Katz included. That isn't a shot at Andy, but I've read his stuff and it is pretty vague.

As the AD, I think you look at established winners. Who does that truly included today? Few, Self, Wright, Stevens, and Bennett...Carolina would never hire Bill Self; zero interest from Carolina and that is probably true from Self's perspective as well. Few and Wright have built their own legacy and I assume neither have any interest; the ceiling at UNC compared to UVA is significantly higher, but pulling Bennett from UVA is also unlikely. Stevens is the only candidate there and his interest, IMO, would have to be entirely dependent on his unhappiness in the NBA. I think it is safe to assume none of those guys are the one.

Your next tier is Drew, Holtman and Oats. Any of the three would be fine, but going outside of the family has risks. The connection to Coach Smith is important and whoever comes in will have to embrace that rather than trying to make their own mark. My perspective is that Drew and Oats would struggle with that aspect. Even with those three, especially with Holtman and Oats, the pressure that they'll feel at UNC is something they're not prepared for. Bama fans are still ecstatic about this season...I'm still pissed that Carolina lost to Georgetown in 2007.

I think each of those three comes with risk that is similar to the risk of hiring from within the Carolina family...so at that point, why not go with someone with a connection to the godfather?

Doherty 2.0 is an easy analogy, but it lacks depth. Doherty biggest short coming was emotional maturity. Both Smith and Williams told Baddour he wasn't ready. He also inherited failed recruiting classes from Gut, but still killed it with his first recruiting class. If Williams is recommending Davis now, then he's already a leg up on Doherty. There are obvious risks if it is Hubert, but there is a lot to like there also.

The better Doherty comparison is Stackhouse. Baddour screwed up the search that resulted with Doherty. Larry Brown wanted the job.

While i get that UNC is an elite school and job, i think you are over shooting where they are currently. The last few years have not been good. He turned it on end of the year and finished ok, but then failed in the ACC tourney and NCAA. Last year, if there was a tourney they'd have missed.
And the speculation on who they have interviewed i actually read in local articles.

(04-05-2021 08:37 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 08:26 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 07:21 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Early indication is that UNC is leaning towards "keeping it in the family" with the front runner being Davis. As a UNC hater, i'd LOVE it if they hired someone with zero HC experience. Could be Doherty part 2. So many good options out there with hC expreience.

Cunningham has done a wonderful job of keeping the process internal. All of the speculation that is out there seems to be as much of a shot in the dark as your average Carolina fan, Katz included. That isn't a shot at Andy, but I've read his stuff and it is pretty vague.

As the AD, I think you look at established winners. Who does that truly included today? Few, Self, Wright, Stevens, and Bennett...Carolina would never hire Bill Self; zero interest from Carolina and that is probably true from Self's perspective as well. Few and Wright have built their own legacy and I assume neither have any interest; the ceiling at UNC compared to UVA is significantly higher, but pulling Bennett from UVA is also unlikely. Stevens is the only candidate there and his interest, IMO, would have to be entirely dependent on his unhappiness in the NBA. I think it is safe to assume none of those guys are the one.

Your next tier is Drew, Holtman and Oats. Any of the three would be fine, but going outside of the family has risks. The connection to Coach Smith is important and whoever comes in will have to embrace that rather than trying to make their own mark. My perspective is that Drew and Oats would struggle with that aspect. Even with those three, especially with Holtman and Oats, the pressure that they'll feel at UNC is something they're not prepared for. Bama fans are still ecstatic about this season...I'm still pissed that Carolina lost to Georgetown in 2007.

I think each of those three comes with risk that is similar to the risk of hiring from within the Carolina family...so at that point, why not go with someone with a connection to the godfather?

Doherty 2.0 is an easy analogy, but it lacks depth. Doherty biggest short coming was emotional maturity. Both Smith and Williams told Baddour he wasn't ready. He also inherited failed recruiting classes from Gut, but still killed it with his first recruiting class. If Williams is recommending Davis now, then he's already a leg up on Doherty. There are obvious risks if it is Hubert, but there is a lot to like there also.

The better Doherty comparison is Stackhouse. Baddour screwed up the search that resulted with Doherty. Larry Brown wanted the job.

While i get that UNC is an elite school and job, i think you are over shooting where they are currently. The last few years have not been good. He turned it on end of the year and finished ok, but then failed in the ACC tourney and NCAA. Last year, if there was a tourney they'd have missed.
And the speculation on who they have interviewed i actually read in local articles.

It is a top 3 job regardless of the season they're coming off of and they've been to the finals in 2 of the past 5 NCAA tournaments. Where Carolina is in CBB hasn't changed. There are only like 10-15 guys in CBB or the NBA that wouldn't entertain being the HC at Carolina if Cunningham reached out.

If you're taking exception to the ceiling of UVA compared to Carolina comment, then you're just wrong. The sustained success at Carolina is unparalleled and UVA isn't in the same park.

(04-05-2021 08:46 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 08:37 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 08:26 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 07:21 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Early indication is that UNC is leaning towards "keeping it in the family" with the front runner being Davis. As a UNC hater, i'd LOVE it if they hired someone with zero HC experience. Could be Doherty part 2. So many good options out there with hC expreience.

Cunningham has done a wonderful job of keeping the process internal. All of the speculation that is out there seems to be as much of a shot in the dark as your average Carolina fan, Katz included. That isn't a shot at Andy, but I've read his stuff and it is pretty vague.

As the AD, I think you look at established winners. Who does that truly included today? Few, Self, Wright, Stevens, and Bennett...Carolina would never hire Bill Self; zero interest from Carolina and that is probably true from Self's perspective as well. Few and Wright have built their own legacy and I assume neither have any interest; the ceiling at UNC compared to UVA is significantly higher, but pulling Bennett from UVA is also unlikely. Stevens is the only candidate there and his interest, IMO, would have to be entirely dependent on his unhappiness in the NBA. I think it is safe to assume none of those guys are the one.

Your next tier is Drew, Holtman and Oats. Any of the three would be fine, but going outside of the family has risks. The connection to Coach Smith is important and whoever comes in will have to embrace that rather than trying to make their own mark. My perspective is that Drew and Oats would struggle with that aspect. Even with those three, especially with Holtman and Oats, the pressure that they'll feel at UNC is something they're not prepared for. Bama fans are still ecstatic about this season...I'm still pissed that Carolina lost to Georgetown in 2007.

I think each of those three comes with risk that is similar to the risk of hiring from within the Carolina family...so at that point, why not go with someone with a connection to the godfather?

Doherty 2.0 is an easy analogy, but it lacks depth. Doherty biggest short coming was emotional maturity. Both Smith and Williams told Baddour he wasn't ready. He also inherited failed recruiting classes from Gut, but still killed it with his first recruiting class. If Williams is recommending Davis now, then he's already a leg up on Doherty. There are obvious risks if it is Hubert, but there is a lot to like there also.

The better Doherty comparison is Stackhouse. Baddour screwed up the search that resulted with Doherty. Larry Brown wanted the job.

While i get that UNC is an elite school and job, i think you are over shooting where they are currently. The last few years have not been good. He turned it on end of the year and finished ok, but then failed in the ACC tourney and NCAA. Last year, if there was a tourney they'd have missed.
And the speculation on who they have interviewed i actually read in local articles.

It is a top 3 job regardless of the season they're coming off of and they've been to the finals in 2 of the past 5 NCAA tournaments. Where Carolina is in CBB hasn't changed. There are only like 10-15 guys in CBB or the NBA that wouldn't entertain being the HC at Carolina if Cunningham reach out.

If you're taking exception to the ceiling of UVA compared to Carolina comment, then you're just wrong. The sustained success at Carolina is unparalleled.

I honestly think Bennet's system at UNC wouldn't fly anyways. Let's face it, it's not a sexy enough style of basketball. I was merely stating that whomever it is isn't taking over a turd like you mentioned Doherty did, but, it's also not in it's current state a well oiled machine either. That's all i was getting at. Even with my hatred, i can't debate that's it's not a top job, it is.
But given that, it is a top job, you can certainly do better than an assistant with zero HC experience. I'd argue that while Oats is certainly new on the scene Drew has had sustained success at Baylor. He has to be a tier one. He's won 20 + in 7 of 8 years there and in the year he didn't he won 19. I am not going to do the math but i'd bet his record over that time frame is very similar too, maybe even better than Roy.

My personal opinion is staying in the family if its a Roy Williams coach, is a mistake. While Carolina will always get recruits, going with a strategy of relying on 5* players is not going to end well, especially in this ever changing landscape of needing immediate playing time. The portal, while it helps teams like Carolina to fix mistakes quickly, it also lends high turnover of those "failed" recruits. Carolina really needs someone who has at least average X's and O's if they want to get back to the top. Out athleting everyone is becoming harder and harder, and why it truly was a perfect time for Roy to call it quits before he hurt his career any more.

(04-05-2021 08:51 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I honestly think Bennet's system at UNC wouldn't fly anyways. Let's face it, it's not a sexy enough style of basketball. I was merely stating that whomever it is isn't taking over a turd like you mentioned Doherty did, but, it's also not in it's current state a well oiled machine either. That's all i was getting at. Even with my hatred, i can't debate that's it's not a top job, it is.
But given that, it is a top job, you can certainly do better than an assistant with zero HC experience. I'd argue that while Oats is certainly new on the scene Drew has had sustained success at Baylor. He has to be a tier one. He's won 20 + in 7 of 8 years there and in the year he didn't he won 19. I am not going to do the math but i'd bet his record over that time frame is very similar too, maybe even better than Roy.

Sorry Hoops. I'm probably jumpy...my bad. A valid point about Bennett's system. There would definitely some push back within the fan base to him, but not from myself. I have a lot of respect for him, and I think he'd play a little faster with the talent he could get a Carolina.

I agree that hiring a coach without experience is a risk for Carolina's profile. I'm not as familiar with what Drew has done at Baylor, but I can see a case for him being top tier. I'm not opposed to him.

(04-05-2021 09:01 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 08:51 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  I honestly think Bennet's system at UNC wouldn't fly anyways. Let's face it, it's not a sexy enough style of basketball. I was merely stating that whomever it is isn't taking over a turd like you mentioned Doherty did, but, it's also not in it's current state a well oiled machine either. That's all i was getting at. Even with my hatred, i can't debate that's it's not a top job, it is.
But given that, it is a top job, you can certainly do better than an assistant with zero HC experience. I'd argue that while Oats is certainly new on the scene Drew has had sustained success at Baylor. He has to be a tier one. He's won 20 + in 7 of 8 years there and in the year he didn't he won 19. I am not going to do the math but i'd bet his record over that time frame is very similar too, maybe even better than Roy.

Sorry Hoops. I'm probably jumpy...my bad. A valid point about Bennett's system. There would definitely some push back within the fan base to him, but not from myself. I have a lot of respect for him, and I think he'd play a little faster with the talent he could get a Carolina.

I agree that hiring a coach without experience is a risk for Carolina's profile. I'm not as familiar with what Drew has done at Baylor, but I can see a case for him being top tier. I'm not opposed to him.

All good, you are probably not used to having a civil discussion with me regarding UNC haha

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports...64439.html

Sounds like it's a done deal.
As a Hater, i LOVE this hire. I don't think he will be very successful.
You have the world at your fingertips and you hire a guy with Zero HC experience. If this fails, I'd think the AD would have to go. Or did he buy him some time with football getting back on the map?

Not surprised but also agree, they could have and should have done better.

(04-05-2021 02:21 PM)dan10 Wrote:  Not surprised but also agree, they could have and should have done better.

Few, Wright and Stevens uninterested, and didn't reach out to Bennett.

We'll see what Hubert has to offer. There are obvious reasons to like him and obvious reasons to be concerned.

- emphasizes 3pt shooting
- learned from Dean, Roy, Don Nelson and Pat Riley
- deep NBA connections that have already paid off on the recruiting trail
- likely to retain most of our current roster

(04-05-2021 02:14 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports...64439.html

Sounds like it's a done deal.
As a Hater, i LOVE this hire. I don't think he will be very successful.
You have the world at your fingertips and you hire a guy with Zero HC experience. If this fails, I'd think the AD would have to go. Or did he buy him some time with football getting back on the map?

The biggest risk for Bubba was hiring outside of the family. Olympic sports at Carolina are doing great, and Carolina football is in the best shape it's been since 1998. I don't think Davis failing would lead to Cunningham being fired. If he'd hired someone outside the family and they failed, he'd be gone with them. Every Carolina player interviewed wanted it to stay in the family and Roy personally recommended Davis. Bubba is pretty well insulated.

(04-05-2021 03:08 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 02:21 PM)dan10 Wrote:  Not surprised but also agree, they could have and should have done better.

Few, Wright and Stevens uninterested, and didn't reach out to Bennett.

We'll see what Hubert has to offer. There are obvious reasons to like him and obvious reasons to be concerned.

- emphasizes 3pt shooting
- learned from Dean, Roy, Don Nelson and Pat Riley
- deep NBA connections that have already paid off on the recruiting trail
- likely to retain most of our current roster

They never reached to Few,Wright or Stevens-it never got that far. I think they should have but it never happened.

(04-05-2021 03:11 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 02:14 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports...64439.html

Sounds like it's a done deal.
As a Hater, i LOVE this hire. I don't think he will be very successful.
You have the world at your fingertips and you hire a guy with Zero HC experience. If this fails, I'd think the AD would have to go. Or did he buy him some time with football getting back on the map?

The biggest risk for Bubba was hiring outside of the family. Olympic sports at Carolina are doing great, and Carolina football is in the best shape it's been since 1998. I don't think Davis failing would lead to Cunningham being fired. If he'd hired someone outside the family and they failed, he'd be gone with them. Every Carolina player interviewed wanted it to stay in the family and Roy personally recommended Davis. Bubba is pretty well insulated.

Was just having a convo with someone else about Bubba, you might be right. As far as hires go, he missed on Fedora, Football looks good this time so far, and Davis we shall see. But let's face it, his real insulation comes from the fact he was able to get UNC out of major mid numbing cheating sanctions with a mere slap on the wrist. That was, and will always be his biggest victory. If you hire the coach of a team that is in the national Ship, in Drew, first of all it would be hard to miss IMO, secondly if it did i wouldn't think you'd get fired. Family or not, hiring someone with Zero HC experience for one of the biggest jobs in college hoops is silly. Put very little stock in players sticking up for him, he's a former player, they always stick together.
Good luck, being a hater I hope it fails like i anticipate it will. Time will tell

(04-05-2021 03:31 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 03:11 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 02:14 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports...64439.html

Sounds like it's a done deal.
As a Hater, i LOVE this hire. I don't think he will be very successful.
You have the world at your fingertips and you hire a guy with Zero HC experience. If this fails, I'd think the AD would have to go. Or did he buy him some time with football getting back on the map?

The biggest risk for Bubba was hiring outside of the family. Olympic sports at Carolina are doing great, and Carolina football is in the best shape it's been since 1998. I don't think Davis failing would lead to Cunningham being fired. If he'd hired someone outside the family and they failed, he'd be gone with them. Every Carolina player interviewed wanted it to stay in the family and Roy personally recommended Davis. Bubba is pretty well insulated.

Family or not, hiring someone with Zero HC experience for one of the biggest jobs in college hoops is silly. Put very little stock in players sticking up for him, he's a former player, they always stick together.

You don't understand the family aspect at Carolina. This isn't Carolina players defending the hire. Carolina players were pushing for the hire. That isn't a subtle difference. There were differences of opinion on which former player, but all wanted a former player.

FWIW, I don't think Bubba missed on Fedora. He led Carolina through a never ending investigation and represented Carolina well. His 2016 team was really freaking good, but for whatever reason, he couldn't build off of it. He didn't work out long-term, but he wasn't a complete bust. Carolina football was is disarray 3 years ago and his hiring of Mack Brown was almost universally laughed at.

Trying to analyze Hubert Davis day 1 is foolish. The reason to love and hate it are obvious to all.

(04-05-2021 05:12 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 03:31 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 03:11 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 02:14 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports...64439.html

Sounds like it's a done deal.
As a Hater, i LOVE this hire. I don't think he will be very successful.
You have the world at your fingertips and you hire a guy with Zero HC experience. If this fails, I'd think the AD would have to go. Or did he buy him some time with football getting back on the map?

The biggest risk for Bubba was hiring outside of the family. Olympic sports at Carolina are doing great, and Carolina football is in the best shape it's been since 1998. I don't think Davis failing would lead to Cunningham being fired. If he'd hired someone outside the family and they failed, he'd be gone with them. Every Carolina player interviewed wanted it to stay in the family and Roy personally recommended Davis. Bubba is pretty well insulated.

Family or not, hiring someone with Zero HC experience for one of the biggest jobs in college hoops is silly. Put very little stock in players sticking up for him, he's a former player, they always stick together.

You don't understand the family aspect at Carolina. This isn't Carolina players defending the hire. Carolina players were pushing for the hire. That isn't a subtle difference. There were differences of opinion on which former player, but all wanted a former player.

FWIW, I don't think Bubba missed on Fedora. He led Carolina through a never ending investigation and represented Carolina well. His 2016 team was really freaking good, but for whatever reason, he couldn't build off of it. He didn't work out long-term, but he wasn't a complete bust. Carolina football was is disarray 3 years ago and his hiring of Mack Brown was almost universally laughed at.

Trying to analyze Hubert Davis day 1 is foolish. The reason to love and hate it are obvious to all.

Since you are a UNC fan, curious what you would consider “successful” over the next five seasons? Sweet 16s, final fours, just making the NCAA tournament?

(04-05-2021 08:04 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 05:12 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 03:31 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 03:11 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(04-05-2021 02:14 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports...64439.html

Sounds like it's a done deal.
As a Hater, i LOVE this hire. I don't think he will be very successful.
You have the world at your fingertips and you hire a guy with Zero HC experience. If this fails, I'd think the AD would have to go. Or did he buy him some time with football getting back on the map?

The biggest risk for Bubba was hiring outside of the family. Olympic sports at Carolina are doing great, and Carolina football is in the best shape it's been since 1998. I don't think Davis failing would lead to Cunningham being fired. If he'd hired someone outside the family and they failed, he'd be gone with them. Every Carolina player interviewed wanted it to stay in the family and Roy personally recommended Davis. Bubba is pretty well insulated.

Family or not, hiring someone with Zero HC experience for one of the biggest jobs in college hoops is silly. Put very little stock in players sticking up for him, he's a former player, they always stick together.

You don't understand the family aspect at Carolina. This isn't Carolina players defending the hire. Carolina players were pushing for the hire. That isn't a subtle difference. There were differences of opinion on which former player, but all wanted a former player.

FWIW, I don't think Bubba missed on Fedora. He led Carolina through a never ending investigation and represented Carolina well. His 2016 team was really freaking good, but for whatever reason, he couldn't build off of it. He didn't work out long-term, but he wasn't a complete bust. Carolina football was is disarray 3 years ago and his hiring of Mack Brown was almost universally laughed at.

Trying to analyze Hubert Davis day 1 is foolish. The reason to love and hate it are obvious to all.

Since you are a UNC fan, curious what you would consider “successful” over the next five seasons? Sweet 16s, final fours, just making the NCAA tournament?

Interesting question. Gut was always a short-term solution and Doherty was famously bad so this is new. He’s replacing a legend, so there will obviously be a step back, but I don’t think Carolina’s expectations change significantly. Next 5 years: 5 tournament appearances, 2 S16 and 1 Final Four.